#Recap Eden Member group, 7 days Sunday-Saturday 2022-07-09
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#Author_Comments : Elections Saturday 9th the primary topic through the week. Congrats for election completion, some glitches and cumbersome registration but overall a good and credible result.
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#Eden_future : 2022-07-02 :
--M1-- : "Hey EDEN community! The Bees will be running in the upcoming election. We feel the best way to increase membership is by expanding the focus of EDEN to become a crypto networking group."
--M2-- : "You have all my support for this on next Saturday."
--M3-- : " This is a very creative approach that is certainly worth exploring! I also really like that you've incorporated the Eden Member Services/Circle thing into your proposal."
--M2-- : "My next Saturday pitch is aligned on marketing circle & edu circle. "
--M4-- : "" I love the idea of Eden as a network of crypto workers. The way the ENF has used open standards and best practices to identify needs and then award contracts for work, Eden can do something similar; forming circles with goals, and then building consensus on how to reward workers.
--M1-- : "I also imagine it as non-crypto workers looking to learn more, find mentors, etc"
--M4-- : "All skillsets, exactly. A 'real people network' with something for everyone."
--M5-- : "It's a great idea! Hope it gains traction, we could see people from all blockchains joining and collaborating here."
--M6-- : "I have been working on the same concept for a few years now and refining ideas around a new type of professional networking community. I’d much prefer collaborating rather than launch 2 competing networks."
--M7-- : "If i get selected, I will run for CD on a premise that my team can build and run an opensource telegram bot that will help distribute people in pre-made telegram groups, where they just join the video chat and click record. On politics side, i will support ad-hoc just giving money to person/group that; . . ."
""I will not give money and will generally argue against any semi-permanent positions (the circles or similar ideas). Of course none of my business if other CDs still want to finance that from their allocations.""
--M6-- : "I think it's good to have opposing views. That should lead to an effective middle ground."
#Eden_future : 2022-07-08 - Eden & EdenFractal synced? Feedback sought!
--M1-- : "A vision for how to integrate EdenFractal and Eden, avoid legal issues that come from being a typical "DAO" and influence EOS BP selection: https://peakd.com/eos/@sim31/my-vision-for-edenoneos . EdenFractal is a key peace of this vision. Looking for feedback."
--M2-- : "I think there are parts of fractally that are complementary to Eden, but see far more power in the organizational structure of Eden, however incomplete. However, that doesn't mean we can't fill in the gaps and continue building on his initial work here, taking from what he's building in Fractally."
--M3-- : "Is the idea of having weekly fractally style meetings in Eden still on the table? Maybe we can work something out. I think it would lead to more engagement of the members here."
#Eden_elections : 2022-07-05 :
--M1-- : "How does @everyone feel about limiting CD terms to no succession, no repeats? So a member can run again, just not 2 terms in a row. I'm going on record as for this. Hope every current CD will join me..."
--M2-- : "I suggest no as our current consensus protocol is designed to prevent collusion/corruption as it is. If someone is deserving as deemed by the community, then why force others into the role who may be less desirable or qualified? This isn’t designed to be “everyone gets a turn”. It’s designed to be a meritocracy."
--M3-- : "I'm a fan of less is more when it comes to rules like this. If we're to trust the process then as suggested, the election itself would limit terms if required."
--M4-- : "I agree, you will prob see it happen naturally, but adding it to bylines could be something for the next cds to ponder."
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#Author_Comments : Elections Saturday 9th the primary topic through the week. Congrats for election completion, some glitches and cumbersome registration but overall a good and credible result.
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#Eden_future : 2022-07-02 :
--M1-- : "Hey EDEN community! The Bees will be running in the upcoming election. We feel the best way to increase membership is by expanding the focus of EDEN to become a crypto networking group."
--M2-- : "You have all my support for this on next Saturday."
--M3-- : " This is a very creative approach that is certainly worth exploring! I also really like that you've incorporated the Eden Member Services/Circle thing into your proposal."
--M2-- : "My next Saturday pitch is aligned on marketing circle & edu circle. "
--M4-- : "" I love the idea of Eden as a network of crypto workers. The way the ENF has used open standards and best practices to identify needs and then award contracts for work, Eden can do something similar; forming circles with goals, and then building consensus on how to reward workers.
--M1-- : "I also imagine it as non-crypto workers looking to learn more, find mentors, etc"
--M4-- : "All skillsets, exactly. A 'real people network' with something for everyone."
--M5-- : "It's a great idea! Hope it gains traction, we could see people from all blockchains joining and collaborating here."
--M6-- : "I have been working on the same concept for a few years now and refining ideas around a new type of professional networking community. I’d much prefer collaborating rather than launch 2 competing networks."
--M7-- : "If i get selected, I will run for CD on a premise that my team can build and run an opensource telegram bot that will help distribute people in pre-made telegram groups, where they just join the video chat and click record. On politics side, i will support ad-hoc just giving money to person/group that; . . ."
""I will not give money and will generally argue against any semi-permanent positions (the circles or similar ideas). Of course none of my business if other CDs still want to finance that from their allocations.""
--M6-- : "I think it's good to have opposing views. That should lead to an effective middle ground."
#Eden_future : 2022-07-08 - Eden & EdenFractal synced? Feedback sought!
--M1-- : "A vision for how to integrate EdenFractal and Eden, avoid legal issues that come from being a typical "DAO" and influence EOS BP selection: https://peakd.com/eos/@sim31/my-vision-for-edenoneos . EdenFractal is a key peace of this vision. Looking for feedback."
--M2-- : "I think there are parts of fractally that are complementary to Eden, but see far more power in the organizational structure of Eden, however incomplete. However, that doesn't mean we can't fill in the gaps and continue building on his initial work here, taking from what he's building in Fractally."
--M3-- : "Is the idea of having weekly fractally style meetings in Eden still on the table? Maybe we can work something out. I think it would lead to more engagement of the members here."
#Eden_elections : 2022-07-05 :
--M1-- : "How does @everyone feel about limiting CD terms to no succession, no repeats? So a member can run again, just not 2 terms in a row. I'm going on record as for this. Hope every current CD will join me..."
