#Recap Eden Member group (WK50) - Sunday 2022-12-18
(Post 2 of 3)
#Eden_Funds : https://t.me/c/1186628781/39802 :
--M1-- : "Personally I think we should keep the distribution high to see what kind of impact Eden can have with lots of financial power backing it."
--M2-- : "I would assume that they will not want to cut their own budget. That said, some may run on platform to cut the budget back to 5%. So in the end, voters will be the ones deciding. I think its a crucial point in upcoming election!"
--CD-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/39852 : "15% is far too high with what we have. We nearly ran out of funds once. Why drain it ... "
--M3-- : "Price is but just one aspect. 5% is more than enough to fund projects. EDEN is NOT assured future funding at this point. People should want to join EDEN for EOS Governance not necessarily to just fund their pet projects."
--CD-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/39912 - "In this chart we can see the stark difference in the treasury reduction rate, where 15% is ... "
--M3-- : "What would this chart look like if the minimum qualifying amount of EOS were locked up in a Yield+ approved DeFi smart contract and 5% constantly trickled back into the treasury?"
--M4-- : "I just disagree on many accounts, but this is what happens when an organization has no clear mission or consistent culture. Governance was always ... " - ... "Also it has been all but flat out said that the ENF will find funding for us if we show that we can do something with what we have. Let’s focus on that."
--M5-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40115 - "I think this statement can sum this whole conversation up 🙏"
#Eden_Roadmap 3 Horizons : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40124 : "Talking with current CDs we plan to end our term with a formal request to ENF along with a proposed "3 Horizons of Eden / Roadmap" that simplifies what we're aiming to do. The next CDs can ratify this "3 Horizons/roadmap" before we consider it "official" and ENF may send funds if they feel it's worth funding. Current (*Dec 15*) plan. Any amendments to this proposal/plan from any members here?""
--M-- : "I dont think you can/should impose visions on the next set of cds - if initiatives are good, people will pick them up where they stopped."
#Eden_consultancy : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40136 : "The Eden on EOS community could grow to become a community of decentralized governance consultants that help new communities leverage our tools (across all of EOS from DAOs to DeFi, etc) - benefits: ... "
(Post 2 of 3)
#Eden_Funds : https://t.me/c/1186628781/39802 :
--M1-- : "Personally I think we should keep the distribution high to see what kind of impact Eden can have with lots of financial power backing it."
--M2-- : "I would assume that they will not want to cut their own budget. That said, some may run on platform to cut the budget back to 5%. So in the end, voters will be the ones deciding. I think its a crucial point in upcoming election!"
--CD-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/39852 : "15% is far too high with what we have. We nearly ran out of funds once. Why drain it ... "
--M3-- : "Price is but just one aspect. 5% is more than enough to fund projects. EDEN is NOT assured future funding at this point. People should want to join EDEN for EOS Governance not necessarily to just fund their pet projects."
--CD-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/39912 - "In this chart we can see the stark difference in the treasury reduction rate, where 15% is ... "
--M3-- : "What would this chart look like if the minimum qualifying amount of EOS were locked up in a Yield+ approved DeFi smart contract and 5% constantly trickled back into the treasury?"
--M4-- : "I just disagree on many accounts, but this is what happens when an organization has no clear mission or consistent culture. Governance was always ... " - ... "Also it has been all but flat out said that the ENF will find funding for us if we show that we can do something with what we have. Let’s focus on that."
--M5-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40115 - "I think this statement can sum this whole conversation up 🙏"
#Eden_Roadmap 3 Horizons : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40124 : "Talking with current CDs we plan to end our term with a formal request to ENF along with a proposed "3 Horizons of Eden / Roadmap" that simplifies what we're aiming to do. The next CDs can ratify this "3 Horizons/roadmap" before we consider it "official" and ENF may send funds if they feel it's worth funding. Current (*Dec 15*) plan. Any amendments to this proposal/plan from any members here?""
--M-- : "I dont think you can/should impose visions on the next set of cds - if initiatives are good, people will pick them up where they stopped."
#Eden_consultancy : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40136 : "The Eden on EOS community could grow to become a community of decentralized governance consultants that help new communities leverage our tools (across all of EOS from DAOs to DeFi, etc) - benefits: ... "
#Recap Eden Member group (WK50) - Sunday 2022-12-18
(Post 3 of 3)
#Eden_Chief_Delegates-meet Dec 16th : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40288 : “Eden CDs Weekly Meeting #10 - The Eden Chief delegates gather to discuss Eden on EOS Governance. - https://youtu.be/TGpO_ujmp4Q"
#New_Funding_model : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40316 :
--CDa-- : "A recap from the last CD call: - We came to consensus on a modified funding model where we plan to pull from the Treasury into the OpEx account. This new funding model ... "
--M2-- : " ... terrible idea. Doing so without updating the bylaws even worse. Reducing distribution to 5%, while you pulled 15% in your season, its terrible idea too." - "You are removing the base protection that each CD is approving their portion of the budget; you should at least suggest bylaw change, this is a big depature from how eden worked till now"
--CDb-- : "We should hear what others think on this." - "It is a radical shift of how the current Eden works. There is some merit behind it however. We went over it on the last CD call. You may like where its headed."
--M3-- : "Sounds like meaningful action. Love it!"
--M2-- : "I am only interested to see how this can be stopped on new election" - "Propose bylaw upgrade, let new CDs aprove it, then it will be legit."
--CDb-- : "Most of this will absolutely need to go through the bylaw proposal and ratify process. The only deviation here is that we want to kick start other Edens with a small amount from the total treasury."
--M3-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40381 - "The Current CDs decided its ok for them to ... "
--M4-- : "... DO NOT expand until your first location/group/franchise is THRIVING and has proven product market fit, is ... "
= END =
(Post 3 of 3)
#Eden_Chief_Delegates-meet Dec 16th : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40288 : “Eden CDs Weekly Meeting #10 - The Eden Chief delegates gather to discuss Eden on EOS Governance. - https://youtu.be/TGpO_ujmp4Q"
#New_Funding_model : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40316 :
--CDa-- : "A recap from the last CD call: - We came to consensus on a modified funding model where we plan to pull from the Treasury into the OpEx account. This new funding model ... "
--M2-- : " ... terrible idea. Doing so without updating the bylaws even worse. Reducing distribution to 5%, while you pulled 15% in your season, its terrible idea too." - "You are removing the base protection that each CD is approving their portion of the budget; you should at least suggest bylaw change, this is a big depature from how eden worked till now"
--CDb-- : "We should hear what others think on this." - "It is a radical shift of how the current Eden works. There is some merit behind it however. We went over it on the last CD call. You may like where its headed."
--M3-- : "Sounds like meaningful action. Love it!"
--M2-- : "I am only interested to see how this can be stopped on new election" - "Propose bylaw upgrade, let new CDs aprove it, then it will be legit."
--CDb-- : "Most of this will absolutely need to go through the bylaw proposal and ratify process. The only deviation here is that we want to kick start other Edens with a small amount from the total treasury."
--M3-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40381 - "The Current CDs decided its ok for them to ... "
--M4-- : "... DO NOT expand until your first location/group/franchise is THRIVING and has proven product market fit, is ... "
= END =
#Recap partial repeat, for easy find, of these 4 member polls, just in case you not yet given your voice!
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#Eden_Poll 1 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/39550 : "Stance on the 500k EOS donation to Eden from B1 - *May select multiple options* - Any major stances missing?"
#Eden_Poll 2 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/39845 : "Member dues are currently on the table for consideration for by-laws changes. - At Genesis Eden membership dues were ~$50. Today it's ~$3. What range should dues be? ... "
#Eden_Poll 3 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/39853 : "Should polls remain anonymous? For: Decreases potential for retribution against members and their positions Against: Increases potential for non-members/Sybil/bots/etc to manipulate a poll ... "
#Eden_Poll 4 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/39859 : "Should Membership Dues be charged: ... - *Choose multiple options you support*"
#Eden_Poll process : "You can always go back and change your vote if things change based on discussion :). Just click on the poll text and click "retract vote" and vote again. All polls in the "Eden Sense Making" channel will remain open for voting, so new members can go and add their sentiments when they join and existing members can go and update their perspectives at any time."
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#Eden_Poll 1 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/39550 : "Stance on the 500k EOS donation to Eden from B1 - *May select multiple options* - Any major stances missing?"
#Eden_Poll 2 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/39845 : "Member dues are currently on the table for consideration for by-laws changes. - At Genesis Eden membership dues were ~$50. Today it's ~$3. What range should dues be? ... "
#Eden_Poll 3 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/39853 : "Should polls remain anonymous? For: Decreases potential for retribution against members and their positions Against: Increases potential for non-members/Sybil/bots/etc to manipulate a poll ... "
#Eden_Poll 4 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/39859 : "Should Membership Dues be charged: ... - *Choose multiple options you support*"
#Eden_Poll process : "You can always go back and change your vote if things change based on discussion :). Just click on the poll text and click "retract vote" and vote again. All polls in the "Eden Sense Making" channel will remain open for voting, so new members can go and add their sentiments when they join and existing members can go and update their perspectives at any time."
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#Recap Eden Member group - up to end of 31 Dec, 2022, (UTC) -
posted Mon 2 Jan, 2023 - (Post 1 of 7)
(Next Eden Member Recap - Sun 8 Jan)
#Author_Comments: *If reader wish more related EOS and Eden material https://t.me/Recaps_EOS posted Saturday 31st Dec 2022 might have what you seek. #Recaps Eden Member group meant to give a hint of main discussion topics, at times with dates and/or links which take members to the original posts"*
#Eden_Chief_Delegates-meet – Dec 16, 2022 : (#Recap_repeat) : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40331 - Weekly Meeting #10 - https://youtu.be/TGpO_ujmp4Q
#Eden_Chief_Delegate_Proposals - 18/12/22 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40380 : "The Chief Delegates (Chris, Jesse, Xavier, Reiki, Waxa) recently conducted their 10th Weekly Meeting" - https://www.edenelections.com/post/eden-chief-delegate-proposal-18-12-22
#Eden_CD_Proposals Term 4 - 18 Dec, 2022 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40316 : "NONE OF THE BELOW IS YET TO BE AN OFFICIAL PROPOSAL BY THE CDs. PLEASE GIVE YOUR FEEDBACK. - Hey everyone, here’s a recap from the last CD call:
- We came to consensus on a modified funding model. The idea is to pull ...
- If the OpEx account is used to fund initiatives that have CD consensus, the ...
- We plan on creating an msig to request funding ...
- We agreed that funding two distinct membership paths is ...
We would like to emphasize that none of the above has been executed. We are open to feedback from all vantage points. To conclude, we ... "
#Eden_Member - few feedbacks and CD words up to Dec 23, 2022:
--M1-- : 18/12 https://t.me/c/1186628781/40325 "... you are removing the base protection that each CD is approving their portion of the budget; you should at least sugest bylaw change, this is a big depature from how eden worked till now ... "
--CDa-- https://t.me/c/1186628781/40320 "... its not that terrible in context of the recent source of funds and their intended purpose. The use in this case is to start other Edens, not some random ... "
--M2-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40382 "Why are we jumping the gun on starting other language sections already guys?"
--M3-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40427 "The Member Removal action is a good initiative and I like it getting polished. But another similar action ... "
--M1-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40429 "CDs did ask for feedback, so hopefully the changes will only be proposed via bylaw update for next CDs, and not acted on now."
--M4-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40435 "Current CDs shouldnt be spending huge chunks of treasury before next election."
--M5-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40505 "... this exchange and proposed multipoint pinned plan is leaning towards questionable intent for the first time, for me."
--M6-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40586 "... why have elections to select CDs if we’re going to try to micromanage them?"
--M7-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40633 "... it is the CDs that are pushing the narrative and not taking into account the views of the rest of the layers. Only when we .. "
--CDb-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40634 "... my views are changing as we are getting feedback, feedback is a time to change perspectives - https://t.me/c/1186628781/40652 "... we thought it had widespread support, and I'm happy to have messaged in here before taking action.""