--M2-- : "I suggest no as our current consensus protocol is designed to prevent collusion/corruption as it is. If someone is deserving as deemed by the community, then why force others into the role who may be less desirable or qualified? This isn’t designed to be “everyone gets a turn”. It’s designed to be a meritocracy."
--M3-- : "I'm a fan of less is more when it comes to rules like this. If we're to trust the process then as suggested, the election itself would limit terms if required."
--M4-- : "I agree, you will prob see it happen naturally, but adding it to bylines could be something for the next cds to ponder."
#Chief_Delegates-meet : #12 (2022-06-30) :
"Eden Chief Delegates had their 12th meeting last week. Check out meeting notes below 👇🏼 with links to the recorded video.
Topics covered: ▶️ Accepted election administration RFP bid by Domenic, ▶️ Selected EDAO to support the contract changes, ▶️ Created top level .eden domains for apps, vote, tech, media, & NFT, ▶️ Executed the MSIG Tx to officially transfer the genesis.eden account permissions to the CDs., ▶️ Vendor reimbursement, ▶️ July 9th, 13:00 UTC election preparations 🔥👀, ▶️ Hypha as a potential DAO tool for Eden to use. "
https://bywire.news/articles/eos-chief-delegates-meeting-12
#Chief_Delegates-meet : #13 (2022-07-07) :
"EdenOnEOS Chief Delegate Meeting #13"
https://odysee.com/@EdenonEOS:f/Eden-CD-Meeting-Week-13:b
#Eden_elections : 2022-07-07 recording main room. :
"Livestream recording of the open Eden Election #3 Community Zoom Room." https://youtu.be/vag9F_2ClgM
Newly elected #EDEN_CHIEF_DELEGATES : 2022-07-09 :
"Luka - @zeropassio (Head CD), Chris - @Barnzooor, Dan - @DanSingjoy & Hahn - @hahnryu"
#Chief_Delegates_meet : 2022-07-10 :
"The newly elected Eden Chief Delegates with Yves La Rose of the ENF. Discussion on what the future holds for Eden.
https://youtu.be/Vyjr5rWpujA
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"Eden Chief Delegates had their 12th meeting last week. Check out meeting notes below 👇🏼 with links to the recorded video.
Topics covered: ▶️ Accepted election administration RFP bid by Domenic, ▶️ Selected EDAO to support the contract changes, ▶️ Created top level .eden domains for apps, vote, tech, media, & NFT, ▶️ Executed the MSIG Tx to officially transfer the genesis.eden account permissions to the CDs., ▶️ Vendor reimbursement, ▶️ July 9th, 13:00 UTC election preparations 🔥👀, ▶️ Hypha as a potential DAO tool for Eden to use. "
https://bywire.news/articles/eos-chief-delegates-meeting-12
#Chief_Delegates-meet : #13 (2022-07-07) :
"EdenOnEOS Chief Delegate Meeting #13"
https://odysee.com/@EdenonEOS:f/Eden-CD-Meeting-Week-13:b
#Eden_elections : 2022-07-07 recording main room. :
"Livestream recording of the open Eden Election #3 Community Zoom Room." https://youtu.be/vag9F_2ClgM
Newly elected #EDEN_CHIEF_DELEGATES : 2022-07-09 :
"Luka - @zeropassio (Head CD), Chris - @Barnzooor, Dan - @DanSingjoy & Hahn - @hahnryu"
#Chief_Delegates_meet : 2022-07-10 :
"The newly elected Eden Chief Delegates with Yves La Rose of the ENF. Discussion on what the future holds for Eden.
https://youtu.be/Vyjr5rWpujA
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Brain department this end "closed down" temporarily due to real bad Covid like symptoms. Once recovered enough #recaps will resume, hopefully in a day or two. 😔
#Recap Eden Member group discussions past 2 weeks posted Monday 2022-07-25. The delay due to unforeseen circumstance which is almost done with!😅
#Recap Eden Member group, up to & including Sunday 2022-07-24
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#Author_Comments : A number of topics extensively discussed these past weeks and has been in area of fundamentals from a wide range of viewpoints. Among these #MyvoteEOS, #Inductions, #Eden_elections, #Infrastructure, #EDAO, #Funding, #Treasury, #Governance, #Bylaws and more. #Recaps do not reflect much, if any at all, of these intense discussions. This because it is quite impossible to give a fair balanced view of these discussions in the short #recap format.
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#EOS_distribution? : 2022-07-10 :
--M1-- : "Is there anywhere one can go to see EOS distribution worldwide?"
--M2-- : "You can see geo distribution of inflation to BPs here - https://mainnet.eosio.online/rewards-distribution"
--M1-- : "Thanks, I'll check it out. Still having to make a series of assumptions here such as: . . "
#Eden_Delegates : 2022-07-10 : "Eden Season 3 Delegates channel has been set up, for current delegates to coordinate and stay in contact with other delegates of this seasons election."
#Eden_elections / #Accountability :
--M1-- : "Does anyone have an expense list for Eden elections? I'm curious where most of the costs come from. From first contact interview with Yves it sounds that it's really expensive."
--CD-- : "Here is a summary of the bids, . . "
--M2-- : "There was shockingly low participation from Eden members on that Vote.Eden Lead RFP."
#Dispute_Resolution / #Induction : 2022-07-12 : "I'd argue we need the dispute resolution before the removal/reduction of entry friction, depending on how much friction we're removing. We may also need a way to report people mid election if they won't/can't turn their camera on."
#FIO_Crypto_Handles : 2022-07-12 : "Wanted to let everyone know I added 123 more FIO Crypto Handles for Eden members: https://forums.eoscommunity.org/t/all-edenos-members-now-have-eden-fio-addresses/3462/29?u=lukestokes - They used to be called FIO Addresses). If everyone mapped addresses to various blockchains, we might be able to engage those chains to do Eden specific airdrops, knowing Sybil attack is impossible as it’s one handle per person."
#Eden_future : 2022-07-13 :
--M1-- : "Eden offers a process to distribute funds in a beautiful democratic way. This part is awesome. But I think the main problem with Eden is that it doesn't promote leadership for the community. During the election, many . . . "
--CD1-- : "Leadership over what tho. Over its own treasury? Sure, that much is obvious but when we try to govern other bigger system, while not proving we can even properly run eden, then... it looks like a naive proposition"
--CD2-- : ""Leadership" doesn't need to be interpreted as governing EOS, although that can certainly be a lofty goal that we can shoot for, and even there 'governing' EOS is full of nuance, and not binary."