--M8-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40986 "All in all, my main takeaways from reading through the discussion that has ensued since the various proposals floated by current CDs can be stated briefly as: All power comes from consent, & when in doubt, ratify. ... " - ""L1 Delegate Distribution .. , Multi-language Eden support & The OpEx Pool .. , Rate of Treasury Emissions .. , Two Tiered Membership ... - Conclusion ... ""
#Recap Eden Member group - up to end of 31 Dec, 2022, (UTC) - (Post 2 of 7)
posted Mon 2 Jan, 2023 - (Post 1 of 7)
(Next Eden Member Recap - Sun 8 Jan)
#Author_Comments: *If reader wish more related EOS and Eden material https://t.me/Recaps_EOS posted Saturday 31st Dec 2022 might have what you seek. #Recaps Eden Member group meant to give a hint of main discussion topics, at times with dates and/or links which take members to the original posts"*
#Eden_Chief_Delegates-meet – Dec 16, 2022 : (#Recap_repeat) : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40331 - Weekly Meeting #10 - https://youtu.be/TGpO_ujmp4Q
#Eden_Chief_Delegate_Proposals - 18/12/22 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40380 : "The Chief Delegates (Chris, Jesse, Xavier, Reiki, Waxa) recently conducted their 10th Weekly Meeting" - https://www.edenelections.com/post/eden-chief-delegate-proposal-18-12-22
#Eden_CD_Proposals Term 4 - 18 Dec, 2022 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40316 : "NONE OF THE BELOW IS YET TO BE AN OFFICIAL PROPOSAL BY THE CDs. PLEASE GIVE YOUR FEEDBACK. - Hey everyone, here’s a recap from the last CD call:
- We came to consensus on a modified funding model. The idea is to pull ...
- If the OpEx account is used to fund initiatives that have CD consensus, the ...
- We plan on creating an msig to request funding ...
- We agreed that funding two distinct membership paths is ...
We would like to emphasize that none of the above has been executed. We are open to feedback from all vantage points. To conclude, we ... "
#Eden_Member - few feedbacks and CD words up to Dec 23, 2022:
--M1-- : 18/12 https://t.me/c/1186628781/40325 "... you are removing the base protection that each CD is approving their portion of the budget; you should at least sugest bylaw change, this is a big depature from how eden worked till now ... "
--CDa-- https://t.me/c/1186628781/40320 "... its not that terrible in context of the recent source of funds and their intended purpose. The use in this case is to start other Edens, not some random ... "
--M2-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40382 "Why are we jumping the gun on starting other language sections already guys?"
--M3-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40427 "The Member Removal action is a good initiative and I like it getting polished. But another similar action ... "
--M1-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40429 "CDs did ask for feedback, so hopefully the changes will only be proposed via bylaw update for next CDs, and not acted on now."
--M4-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40435 "Current CDs shouldnt be spending huge chunks of treasury before next election."
--M5-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40505 "... this exchange and proposed multipoint pinned plan is leaning towards questionable intent for the first time, for me."
--M6-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40586 "... why have elections to select CDs if we’re going to try to micromanage them?"
--M7-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40633 "... it is the CDs that are pushing the narrative and not taking into account the views of the rest of the layers. Only when we .. "
--CDb-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40634 "... my views are changing as we are getting feedback, feedback is a time to change perspectives - https://t.me/c/1186628781/40652 "... we thought it had widespread support, and I'm happy to have messaged in here before taking action.""
--M8-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40986 "All in all, my main takeaways from reading through the discussion that has ensued since the various proposals floated by current CDs can be stated briefly as: All power comes from consent, & when in doubt, ratify. ... " - ""L1 Delegate Distribution .. , Multi-language Eden support & The OpEx Pool .. , Rate of Treasury Emissions .. , Two Tiered Membership ... - Conclusion ... ""
#Recap Eden Member group - up to end of 31 Dec, 2022, (UTC) - (Post 2 of 7)
#Recap Eden Member group - up to end of 31 Dec, 2022, (UTC) - (Post 2 of 7)
#Eden_Member comment 19 Dec, 2022 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40854 :
--M1-- : "Just. Caught. Up.... 😅 It sure can be punishing to entertain the illusion one might enjoy a peaceful Sunday now and then... 😂 This community always surprises and delights. A coherent single response to all this in the morning... (took notes on my evening read through the 400 odd messages) Good night my fellow Space Monkeys! 🛸🐒🛸"
--M2-- : "Who admins this group? Why is this hostile rhetoric tolerated?""
--CD-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/41418 : "Thanks for the EPIC discussion! The proposal to clarify the role that CDs are playing in Eden - was just that, a proposal, to start this dialogue and process. However, ... ""
#ESP_ESPx Announcement Dec 23, 2022 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/41883 ;
--CD-- : "Announcing the Eden Smart Proxy - A solution to align the interests of BPs, token holders & #EOS network that will inspire the entire #blockchain industry. #ESPx intends to maximize accountability, transparency & integrity of the $EOS mainnet." - ""To read the Litepaper visit here: https://proxy.eden.eoscommunity.org - To actually understand what ESPx watch here https://youtu.be/YuGVXG-IkpA""
#Eden_Member (some are BPs) feedback & CD words Dec 23-24 and onward:
--CDa-- : "I think the Eden Smart Proxy will be something for members to consider as a function this group can do beyond just allocate funds. Definitely looking for feedback if anyone has looked at it yet!!"
--M1-- : "The only constant is change, but change must happen more slowly than our capacity to adapt to change, or consensus is lost, and we fall apart."
--M2-- : "Improving the existing .. while also inventing emerging .. "
--M3-- : "So many brilliant hard working community members seeming on different sides of the battle, so it's a bit horrifying to see, but the hope of governance working is somewhat reassuring. Let's be sure no soldiers fall in the battle, as we need each warrior for the future."
--M4-- & BP : " ... so ESP is cool supporting bps that are actively vote buying but say they wont eventually?" - ""I've made it a point to stand by my position and explain it... but sounds like really we just want folks to be like "yeah im on board" but not really have any reason to change :)""
--CDa-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/42354 ????? "I think you're being a bit harsh. We are working on getting stake...this was just announced yesterday."
--M5-- & BP : "The lite paper does define a 2 month grace period. This is why we haven’t pledged anything, because we’re not going to stop in 2 months if this proxy has like 10m votes. That’s not enough." - ""Well take the pledge when there’s a realistic chance of it happening. You don’t pledge to quit your job when you don’t have anything lined up.""
--M6-- : "How are the funds received by the BPs going to be offset so harm is not caused to our community creators relying on their expertise and staff? ... "
--M5-- & BP : "This notion that block producers are expected to do everything isn’t healthy. We needed other opportunities for people to get involved and fill in those gaps to lessen the burden on these organizations, and we have that now. Right here, in this channel, is another one of those organizations - Eden. The candidates and members here are funded to do whatever is beneficial to the network and its users, while using this experimental election process as the means to decide who gets what."