--M2-- : "I would start by saying that there were a lot of concepts circulated in the community initially as to the vision for Eden. Then there wasn’t much follow up on some of those things and it all sort of took a life of its own. The biggest . . "
#Eden_future / #Workshop : 2022-07-13 : " What is Eden to Ourselves & to the World" :
--CD-- : "Join us for a manual Eden-style event on digging into why we're here. 🤔 We're looking to have the first of what will likely be a couple group calls on brainstorming what Eden is, and more importantly what can it become. 🚀"
--M1-- : "I expanded some ideas in the current election and will continue to advocate for a product management approach to Eden’s evolution. This morning I published an article on governance largely in reflection of the recent Eden election, available at linkedin or medium:
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/how-govern-your-self-others-world-web3-gavriel-shaw or
https://medium.com/@gavriel/how-to-govern-your-self-others-and-the-world-in-web3-a3bb82a07ea2 Very much looking forward to facilitating these workshops."
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#Author_Comments : A number of topics extensively discussed these past weeks and has been in area of fundamentals from a wide range of viewpoints. Among these #MyvoteEOS, #Inductions, #Eden_elections, #Infrastructure, #EDAO, #Funding, #Treasury, #Governance, #Bylaws and more. #Recaps do not reflect much, if any at all, of these intense discussions. This because it is quite impossible to give a fair balanced view of these discussions in the short #recap format.
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#EOS_distribution? : 2022-07-10 :
--M1-- : "Is there anywhere one can go to see EOS distribution worldwide?"
--M2-- : "You can see geo distribution of inflation to BPs here - https://mainnet.eosio.online/rewards-distribution"
--M1-- : "Thanks, I'll check it out. Still having to make a series of assumptions here such as: . . "
#Eden_Delegates : 2022-07-10 : "Eden Season 3 Delegates channel has been set up, for current delegates to coordinate and stay in contact with other delegates of this seasons election."
#Eden_elections / #Accountability :
--M1-- : "Does anyone have an expense list for Eden elections? I'm curious where most of the costs come from. From first contact interview with Yves it sounds that it's really expensive."
--CD-- : "Here is a summary of the bids, . . "
--M2-- : "There was shockingly low participation from Eden members on that Vote.Eden Lead RFP."
#Dispute_Resolution / #Induction : 2022-07-12 : "I'd argue we need the dispute resolution before the removal/reduction of entry friction, depending on how much friction we're removing. We may also need a way to report people mid election if they won't/can't turn their camera on."
#FIO_Crypto_Handles : 2022-07-12 : "Wanted to let everyone know I added 123 more FIO Crypto Handles for Eden members: https://forums.eoscommunity.org/t/all-edenos-members-now-have-eden-fio-addresses/3462/29?u=lukestokes - They used to be called FIO Addresses). If everyone mapped addresses to various blockchains, we might be able to engage those chains to do Eden specific airdrops, knowing Sybil attack is impossible as it’s one handle per person."
#Eden_future : 2022-07-13 :
--M1-- : "Eden offers a process to distribute funds in a beautiful democratic way. This part is awesome. But I think the main problem with Eden is that it doesn't promote leadership for the community. During the election, many . . . "
--CD1-- : "Leadership over what tho. Over its own treasury? Sure, that much is obvious but when we try to govern other bigger system, while not proving we can even properly run eden, then... it looks like a naive proposition"
--CD2-- : ""Leadership" doesn't need to be interpreted as governing EOS, although that can certainly be a lofty goal that we can shoot for, and even there 'governing' EOS is full of nuance, and not binary."
--M2-- : "I would start by saying that there were a lot of concepts circulated in the community initially as to the vision for Eden. Then there wasn’t much follow up on some of those things and it all sort of took a life of its own. The biggest . . "
#Eden_future / #Workshop : 2022-07-13 : " What is Eden to Ourselves & to the World" :
--CD-- : "Join us for a manual Eden-style event on digging into why we're here. 🤔 We're looking to have the first of what will likely be a couple group calls on brainstorming what Eden is, and more importantly what can it become. 🚀"
--M1-- : "I expanded some ideas in the current election and will continue to advocate for a product management approach to Eden’s evolution. This morning I published an article on governance largely in reflection of the recent Eden election, available at linkedin or medium:
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/how-govern-your-self-others-world-web3-gavriel-shaw or
https://medium.com/@gavriel/how-to-govern-your-self-others-and-the-world-in-web3-a3bb82a07ea2 Very much looking forward to facilitating these workshops."
#Eden_future / #Workshop : 2022-07-19 : "Want to see the output of last week's session, please check out the doc. If you want to add to it, or have your voice heard, we'll be doing the second session this week at the same time."
#Mission_Vision? : 2022-07-19 : "I believe the disagreement here is actually indicative of a much more fundamental difference in what people's view of Eden is, or what they think it should be. Some think it *should* simply be an actual organization, with shared property, not incompatible with corporate personhood or limited liability. Others think it should simply be a process to identify and fund leaders by their alignment with a shared vision/mission."
#Eden_Infrastructure : 2022-07-15 : "Eden Hand Off and Software Support - A quick background, update and details from Fractally (formerly Clarion) aimed at ensuring everyone knows what’s happening with respect to Eden infrastructure being handed off to Eden members."
#Funding : 2022-07-19 : ENF's Yves La Rose :
"Re: Pomelo funding Eden. CDs should go back to Eden CDs season 1 and the hours spent talking about it. . . "
""Re: costs for code changes / running the election. For reference; There was a bid . . ""
#Eden_Chief_Delegates : @Eden_EOS_Chiefs : 2022-07-15 : "The newly elected #EOS Chief Delegates had a handover discussion with the previous term CDs" - https://bit.ly/3Prr4W0
#Cheif_Delegates-meet 1 : 2022-07-12 : "EdenOnEOS Chief Delegate Meeting #1 - Monday, July 12, 2022 - https://odysee.com/@EdenonEOS:f/Eden-on-EOS-CD-Meeting-1---Odysee:4
#Cheif_Delegates-meet 2 : 2022-07-18 : "EdenOnEOS Chief Delegate Meeting #2 - Monday, July 18, 2022 - https://odysee.com/@EdenonEOS:f/Eden-on-EOS-CD-Meeting-2:5
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#Mission_Vision? : 2022-07-19 : "I believe the disagreement here is actually indicative of a much more fundamental difference in what people's view of Eden is, or what they think it should be. Some think it *should* simply be an actual organization, with shared property, not incompatible with corporate personhood or limited liability. Others think it should simply be a process to identify and fund leaders by their alignment with a shared vision/mission."