--M6-- : "My concern is that just because we’re smart individuals doesn’t mean everyone is qualified to make an informed decision on BPs"
--CDb-- : "The damage ... has already been done! "We are trying to fix that. ... " - https://t.me/c/1186628781/43566
--M7-- : "One question I have in terms of macro impact: .. " - "" .. is there a chance that there may be material negative consequences? Perhaps .. " - https://t.me/c/1186628781/43624
--M8-- : "I think its pretty clear that proxy is centralised for now"
#Eden_Member comment 19 Dec, 2022 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40854 :
--M1-- : "Just. Caught. Up.... 😅 It sure can be punishing to entertain the illusion one might enjoy a peaceful Sunday now and then... 😂 This community always surprises and delights. A coherent single response to all this in the morning... (took notes on my evening read through the 400 odd messages) Good night my fellow Space Monkeys! 🛸🐒🛸"
--M2-- : "Who admins this group? Why is this hostile rhetoric tolerated?""
--CD-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/41418 : "Thanks for the EPIC discussion! The proposal to clarify the role that CDs are playing in Eden - was just that, a proposal, to start this dialogue and process. However, ... ""
#ESP_ESPx Announcement Dec 23, 2022 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/41883 ;
--CD-- : "Announcing the Eden Smart Proxy - A solution to align the interests of BPs, token holders & #EOS network that will inspire the entire #blockchain industry. #ESPx intends to maximize accountability, transparency & integrity of the $EOS mainnet." - ""To read the Litepaper visit here: https://proxy.eden.eoscommunity.org - To actually understand what ESPx watch here https://youtu.be/YuGVXG-IkpA""
#Eden_Member (some are BPs) feedback & CD words Dec 23-24 and onward:
--CDa-- : "I think the Eden Smart Proxy will be something for members to consider as a function this group can do beyond just allocate funds. Definitely looking for feedback if anyone has looked at it yet!!"
--M1-- : "The only constant is change, but change must happen more slowly than our capacity to adapt to change, or consensus is lost, and we fall apart."
--M2-- : "Improving the existing .. while also inventing emerging .. "
--M3-- : "So many brilliant hard working community members seeming on different sides of the battle, so it's a bit horrifying to see, but the hope of governance working is somewhat reassuring. Let's be sure no soldiers fall in the battle, as we need each warrior for the future."
--M4-- & BP : " ... so ESP is cool supporting bps that are actively vote buying but say they wont eventually?" - ""I've made it a point to stand by my position and explain it... but sounds like really we just want folks to be like "yeah im on board" but not really have any reason to change :)""
--CDa-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/42354 ????? "I think you're being a bit harsh. We are working on getting stake...this was just announced yesterday."
--M5-- & BP : "The lite paper does define a 2 month grace period. This is why we haven’t pledged anything, because we’re not going to stop in 2 months if this proxy has like 10m votes. That’s not enough." - ""Well take the pledge when there’s a realistic chance of it happening. You don’t pledge to quit your job when you don’t have anything lined up.""
--M6-- : "How are the funds received by the BPs going to be offset so harm is not caused to our community creators relying on their expertise and staff? ... "
--M5-- & BP : "This notion that block producers are expected to do everything isn’t healthy. We needed other opportunities for people to get involved and fill in those gaps to lessen the burden on these organizations, and we have that now. Right here, in this channel, is another one of those organizations - Eden. The candidates and members here are funded to do whatever is beneficial to the network and its users, while using this experimental election process as the means to decide who gets what."
--M6-- : "My concern is that just because we’re smart individuals doesn’t mean everyone is qualified to make an informed decision on BPs"
--CDb-- : "The damage ... has already been done! "We are trying to fix that. ... " - https://t.me/c/1186628781/43566
--M7-- : "One question I have in terms of macro impact: .. " - "" .. is there a chance that there may be material negative consequences? Perhaps .. " - https://t.me/c/1186628781/43624
--M8-- : "I think its pretty clear that proxy is centralised for now"
#Eden_Member (some are BPs) feedback & CD words Dec 23-24 and onward: (continued from previous post)
--M9-- : "It intends to be centralized but with transparency to replace the current 1-2 persons centralization ... " - https://t.me/c/1186628781/43647
--CDc-- : "As far as I know it will be the most decentralised proxy on EOS."
--M10-- : ".. imo ESPx should operate a separate software for your ESPx(myvote), not using the current Eden, and I don't want to be embroiled in 1000-message debate😂"
--M11-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/43743 "Would BPs paying "advisory fees" to a large whales (*or people who have influence over certain whales*) be considered the same as vote buying under the rules of ESP?"
--CDa-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/44065 ".. BPs who are paying this would need to clearly articulate this, and .."
--M12-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/44127 " ... many acknowledge the current system is not ideal. So forming a Governance+ working group in light of this surge of community engagement could be a positive move. ..."
#Eden_Bylaws : current version ratified October 28, 2022 : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pYLSi6nZXEDAqKkN-t6bNomtno8fHjGJBtJBWUZ0X9U/edit?usp=sharing
#Eden_Bylaws : proposed amendments, Term 4 to 5, Dec24, 2022: "https://docs.google.com/document/d/1s26SHC6Tj16lrHkvIPSRWmLRNAuYRdQ3oRFj7Fk0JRs/edit?usp=sharing"
#Eden_Bylaws discussions 20-24 Dec, 2022 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/41193 :
--CDa-- : "As things stand you are most certainly correct that we shouldn't propose an drastic changes to the bylaws simply because there isn't enough time to get feedback on the wording. For me the only change I'd like to see ... ""
--M1-- : "https://t.me/c/1186628781/41198 ... as a CD you can propose any bylaw, but next set of CDs vote on the whole document (so if you want it to be ratified, only changes with strong support should be added).
--CDb__ : https://t.me/c/1186628781/42063 "The CDs are considering proposing a Bylaw to expand the scope of Dispute Resolution claims to include repeated insults towards other members. That means ... "
--M2-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/42127 "In Eden a case must be made for the dispute resolution process to run."
--CDc-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/42131 "I'm open minded and haven't yet found a consensus to get behind. ... " - ""IMO it would be a waste (and end up with bylaws too long to read) to attempt to detail every scenario. But very helpful to detail ... " https://t.me/c/1186628781/42214
**#Eden_Bylaws : current version ratified October 28, 2022 : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pYLSi6nZXEDAqKkN-t6bNomtno8fHjGJBtJBWUZ0X9U/edit?usp=sharing
#Eden_Bylaws : proposed amendments, Term 4 to 5, Dec 24, 2022 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/42435 : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1s26SHC6Tj16lrHkvIPSRWmLRNAuYRdQ3oRFj7Fk0JRs/edit?usp=sharing
--M9-- : "It intends to be centralized but with transparency to replace the current 1-2 persons centralization ... " - https://t.me/c/1186628781/43647
--CDc-- : "As far as I know it will be the most decentralised proxy on EOS."