#Eden_Infrastructure : 2022-07-15 : "Eden Hand Off and Software Support - A quick background, update and details from Fractally (formerly Clarion) aimed at ensuring everyone knows what’s happening with respect to Eden infrastructure being handed off to Eden members."
#Funding : 2022-07-19 : ENF's Yves La Rose :
"Re: Pomelo funding Eden. CDs should go back to Eden CDs season 1 and the hours spent talking about it. . . "
""Re: costs for code changes / running the election. For reference; There was a bid . . ""
#Eden_Chief_Delegates : @Eden_EOS_Chiefs : 2022-07-15 : "The newly elected #EOS Chief Delegates had a handover discussion with the previous term CDs" - https://bit.ly/3Prr4W0
#Cheif_Delegates-meet 1 : 2022-07-12 : "EdenOnEOS Chief Delegate Meeting #1 - Monday, July 12, 2022 - https://odysee.com/@EdenonEOS:f/Eden-on-EOS-CD-Meeting-1---Odysee:4
#Cheif_Delegates-meet 2 : 2022-07-18 : "EdenOnEOS Chief Delegate Meeting #2 - Monday, July 18, 2022 - https://odysee.com/@EdenonEOS:f/Eden-on-EOS-CD-Meeting-2:5
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#Recap Eden Member group, incl. Saturday 2022-07-29 (Post 1/2)
#Interviews_CDs : 2022-07-23 : "SPECIAL Eden On EOS - Chief Delegates [#3] Interviews : https://bywire.news/articles/special-eden-chief-delegates-interview-by-novacrypto :"
- Luka Percic - (https://youtu.be/XwZ1Yq-kEVw)
- Hahn Ryu - (https://youtu.be/rEtsfhQ4O_4)
- Chris Barnes - (https://youtu.be/AGwfYN69YaI)
- Dan Singjoy - (https://youtu.be/Xeo7Tsvm56s)
#Eden_Innovation : 2022-07-23 :
--M1-- : "I'd like to see leadership push on innovation. What would those tools be? Who can help build them within the Eden community?"
--M2-- : "A lot of Eden's resources are currently going into Fractally R&D."
--CD1-- : "I am building the retention tool, that helps you lead through elections step by step. It will remove zoom friction as well."
--M1-- : "If someone wanted to build ancillary tool complementing members of Eden, how would one go about referencing those members?"
--CD1-- : "Its either contract directly (api node or dfuse), its history of actions (via something like dfuse), and then there is a this magic thing called subchain that offers an api, and its part of an eden deployment."
#Eden_Membership : 2022-07:23 :
--M1-- : "Once you're in Eden, you're in, join all the Eden's you want, as long as you can show up to decision making events and elections, you're fine."
--CD1-- : "The witnesses are supposed to be liable a bit for whoever they invite."
--M1-- : "I would recommend invitation and induction processes be standardized across all Edens. The actual sybil check are the elections."
--M2-- : "Who polices this?"
--M1-- : "It's always going to lead back to Eden Members, running elections, choosing delegates, running a reputation layer, placing bounties, establishing a dispute resolution system and people who participate, etc..."
#Bylaws : 2022-07-25 : #-# Author_Comments : Heated bylaw interpretation discussion continues! #-# :
--CD1-- : "Proposed "opex" bypass treasury drain is higher violation of the bylaws than potential disbursement increase. One is bypassing the bylaws completely, the other might only violate the order (proposal/approval)."
--CD2-- : "Can you point out what section of the bylaws are being violated by the proposed solution to pay for the OpEx?"
--CD1-- : "Yes, its not there, making a bypass of the current drawing method is complete violation. There is no line that talks about alternative drawing methods"
--M1-- : "Maybe call in L1 delegates to lend support to each CD position".
--M2-- : "The L1s bear the responsibility for the CDs already by putting them there."
--CD2-- : "I would love to hear from those that voted for me, what is their view on how OpEx is funded."
--CD1-- : "Not sure what's involved with operational expenses. Would like to see some sort of broad allocation plan."
--M3-- : "My hopes is that the operational costs have been blown out of proportion and we will get back a much lower number than what everyone anticipates."
#Eden_future : 2022-07-26 :
--M1-- : "If a community choose Eden and utilise the EOS software as well. Everyone create an EOS account and get started.Then win for Eden and EOS and therefore EdenOnEOS fulfill the duty."
--M2-- : "The new ground that Eden has broken is the use of EOS to automate and secure the process of local democracy. A lot of money and effort has gone into its development, and it is one of the best examples of what can be done with EOS smart contracts. What Eden has is the core component of the software to make the process simple and secure and scalable."
""Until we have a dapp that reproduces the Eden process, there's not much point talking about the concept of 'Eden' vs 'EdenOnEOS'. For now, they are exactly the same thing."
#Hypha : 2022-07-29 : "Progress has been made with the Hypha team and providing an opportunity for us/Eden on EOS to learn about and play around with their tool. Recognizing that this is purely voluntary at this point, opportunity for anyone to participate in a "DAO Activation Session" with the Hypha team." -
Tuesday @ 14:00 UTC.
#Interviews_CDs : 2022-07-23 : "SPECIAL Eden On EOS - Chief Delegates [#3] Interviews : https://bywire.news/articles/special-eden-chief-delegates-interview-by-novacrypto :"
- Luka Percic - (https://youtu.be/XwZ1Yq-kEVw)
- Hahn Ryu - (https://youtu.be/rEtsfhQ4O_4)
- Chris Barnes - (https://youtu.be/AGwfYN69YaI)
- Dan Singjoy - (https://youtu.be/Xeo7Tsvm56s)
#Eden_Innovation : 2022-07-23 :
--M1-- : "I'd like to see leadership push on innovation. What would those tools be? Who can help build them within the Eden community?"
--M2-- : "A lot of Eden's resources are currently going into Fractally R&D."
--CD1-- : "I am building the retention tool, that helps you lead through elections step by step. It will remove zoom friction as well."
--M1-- : "If someone wanted to build ancillary tool complementing members of Eden, how would one go about referencing those members?"
--CD1-- : "Its either contract directly (api node or dfuse), its history of actions (via something like dfuse), and then there is a this magic thing called subchain that offers an api, and its part of an eden deployment."
#Eden_Membership : 2022-07:23 :
--M1-- : "Once you're in Eden, you're in, join all the Eden's you want, as long as you can show up to decision making events and elections, you're fine."
--CD1-- : "The witnesses are supposed to be liable a bit for whoever they invite."
--M1-- : "I would recommend invitation and induction processes be standardized across all Edens. The actual sybil check are the elections."
--M2-- : "Who polices this?"
--M1-- : "It's always going to lead back to Eden Members, running elections, choosing delegates, running a reputation layer, placing bounties, establishing a dispute resolution system and people who participate, etc..."
#Bylaws : 2022-07-25 : #-# Author_Comments : Heated bylaw interpretation discussion continues! #-# :
--CD1-- : "Proposed "opex" bypass treasury drain is higher violation of the bylaws than potential disbursement increase. One is bypassing the bylaws completely, the other might only violate the order (proposal/approval)."
--CD2-- : "Can you point out what section of the bylaws are being violated by the proposed solution to pay for the OpEx?"
--CD1-- : "Yes, its not there, making a bypass of the current drawing method is complete violation. There is no line that talks about alternative drawing methods"
--M1-- : "Maybe call in L1 delegates to lend support to each CD position".
--M2-- : "The L1s bear the responsibility for the CDs already by putting them there."
--CD2-- : "I would love to hear from those that voted for me, what is their view on how OpEx is funded."
--CD1-- : "Not sure what's involved with operational expenses. Would like to see some sort of broad allocation plan."
--M3-- : "My hopes is that the operational costs have been blown out of proportion and we will get back a much lower number than what everyone anticipates."
#Eden_future : 2022-07-26 :
--M1-- : "If a community choose Eden and utilise the EOS software as well. Everyone create an EOS account and get started.Then win for Eden and EOS and therefore EdenOnEOS fulfill the duty."
--M2-- : "The new ground that Eden has broken is the use of EOS to automate and secure the process of local democracy. A lot of money and effort has gone into its development, and it is one of the best examples of what can be done with EOS smart contracts. What Eden has is the core component of the software to make the process simple and secure and scalable."
""Until we have a dapp that reproduces the Eden process, there's not much point talking about the concept of 'Eden' vs 'EdenOnEOS'. For now, they are exactly the same thing."
#Hypha : 2022-07-29 : "Progress has been made with the Hypha team and providing an opportunity for us/Eden on EOS to learn about and play around with their tool. Recognizing that this is purely voluntary at this point, opportunity for anyone to participate in a "DAO Activation Session" with the Hypha team." -
Tuesday @ 14:00 UTC.
bywire news
Special Eden Chief Delegates Interview by NovaCrypto
#Eden_future / #Workshop : 2022-07-29 :
"What is Eden to Ourselves & to the World" : "Our 3rd session of the brainstorming series next week, it will just be 1hr later than before, following the Hypha call on Tuesday." -
Tuesday @ 15:00 UTC.
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"What is Eden to Ourselves & to the World" : "Our 3rd session of the brainstorming series next week, it will just be 1hr later than before, following the Hypha call on Tuesday." -
Tuesday @ 15:00 UTC.
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#Recaps_UpScale pinned «EdenMember group #recaps posted Sundays. #Recaps for "EOS" and "EdenOnEOS" in future combined. Then EOSIO related pointers in one #recap only and duplication avoided. Posting Mondays and Thursdays. Fractally #recaps posted Saturdays.»
#Recap Eden Member group (week #31) incl. Saturday 2022-08-06
#Chief_Delegates-meet 3 : 2022-07-25 : "EdenOnEOS Chief Delegate Meeting #3 - Monday, July 25, 2022 - https://odysee.com/@EdenonEOS:f/Eden-Chief-Delegate-Meetings-Week-3-Odysee:4
#Chief_Delegates-meet 4 : 2022-08-01 : "EdenOnEOS Chief Delegate Meeting #4 - Monday, August 01, 2022 - https://odysee.com/@EdenonEOS:f/Eden-on-EOS-Chief-Delegate-Meeting-Week-4-Odysee:3
#EOS_Accounts : 2022-07-28 : How export EOS account history. :
--M1-- : ""Is there a way to export the entire history of an EOS account in CVS instead of page by page via bloks.io?
--M2-- : "Use the RPC API and traverse history until you reach the end and then parse the JSON to human readable format. Some examples: https://eosio.stackexchange.com/questions/1459/how-to-get-all-the-actions-of-one-account - You will need to learn some basic, but its worth it :)"
#Fractal_Fiction : 2022-07-31 : "The first ever Fractal Fiction creative writing event. https://t.me/EOSproject/1932678
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2022-08-06 https://t.me/c/1791074150/124 -
Sophia K. wrote "Little update for everyone: the story is coming together! I’ve been having so much fun writing it and Farah and Oscar have been awesome supporters. Lars, I’ll send you a copy at some point tomorrow. 😊🐲🔮🌊🤘🏼
#Eden_Discord : 2022-08-01 :
Question : "Is the Eden Discord server reserved for Eden members only or open to all?"
Answer : "Open to all - https://discord.gg/PSE4TuCW"
#Eden_future / #Workshop : 2022-08-02 : "The 3rd session for the Eden Brainstorming activity was moved to coming week. Gavriel is working on a summary in advance of the next step on this mission so a short pause between calls. Next session announced after summary is shared."