--M10-- : ".. imo ESPx should operate a separate software for your ESPx(myvote), not using the current Eden, and I don't want to be embroiled in 1000-message debate😂"
--M11-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/43743 "Would BPs paying "advisory fees" to a large whales (*or people who have influence over certain whales*) be considered the same as vote buying under the rules of ESP?"
--CDa-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/44065 ".. BPs who are paying this would need to clearly articulate this, and .."
--M12-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/44127 " ... many acknowledge the current system is not ideal. So forming a Governance+ working group in light of this surge of community engagement could be a positive move. ..."
#Eden_Bylaws : current version ratified October 28, 2022 : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pYLSi6nZXEDAqKkN-t6bNomtno8fHjGJBtJBWUZ0X9U/edit?usp=sharing
#Eden_Bylaws : proposed amendments, Term 4 to 5, Dec24, 2022: "https://docs.google.com/document/d/1s26SHC6Tj16lrHkvIPSRWmLRNAuYRdQ3oRFj7Fk0JRs/edit?usp=sharing"
#Eden_Bylaws discussions 20-24 Dec, 2022 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/41193 :
--CDa-- : "As things stand you are most certainly correct that we shouldn't propose an drastic changes to the bylaws simply because there isn't enough time to get feedback on the wording. For me the only change I'd like to see ... ""
--M1-- : "https://t.me/c/1186628781/41198 ... as a CD you can propose any bylaw, but next set of CDs vote on the whole document (so if you want it to be ratified, only changes with strong support should be added).
--CDb__ : https://t.me/c/1186628781/42063 "The CDs are considering proposing a Bylaw to expand the scope of Dispute Resolution claims to include repeated insults towards other members. That means ... "
--M2-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/42127 "In Eden a case must be made for the dispute resolution process to run."
--CDc-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/42131 "I'm open minded and haven't yet found a consensus to get behind. ... " - ""IMO it would be a waste (and end up with bylaws too long to read) to attempt to detail every scenario. But very helpful to detail ... " https://t.me/c/1186628781/42214
**#Eden_Bylaws : current version ratified October 28, 2022 : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pYLSi6nZXEDAqKkN-t6bNomtno8fHjGJBtJBWUZ0X9U/edit?usp=sharing
#Eden_Bylaws : proposed amendments, Term 4 to 5, Dec 24, 2022 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/42435 : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1s26SHC6Tj16lrHkvIPSRWmLRNAuYRdQ3oRFj7Fk0JRs/edit?usp=sharing
#Recap Eden Member group - up to end of 31 Dec, 2022, (UTC) - (Post 4 of 7)
#Eden_Bylaws : continued discussion : https://t.me/c/1186628781/42435
--CDa-- : "This week we went over the Bylaws ... - They're open for commenting and dialogue ... "
--CDb-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/42440 - "awesome...lets leave this open for comment for a few hours and then I'll polish up the final doc tonight to formally present to the community for consideration to be ratified by the next set of CDs."
--CDa-- : " ... feedback directly on the Google doc for candidates this season to read and understand the problem landscape and potentially inform their/our campaigns and how we create consensus/vote."
--CDb-- : " ... it doesn't look like the smart contracts match this. So regardless needs an effort to add this functionality and then amend the wording appropriately."
--CDa-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/42793 - "Ideally next set of CDs carry this forward in: 1. Scraping through Eden code to make sure ... . 2. Adding additional Rights and Responsibilities for CDs and Delegates ... 3. Addressing attack vectors and tensions in ... "
--M1-- : "Generally they look fine to me with one exception: ... "
--M2-- : " ... I will definitely run on not ratifying this ..."
--M3-- : "This is way too generic of a description and I fear that .. "
--M4-- : "Should be stated in the bylaws that we are selecting delegates for the ability to build consensus and lead."
--M5-- : "I propose the current version of this new censorship bylaw be limited to: .."
--M4-- : "Officially proposed Bylaws are due this morning, so many of these ideas are things for the next set of CDs to consider proposing during their term. If .. "
--M-- : "Bylaws can only be proposed until 2 weeks before an election as per current Bylaws. I think that window is closed now so no new edits can be done."
#Eden_CD_funding : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40838 : --CD-- : "... only looking at EOS (not the value of the EOS at time of distribution): Term 1 CDs received: ... - HCD received: ... - Term 2 CDs received: ... - ... Term X ..." - https://t.me/c/1186628781/40849 "" ... politics seems unavoidable :). I think a middle ground reduction is reasonable based on everything I've read. We've not heard from a lot of members mind you, just a vocal few.""
#Eden_Chief_Delegates-meet *12 - Dec 30, 2022 : - "Weekly Meeting discussing Eden on EOS Governance. - https://youtu.be/Ea54XU-D4Qw" -
#Eden_Chief_Delegates-meet *11 - Dec 23, 2022 : - "Weekly Meeting discussing Eden on EOS Governance. - https://youtu.be/OXvb1xHyGe8"
#Eden_DGov_dialogues : https://t.me/c/1186628781/45641 : Eden members invited to: Episode 1 - "Eden DGov Dialogues" podcast on **Wednesday Jan 4th, 2023, 1800 UTC - We'll record and share: - How to participate: ... ""
**#Eden_Ricardian_Contract : https://t.me/c/1186628781/42336 :
--M--" ... the ricardian contract for Eden invitation signing requests is outdated. - ... bylaws require 3 months notice before the next election, conflicts with 3 months terms"
--CD-- : "noted thanks for pointing this out , we will make an issue to update ricardian contracts"
#New_Member welcoming orientations : https://t.me/c/1186628781/41441 : "Anyone interested in quarterly welcoming orientations for potential new members and leaders?"
#Eden_Joking around : https://t.me/c/1186628781/41992 :
--CDa-- : "I was just trying to lighten the mood. If that has caused offence then I apologise. It seemed we had moved past this particular issue ... "
--CDb-- : "It was clearly a joke."
--M1-- : "Joking about a very controversial topic is rarely a good idea."
--CDb-- : "You have to lighten the mood now and again. ... "
--M2-- ; "Ok have fun, I come in 2 hours to read 200 messages lol."
#Eden_Bylaws : continued discussion : https://t.me/c/1186628781/42435
--CDa-- : "This week we went over the Bylaws ... - They're open for commenting and dialogue ... "
--CDb-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/42440 - "awesome...lets leave this open for comment for a few hours and then I'll polish up the final doc tonight to formally present to the community for consideration to be ratified by the next set of CDs."