#Eden_future : "For Edens sake, Eden Needs To Value EOS Focussed Contributions" : "I’d like to think of Eden as the governance layer for the EOS blockchain, based on the principles from the book More Equal Animals. The further specifics of what “governance layer for the EOS blockchain” exactly means, need to be defined further. But I think for Eden to be recognized" - https://hive.blog/eos/@maximcincinnatis/for-edens-sake-eden-needs-to-value-eos-focussed-contributions
#Hypha : 2022-08-04 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/34139 : "We had the meeting with the Hypha DAO team to work towards Eden taking advantage of their platform as a potential tool to help us better organize ourselves. This spreadsheet is essentially a duplication of a questionnaire that was requested for us to attempt to fill out. In addition if you'd like to watch the meeting the recording can be found here . . . "
#Fractally_Eden : 2022-08-04 : "Just a quick update, Eden: As you’ve known, we’ve been working to hand off Genesis Eden so it’s in the community’s hands. That work has just completed. We’ve been working with the Edenia team, who has spun up servers, taken over accounts, and replaced the frontend. So you are now running on your own hardware."
#Eden_future : 2022-08-05 : "I agree with sentiment that Eden needs to earn its governance power in the EOS ecosystem. That's why I propose a path in which Eden could leverage economic power it creates to influence EOS governance, in a way that does not require asking the current governance system to yield its power: https://peakd.com/blockchain/@sim31/albedo-whitepaper ."
#Eden_elections : 2022-08-06 : "Eden Election (7.9.2022) Post Mortem Analysis - "Eden is an EOS Community organization that uses a new way to elect representatives known as “political playoffs”. The community completed its 3rd election on July 9th, 2022. This analysis is part of the Vote.Eden.Lead RFP set of deliverables." - https://medium.com/@domenicthomas/eden-election-7-9-2022-post-mortem-analysis-8d2292949483
""Here is the published version of the final analysis of the Vote.Eden.Lead RFP with a link to the final version of the eden election documentation: https://medium.com/@domenicthomas/vote-eden-lead-rfp-final-analysis-1ff292501d6c""
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#Chief_Delegates-meet 3 : 2022-07-25 : "EdenOnEOS Chief Delegate Meeting #3 - Monday, July 25, 2022 - https://odysee.com/@EdenonEOS:f/Eden-Chief-Delegate-Meetings-Week-3-Odysee:4
#Chief_Delegates-meet 4 : 2022-08-01 : "EdenOnEOS Chief Delegate Meeting #4 - Monday, August 01, 2022 - https://odysee.com/@EdenonEOS:f/Eden-on-EOS-Chief-Delegate-Meeting-Week-4-Odysee:3
#EOS_Accounts : 2022-07-28 : How export EOS account history. :
--M1-- : ""Is there a way to export the entire history of an EOS account in CVS instead of page by page via bloks.io?
--M2-- : "Use the RPC API and traverse history until you reach the end and then parse the JSON to human readable format. Some examples: https://eosio.stackexchange.com/questions/1459/how-to-get-all-the-actions-of-one-account - You will need to learn some basic, but its worth it :)"
#Fractal_Fiction : 2022-07-31 : "The first ever Fractal Fiction creative writing event. https://t.me/EOSproject/1932678
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2022-08-06 https://t.me/c/1791074150/124 -
Sophia K. wrote "Little update for everyone: the story is coming together! I’ve been having so much fun writing it and Farah and Oscar have been awesome supporters. Lars, I’ll send you a copy at some point tomorrow. 😊🐲🔮🌊🤘🏼
#Eden_Discord : 2022-08-01 :
Question : "Is the Eden Discord server reserved for Eden members only or open to all?"
Answer : "Open to all - https://discord.gg/PSE4TuCW"
#Eden_future / #Workshop : 2022-08-02 : "The 3rd session for the Eden Brainstorming activity was moved to coming week. Gavriel is working on a summary in advance of the next step on this mission so a short pause between calls. Next session announced after summary is shared."
#Eden_future : "For Edens sake, Eden Needs To Value EOS Focussed Contributions" : "I’d like to think of Eden as the governance layer for the EOS blockchain, based on the principles from the book More Equal Animals. The further specifics of what “governance layer for the EOS blockchain” exactly means, need to be defined further. But I think for Eden to be recognized" - https://hive.blog/eos/@maximcincinnatis/for-edens-sake-eden-needs-to-value-eos-focussed-contributions
#Hypha : 2022-08-04 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/34139 : "We had the meeting with the Hypha DAO team to work towards Eden taking advantage of their platform as a potential tool to help us better organize ourselves. This spreadsheet is essentially a duplication of a questionnaire that was requested for us to attempt to fill out. In addition if you'd like to watch the meeting the recording can be found here . . . "
#Fractally_Eden : 2022-08-04 : "Just a quick update, Eden: As you’ve known, we’ve been working to hand off Genesis Eden so it’s in the community’s hands. That work has just completed. We’ve been working with the Edenia team, who has spun up servers, taken over accounts, and replaced the frontend. So you are now running on your own hardware."
#Eden_future : 2022-08-05 : "I agree with sentiment that Eden needs to earn its governance power in the EOS ecosystem. That's why I propose a path in which Eden could leverage economic power it creates to influence EOS governance, in a way that does not require asking the current governance system to yield its power: https://peakd.com/blockchain/@sim31/albedo-whitepaper ."
#Eden_elections : 2022-08-06 : "Eden Election (7.9.2022) Post Mortem Analysis - "Eden is an EOS Community organization that uses a new way to elect representatives known as “political playoffs”. The community completed its 3rd election on July 9th, 2022. This analysis is part of the Vote.Eden.Lead RFP set of deliverables." - https://medium.com/@domenicthomas/eden-election-7-9-2022-post-mortem-analysis-8d2292949483
""Here is the published version of the final analysis of the Vote.Eden.Lead RFP with a link to the final version of the eden election documentation: https://medium.com/@domenicthomas/vote-eden-lead-rfp-final-analysis-1ff292501d6c""
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Odysee
EdenOnEOS Chief Delegate Meeting #3 - Monday, July 25, 2022
View EdenOnEOS Chief Delegate Meeting #3 - Monday, July 25, 2022 on Odysee
Fully focused campaigning over handfull days, related to Swedish elections in a month.
Apologize as I will not be able participate online nor time do #Recaps until Tue/Wed.
Apologize as I will not be able participate online nor time do #Recaps until Tue/Wed.
By end of today Tuesday 16/8 should have caught up with the EOSIO related #recaps.
Had a bundle of great days with the DD team advocating for Liquid Democracy leading up to national elections in 4 weeks.💪🇸🇪
Had a bundle of great days with the DD team advocating for Liquid Democracy leading up to national elections in 4 weeks.💪🇸🇪
#Recap Eden Member group (week #32) incl. Monday 2022-08-15
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#Author_Comments : The #Eden_Future in particular discussed at length past days/week with number of different views and perspectives raised.
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#Chief_Delegates-meet : 2022-08-08 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/34685 :
"View EdenOnEOS Chief Delegate Meeting #5 - Monday, Aug 8, 2022 - https://odysee.com/@EdenonEOS:f/Eden-on-EOS-Chief-Delegate-Meeting-Week-5-Odysee:0?t=922"
#Genesis_Eden_acc : 2022-08-07 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/34285 : "The genesis.eden account is now under control of the current cds. The next msig(s) will be to level out the hcd pay and increase the distribution rate from 5% to 15% as per the newly ratified bylaws."
https://bloks.io/account/genesis.eden#keys
#Fractally_related : 2022-08-08 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/34310 : "Genesis Fractal Data modelling and Simulation group just made significant discoveries . . "
#Discord_Eden : (https://discord.gg/CQU4s7gcze) : "Join the Eden Discord Server! Check out the Eden community on Discord"
#Eden_Updates : 2022-08-09 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/34353 : Head CD - "Some quick updates for the Eden community; . . "
#Eden_future : 2022-08-09 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/34376 :
--M1-- : ""I suggested a long time ago that we run an "election of ideas" simply have people prepare project pitches and use the eden election process to pick the pitches we felt should go forward. Then . . "
--M2-- : "I think experiment would not work if key condition is not met."
--M1-- : "How has eden proved its worth funding? I think we can point to a few things as being positive starts, but I'm not sure they have achieved measurable success to the point of justifying more funding."
--M2-- : "One way to figure out would be see outcome of spent funds. i dont know if the funds allocated could do anything more than operational things. At the same time, I think it has brought people who care about eos network together. created an enviroment for fostering positive discussions etc etc .. some unmeasurable things."
--M1-- : "There is certainly intangible value that has been created."
--M3-- : "If this is about Eden on EOS, it should really be the governance layer of EOS, the ENF needs to be democratic, and Eden on EOS was supposed to be that vehicle." - ""The community should have a referendum on it's purpose, and then just stick to it ruthlessly."
--M1-- : "This is absolutely the winning strategy IMO." - ""We gain influence by being effective at something and creating value that all token holders or at least most consider to be worthwhile. This will drive membership in time, but will also increase our funding, which is what will ultimately attract people.""
--M3-- : "Well said, but people are prob here for community and building a better world. I know most in this group are like that."
--M4-- : "My comment is basically directed at getting people who want and can donate their time recognition. That situation isn't one that can or should be indefinite, but this is also supposed to be built around a reputation system where when one goes above and beyond, it should be encouraged, and thus valued." - ""I encourage more people to show up to the brainstorming meetings and participate in shaping the future vision of Eden.""
#Hypha : 2022-08-11 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/34584 :
- Question: What's the status with the Hypha situation?
- Answer: "Thinking we meet Tuesday 16th at the previous time, 14:00 UTC. Once done goes back to the Hypha team to then open up the site for us."
#EOS_Respect : 2022-08-11 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/34606 :
- Question: "Is EOS Respect the EOS Support hosted / managed fork?"
- Answer: "Yes looks like it" (Author Comment - Read more here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dx_8WtHU9O4pgFcb2xjek79-a3cF2FKz/view?usp=sharing)
#EOSCommunity.org : 2022-08-14 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/34666 : Head CD - "Time has come to pay/donate for the code powering EDEN. Delegates (L1 and CDs) are asked to donate . . "
#-#-#
#Author_Comments : The #Eden_Future in particular discussed at length past days/week with number of different views and perspectives raised.
#-#-#
#Chief_Delegates-meet : 2022-08-08 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/34685 :
"View EdenOnEOS Chief Delegate Meeting #5 - Monday, Aug 8, 2022 - https://odysee.com/@EdenonEOS:f/Eden-on-EOS-Chief-Delegate-Meeting-Week-5-Odysee:0?t=922"
#Genesis_Eden_acc : 2022-08-07 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/34285 : "The genesis.eden account is now under control of the current cds. The next msig(s) will be to level out the hcd pay and increase the distribution rate from 5% to 15% as per the newly ratified bylaws."
https://bloks.io/account/genesis.eden#keys
#Fractally_related : 2022-08-08 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/34310 : "Genesis Fractal Data modelling and Simulation group just made significant discoveries . . "
#Discord_Eden : (https://discord.gg/CQU4s7gcze) : "Join the Eden Discord Server! Check out the Eden community on Discord"
#Eden_Updates : 2022-08-09 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/34353 : Head CD - "Some quick updates for the Eden community; . . "
#Eden_future : 2022-08-09 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/34376 :
--M1-- : ""I suggested a long time ago that we run an "election of ideas" simply have people prepare project pitches and use the eden election process to pick the pitches we felt should go forward. Then . . "
--M2-- : "I think experiment would not work if key condition is not met."
--M1-- : "How has eden proved its worth funding? I think we can point to a few things as being positive starts, but I'm not sure they have achieved measurable success to the point of justifying more funding."
--M2-- : "One way to figure out would be see outcome of spent funds. i dont know if the funds allocated could do anything more than operational things. At the same time, I think it has brought people who care about eos network together. created an enviroment for fostering positive discussions etc etc .. some unmeasurable things."
--M1-- : "There is certainly intangible value that has been created."
--M3-- : "If this is about Eden on EOS, it should really be the governance layer of EOS, the ENF needs to be democratic, and Eden on EOS was supposed to be that vehicle." - ""The community should have a referendum on it's purpose, and then just stick to it ruthlessly."
--M1-- : "This is absolutely the winning strategy IMO." - ""We gain influence by being effective at something and creating value that all token holders or at least most consider to be worthwhile. This will drive membership in time, but will also increase our funding, which is what will ultimately attract people.""