--CDa-- : " ... feedback directly on the Google doc for candidates this season to read and understand the problem landscape and potentially inform their/our campaigns and how we create consensus/vote."
--CDb-- : " ... it doesn't look like the smart contracts match this. So regardless needs an effort to add this functionality and then amend the wording appropriately."
--CDa-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/42793 - "Ideally next set of CDs carry this forward in: 1. Scraping through Eden code to make sure ... . 2. Adding additional Rights and Responsibilities for CDs and Delegates ... 3. Addressing attack vectors and tensions in ... "
--M1-- : "Generally they look fine to me with one exception: ... "
--M2-- : " ... I will definitely run on not ratifying this ..."
--M3-- : "This is way too generic of a description and I fear that .. "
--M4-- : "Should be stated in the bylaws that we are selecting delegates for the ability to build consensus and lead."
--M5-- : "I propose the current version of this new censorship bylaw be limited to: .."
--M4-- : "Officially proposed Bylaws are due this morning, so many of these ideas are things for the next set of CDs to consider proposing during their term. If .. "
--M-- : "Bylaws can only be proposed until 2 weeks before an election as per current Bylaws. I think that window is closed now so no new edits can be done."
#Eden_CD_funding : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40838 : --CD-- : "... only looking at EOS (not the value of the EOS at time of distribution): Term 1 CDs received: ... - HCD received: ... - Term 2 CDs received: ... - ... Term X ..." - https://t.me/c/1186628781/40849 "" ... politics seems unavoidable :). I think a middle ground reduction is reasonable based on everything I've read. We've not heard from a lot of members mind you, just a vocal few.""
#Eden_Chief_Delegates-meet *12 - Dec 30, 2022 : - "Weekly Meeting discussing Eden on EOS Governance. - https://youtu.be/Ea54XU-D4Qw" -
#Eden_Chief_Delegates-meet *11 - Dec 23, 2022 : - "Weekly Meeting discussing Eden on EOS Governance. - https://youtu.be/OXvb1xHyGe8"
#Eden_DGov_dialogues : https://t.me/c/1186628781/45641 : Eden members invited to: Episode 1 - "Eden DGov Dialogues" podcast on **Wednesday Jan 4th, 2023, 1800 UTC - We'll record and share: - How to participate: ... ""
**#Eden_Ricardian_Contract : https://t.me/c/1186628781/42336 :
--M--" ... the ricardian contract for Eden invitation signing requests is outdated. - ... bylaws require 3 months notice before the next election, conflicts with 3 months terms"
--CD-- : "noted thanks for pointing this out , we will make an issue to update ricardian contracts"
#New_Member welcoming orientations : https://t.me/c/1186628781/41441 : "Anyone interested in quarterly welcoming orientations for potential new members and leaders?"
#Eden_Joking around : https://t.me/c/1186628781/41992 :
--CDa-- : "I was just trying to lighten the mood. If that has caused offence then I apologise. It seemed we had moved past this particular issue ... "
--CDb-- : "It was clearly a joke."
--M1-- : "Joking about a very controversial topic is rarely a good idea."
--CDb-- : "You have to lighten the mood now and again. ... "
--M2-- ; "Ok have fun, I come in 2 hours to read 200 messages lol."
#Recap Eden Member group - up to end of 31 Dec, 2022, (UTC) - (Post 5 of 7)
#Eden_future 21 Dec, 2022 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/41443 :
--M1-- : ""... In my view the challenge to those who want to be CDs and leaders of Eden moving forward, how do you take this moment of divisiveness and find enough common ground to move this experiment forward with the needs, concerns and desires of both sides kept in constant esteem and consideration?""
--M2-- : ".. an excellent summary of where focus needs to be."
--M3-- : "Don't just think about the glorious accomplishments you will have, small things too are also worthy of our attention, and necessary for proper functioning of this org."
--M4-- : "To me Eden is a governance process that allocates resources towards projects that help EOS. Pretty straightforward."
#Eden_3_Horizons Dec 23, 2022 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/41842 : "... What's currently being attempted with the "3 horizons of Eden" model is a start to clarify our shared compass (Where are we going and why would others want to join. And what's is the common thread behind the various projects and proposals seeking funding. Or simply, what is Eden?). ..." - https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/13MlKUPPs4zZFrFzIlQS9UnTcUwKNsSvFWIqBcmIxJLA/edit?usp=drivesdk
#Eden_Poll 4 of these from CDs : Dec 19, 2022 - https://t.me/c/1186628781/40865 : "#Recap partial repeat, for easy find, of these 4 member polls, just in case you not yet given your voice!"
#Eden_Poll - 22 Dec, 2022: https://t.me/c/1186628781/41551 :
--M1-- : " ... I think polling is an art and a science, and we may need to begin at the beginning to discern which questions need to be asked in what order, and ... "
--CD.. : "Good points. Hard to find a balance btw simplicity and details. Hopefully we can start a culture of polling in EDEN and no doubt we will get better."
--M2-- : "Polls currently are binary (yes/no), I mean that could be extended with some texts arguments . I think Consortium could be extented."
--M3-- : "Also we need to come up with ways for more engagement for a more accurate outcome, having 10 participants doesn’t tell you anything"
#Accountability_Transparency : https://t.me/c/1186628781/41577 :
--CD-- "If any Delegate would like to let us know here or in PM I will update this tracker with the results ... " - "If you were a previous Delegate and have a summary that is missing ... " - https://t.me/c/1186628781/43155
--M-- : "No excuse not to display how .. - https://spending.eden.eoscommunity.org/"
--M2-- : "Tried to use spend explorer yet?"
#Eden_Delegate_Roles : https://t.me/c/1186628781/41676 :
--CD-- : "What is CDs Job? Is there a clear job description somewhere? I believe it would be helpful to explicitly state in the bylaws what Rights and responsibilities we're expecting from each layer of delegates. ... "
--M1-- : "Fundamentally the role of CDs is to help the community fulfil its own defined mission as developed in our series of community workshops which ..." - https://t.me/c/1186628781/41428
--CD-- : "... What you're sharing here I believe is critical organising needs to help this community and I started with the assumption that CD's would meet this need as well (and why ... "
--M2-- : "If we are inserting personal preferences, I would much rather see teams coming to get funding for their specific piece of the puzzle, and get their representative voted in ... "
--M1-- : "Yeh perhaps a mix of CD focuses and talents. To be clear, which bit should CDs not all be doing?"
--M3 : "The challenge is how to design the long-term strategies that delegates and CD can align with constantly regardless of who makes it to the top"
--M4-- : "This is one of the best experiments in decentralization around. It's success is up to each of you/us. What should we be doing? This isn't the only place that argues. I think ..."
#Eden_Sybil protection : https://t.me/c/1186628781/39463 :
--M1-- : "QUESTION: "Whats the plan?"
--CD-- : "Contract automatically .. "
--M1-- : "thnx, will check"
--M2-- : "This is the latest code - ..."
#Eden_future 21 Dec, 2022 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/41443 :
--M1-- : ""... In my view the challenge to those who want to be CDs and leaders of Eden moving forward, how do you take this moment of divisiveness and find enough common ground to move this experiment forward with the needs, concerns and desires of both sides kept in constant esteem and consideration?""
--M2-- : ".. an excellent summary of where focus needs to be."
--M3-- : "Don't just think about the glorious accomplishments you will have, small things too are also worthy of our attention, and necessary for proper functioning of this org."
--M4-- : "To me Eden is a governance process that allocates resources towards projects that help EOS. Pretty straightforward."
#Eden_3_Horizons Dec 23, 2022 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/41842 : "... What's currently being attempted with the "3 horizons of Eden" model is a start to clarify our shared compass (Where are we going and why would others want to join. And what's is the common thread behind the various projects and proposals seeking funding. Or simply, what is Eden?). ..." - https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/13MlKUPPs4zZFrFzIlQS9UnTcUwKNsSvFWIqBcmIxJLA/edit?usp=drivesdk
#Eden_Poll 4 of these from CDs : Dec 19, 2022 - https://t.me/c/1186628781/40865 : "#Recap partial repeat, for easy find, of these 4 member polls, just in case you not yet given your voice!"
#Eden_Poll - 22 Dec, 2022: https://t.me/c/1186628781/41551 :
--M1-- : " ... I think polling is an art and a science, and we may need to begin at the beginning to discern which questions need to be asked in what order, and ... "
--CD.. : "Good points. Hard to find a balance btw simplicity and details. Hopefully we can start a culture of polling in EDEN and no doubt we will get better."
--M2-- : "Polls currently are binary (yes/no), I mean that could be extended with some texts arguments . I think Consortium could be extented."
--M3-- : "Also we need to come up with ways for more engagement for a more accurate outcome, having 10 participants doesn’t tell you anything"
#Accountability_Transparency : https://t.me/c/1186628781/41577 :
--CD-- "If any Delegate would like to let us know here or in PM I will update this tracker with the results ... " - "If you were a previous Delegate and have a summary that is missing ... " - https://t.me/c/1186628781/43155
--M-- : "No excuse not to display how .. - https://spending.eden.eoscommunity.org/"
--M2-- : "Tried to use spend explorer yet?"
#Eden_Delegate_Roles : https://t.me/c/1186628781/41676 :
--CD-- : "What is CDs Job? Is there a clear job description somewhere? I believe it would be helpful to explicitly state in the bylaws what Rights and responsibilities we're expecting from each layer of delegates. ... "
--M1-- : "Fundamentally the role of CDs is to help the community fulfil its own defined mission as developed in our series of community workshops which ..." - https://t.me/c/1186628781/41428
--CD-- : "... What you're sharing here I believe is critical organising needs to help this community and I started with the assumption that CD's would meet this need as well (and why ... "
--M2-- : "If we are inserting personal preferences, I would much rather see teams coming to get funding for their specific piece of the puzzle, and get their representative voted in ... "
--M1-- : "Yeh perhaps a mix of CD focuses and talents. To be clear, which bit should CDs not all be doing?"
--M3 : "The challenge is how to design the long-term strategies that delegates and CD can align with constantly regardless of who makes it to the top"
--M4-- : "This is one of the best experiments in decentralization around. It's success is up to each of you/us. What should we be doing? This isn't the only place that argues. I think ..."
#Eden_Sybil protection : https://t.me/c/1186628781/39463 :
--M1-- : "QUESTION: "Whats the plan?"
--CD-- : "Contract automatically .. "
--M1-- : "thnx, will check"
--M2-- : "This is the latest code - ..."
#Recap Eden Member group - up to end of 31 Dec, 2022, (UTC) - (Post 6 of 7)
#Eden_future survey : https://t.me/c/1186628781/39547 : "Would you (*or anyone reading this*) be willing to write out a short list of: A. What you believed/expected Eden to be when joining vs what you experience it as. B. What changes since Genesis do you disagree/agree with?"
#Eden_future : https://t.me/c/1186628781/43235 : 100 Years ahead :
--M1-- : "100 years from now, what should Eden be?"
--M2-- : "A literal network of land-based Edens with .. ?"
--M3-- : "A federation of systems united."
--M4-- : "A worker proposal system"
--M1-- : "Lemme rephrase. 100 years from now what should THIS Eden be."
--M5-- : "in next 10 years generative ai will be too good for eden ... "
--M6-- : " ... a good time to plug in an attempt to do this again! ... " - https://t.me/c/1186628781/43306 - ""3rd horizon in the above""
--M7-- : "Looking at it now :)"
--M8-- : " ... able to gauge and follow what consensus is of its membership ... "
--M9-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/44695 - " .. We're very much still playing from behind and we need to use that to our advantage by avoiding mistakes and roadblocks that others have already faced or are facing. .."
--M10-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/45437 "One good way of setting organisational direction (purpose) is to find a shared-values-driven VISION of the future. The purpose and thus direction might even become obvious. (I would do a community-driven job of this via workshops ... "
#Eden_Poll 31 Dec, 2022 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/45766 : "Let's see if we can find a clear direction here... On chain poll here: ... " - ""In your opinion. What is the primary purpose of EdenonEOS?"" *(Not Eden itself, or the process. But the Genesis.eden community.)*
#Hotstuff_consensus protocol : https://t.me/c/1186628781/44942 :
--M-- : "Hotstuff is the consensus protocol that will be implemented on Antelope with the instant finality upgrade. I'm personally trying to learn more about it now myself."
--UX team-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/44979 : ""What we are really doing is, we are upgrading the consensus model to use the Hotstuff consensus. Hotstuff was originally developed by .. - .. It is state-of-the-art BFT state replication protocol. ... "
--M-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/44994 ".. If we want to talk about governance right now, why not get even more radical with it? .. "
#Eden_Knowledge_Base : https://t.me/c/1186628781/41241 :
--M1-- : "Would someone please run on creating and maintaining a searchable Eden knowledge-base? Sort of a one stop shop for all info related to Eden? We need better signal to noise ratio, better visibility into proposals, who ... "
--M2-- : "It is definitely needed! Even I get lost at times despite daily read many places including here in Telegram. The new web site ..."