--M3-- : "Well said, but people are prob here for community and building a better world. I know most in this group are like that."
--M4-- : "My comment is basically directed at getting people who want and can donate their time recognition. That situation isn't one that can or should be indefinite, but this is also supposed to be built around a reputation system where when one goes above and beyond, it should be encouraged, and thus valued." - ""I encourage more people to show up to the brainstorming meetings and participate in shaping the future vision of Eden.""
#Hypha : 2022-08-11 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/34584 :
- Question: What's the status with the Hypha situation?
- Answer: "Thinking we meet Tuesday 16th at the previous time, 14:00 UTC. Once done goes back to the Hypha team to then open up the site for us."
#EOS_Respect : 2022-08-11 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/34606 :
- Question: "Is EOS Respect the EOS Support hosted / managed fork?"
- Answer: "Yes looks like it" (Author Comment - Read more here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dx_8WtHU9O4pgFcb2xjek79-a3cF2FKz/view?usp=sharing)
#EOSCommunity.org : 2022-08-14 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/34666 : Head CD - "Time has come to pay/donate for the code powering EDEN. Delegates (L1 and CDs) are asked to donate . . "
Odysee
EdenOnEOS Chief Delegate Meeting #5 - Monday, Aug 8, 2022
View EdenOnEOS Chief Delegate Meeting #5 - Monday, Aug 8, 2022 on Odysee
#Hypha : 2022-08-15 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/34700 : "Here is the 'Eden Positioning Paper' that is the output thus far from the workshops that was ran a couple weeks back. It is open for suggestions . . "
#Miscellaneous : 2022-08-09 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/34329 : "File under potentially useful independence maximizing tools: https://cryptpad.org/"
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#Miscellaneous : 2022-08-09 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/34329 : "File under potentially useful independence maximizing tools: https://cryptpad.org/"
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#Recap Eden Member group (WK#33) incl. Saturday 2022-08-20
#-#-# Author_Comments : Level of friction upped a bit discussing treasury distribution to the delegates and the payment process related to work done for Eden. This and related topics dominated the week. "What ends well is all well" is a saying I value (at times) and is how I judge the conclusion of discussions held during this week. #-#-#
#Eden_elections / #Accountability : https://t.me/c/1186628781/34748 :
--CD1-- : "Friendly reminder to current Eden Delegates. 👋🏼 Considering your received funding went up substantially for this Aug Distribution
▶️ 683 EOS for Aug vs the 159 EOS received for July
It would be very much appreciated if you would be willing to donate half of your recent distribution amount (341 EOS) to the bucket (https://www.bloks.io/account/edenia4edens) for team Edenia that have successfully transferred Eden infrastructure over to Tech.Eden Circle."
--M1-- : "Happy to support Eden independence with the delegate funds."
--CD2-- : " . . to me only legit reason not to pay is not agreeing with the cost accrued . . "
--M2-- : "Can someone provide the invoice with cost breakdown. Would like to review first."
--Edenia-- " : We view Eden as a client and we pride ourselves in providing any supporting information to the work we do for our clients. You are in every right to ask for more information and I’m happy to do so. We . . " https://t.me/c/1186628781/34903
--M3-- : "Thank you for the explanation and itemizing the work that was done in a clear manner that I hope most of us can better understand."
--M4-- : "We talked about the need for a procurement circle, and then about the need for the same procurement process across all circles, which calls for a standard procurement system to be decided on and built. But in order to have fair, public . . "
--M5-- : "Given that we have a functioning smart contract and regular elections, we could pretty easily do everything else we want with a spreadsheet and public agreements. There will never be a perfect tool. It's just a matter of political will. There's really nothing standing in the way. I've been watching this discussion . . " https://t.me/c/1186628781/34979
#Eden_future / #Workshop : https://t.me/c/1186628781/34987 :
"Everyone is invited to carefully review the draft Eden position paper that is being community sourced out of branding workshops we have recently held. Once locked in . . "
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#-#-# Author_Comments : Level of friction upped a bit discussing treasury distribution to the delegates and the payment process related to work done for Eden. This and related topics dominated the week. "What ends well is all well" is a saying I value (at times) and is how I judge the conclusion of discussions held during this week. #-#-#
#Eden_elections / #Accountability : https://t.me/c/1186628781/34748 :
--CD1-- : "Friendly reminder to current Eden Delegates. 👋🏼 Considering your received funding went up substantially for this Aug Distribution
▶️ 683 EOS for Aug vs the 159 EOS received for July
It would be very much appreciated if you would be willing to donate half of your recent distribution amount (341 EOS) to the bucket (https://www.bloks.io/account/edenia4edens) for team Edenia that have successfully transferred Eden infrastructure over to Tech.Eden Circle."
--M1-- : "Happy to support Eden independence with the delegate funds."
--CD2-- : " . . to me only legit reason not to pay is not agreeing with the cost accrued . . "
--M2-- : "Can someone provide the invoice with cost breakdown. Would like to review first."
--Edenia-- " : We view Eden as a client and we pride ourselves in providing any supporting information to the work we do for our clients. You are in every right to ask for more information and I’m happy to do so. We . . " https://t.me/c/1186628781/34903
--M3-- : "Thank you for the explanation and itemizing the work that was done in a clear manner that I hope most of us can better understand."
--M4-- : "We talked about the need for a procurement circle, and then about the need for the same procurement process across all circles, which calls for a standard procurement system to be decided on and built. But in order to have fair, public . . "
--M5-- : "Given that we have a functioning smart contract and regular elections, we could pretty easily do everything else we want with a spreadsheet and public agreements. There will never be a perfect tool. It's just a matter of political will. There's really nothing standing in the way. I've been watching this discussion . . " https://t.me/c/1186628781/34979
#Eden_future / #Workshop : https://t.me/c/1186628781/34987 :
"Everyone is invited to carefully review the draft Eden position paper that is being community sourced out of branding workshops we have recently held. Once locked in . . "
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If you here these the 3 regular #Recaps and then 1 ad hoc when stumble on "big" relevant stuff not noticed been posted elsewhere.🐬
The #recap Eden Member group posted Monday, delay due to travelling.