#Eden_Fractal as Eden circle : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40539 :
--M-- : "I’d like to see more plans for EdenOnEOS to integrate or include Eden Fractal ..."
--CD-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40550 : "Eden fractal will soon have their circle represented as part of Eden on edenelections.com and have the oppertunity to request funding from CD's."
#AI_Chat_bots : https://t.me/c/1186628781/42637 :
--M1-- : "I can remove this ceaseless regurgitation of AI wordsoup, but I guess I’m not sure if there’s an operator behind it, or if it’s just pure AI run amok in here? Eden member with bot? or just bot ... "
--M2-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/42727 " ... bots not yet ready participate in discussion in a meaningful productive way. I would only consider allow if/when judged safe and silent so not disrupt or spam kind of."
#Eden_future survey : https://t.me/c/1186628781/39547 : "Would you (*or anyone reading this*) be willing to write out a short list of: A. What you believed/expected Eden to be when joining vs what you experience it as. B. What changes since Genesis do you disagree/agree with?"
#Eden_future : https://t.me/c/1186628781/43235 : 100 Years ahead :
--M1-- : "100 years from now, what should Eden be?"
--M2-- : "A literal network of land-based Edens with .. ?"
--M3-- : "A federation of systems united."
--M4-- : "A worker proposal system"
--M1-- : "Lemme rephrase. 100 years from now what should THIS Eden be."
--M5-- : "in next 10 years generative ai will be too good for eden ... "
--M6-- : " ... a good time to plug in an attempt to do this again! ... " - https://t.me/c/1186628781/43306 - ""3rd horizon in the above""
--M7-- : "Looking at it now :)"
--M8-- : " ... able to gauge and follow what consensus is of its membership ... "
--M9-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/44695 - " .. We're very much still playing from behind and we need to use that to our advantage by avoiding mistakes and roadblocks that others have already faced or are facing. .."
--M10-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/45437 "One good way of setting organisational direction (purpose) is to find a shared-values-driven VISION of the future. The purpose and thus direction might even become obvious. (I would do a community-driven job of this via workshops ... "
#Eden_Poll 31 Dec, 2022 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/45766 : "Let's see if we can find a clear direction here... On chain poll here: ... " - ""In your opinion. What is the primary purpose of EdenonEOS?"" *(Not Eden itself, or the process. But the Genesis.eden community.)*
#Hotstuff_consensus protocol : https://t.me/c/1186628781/44942 :
--M-- : "Hotstuff is the consensus protocol that will be implemented on Antelope with the instant finality upgrade. I'm personally trying to learn more about it now myself."
--UX team-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/44979 : ""What we are really doing is, we are upgrading the consensus model to use the Hotstuff consensus. Hotstuff was originally developed by .. - .. It is state-of-the-art BFT state replication protocol. ... "
--M-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/44994 ".. If we want to talk about governance right now, why not get even more radical with it? .. "
#Eden_Knowledge_Base : https://t.me/c/1186628781/41241 :
--M1-- : "Would someone please run on creating and maintaining a searchable Eden knowledge-base? Sort of a one stop shop for all info related to Eden? We need better signal to noise ratio, better visibility into proposals, who ... "
--M2-- : "It is definitely needed! Even I get lost at times despite daily read many places including here in Telegram. The new web site ..."
#Eden_Fractal as Eden circle : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40539 :
--M-- : "I’d like to see more plans for EdenOnEOS to integrate or include Eden Fractal ..."
--CD-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40550 : "Eden fractal will soon have their circle represented as part of Eden on edenelections.com and have the oppertunity to request funding from CD's."
#AI_Chat_bots : https://t.me/c/1186628781/42637 :
--M1-- : "I can remove this ceaseless regurgitation of AI wordsoup, but I guess I’m not sure if there’s an operator behind it, or if it’s just pure AI run amok in here? Eden member with bot? or just bot ... "
--M2-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/42727 " ... bots not yet ready participate in discussion in a meaningful productive way. I would only consider allow if/when judged safe and silent so not disrupt or spam kind of."
#Recap Eden Member group - up to end of 31 Dec, 2022, (UTC) - (Post 7 of 7)
#Membership - 26 Dec : https://t.me/c/1186628781/43137 :
--M1-- : "Members knowing that their inactivity will get them booted has historically been shown to incentivize them to participate. You see this in .. "
--CD-- : "Perhaps with enough consensus among CD's rules can be put in place to do what you have suggested."
--M2-- : "The question is how we define members." - "" .. member candidate, only active members that can show (...) that they joined at least one election (correctly) in the last year."" - https://t.me/c/1186628781/43141
#Hypha_on_EOS : https://t.me/c/1186628781/43388 :
--M1-- : " ... been in action bundle of years developing along the way - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4wkSnXnNdU"
--CD-- : " .. can use on-chain governance to make agreements about off-chain assets (e.g. issuing NFTs (or "Badges") that give admin privileges to token-gated member chats on Telegram, etc)."
--M2-- : " ... address the infrastructure such as Circles that Hypha provides ..."
--CD-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/43401 : "Sure, you can think of a circle as a DAO within a DAO (same concept as Fractals) .. "
#Growing_Pains 28 Dec, 2022 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/43835 :
--M1-- : "Great discussions these past few days, if frustrating at times… these are growing pains, but I've been impressed by the wave of engagement. And Eden is growing up! 🌱 We're at ... "
--M2-- : "Also I’m so tired so I might not be answering your question. Going to hit the hay and read this again in the AM 😄"
--M1-- : "same... I intentionally drop these when folks are totally exhausted after a day of flame wars over the holidays so my words bypass the conscious mind and incept everyone with a desire to be excellent to one another. 😉"
#CoC_proposal draft - 25 Dec, 2022 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/42964 :
--M1-- : "Those in favor of the CoC proposal can contribute to the start of a draft here. - The doc is editable by anyone with the link for now, we'll collectively ... "
--M2-- : "I suggested earlier to run this process through an Eden Fractal circle...if there's interest..."
#Eden_moderation 29 Dec : https://t.me/c/1186628781/44397 : "Thoughts on some moderation here. - Consider avoiding circular discussions - I've seen a few where even those participating in them have acknowledged them to be a distraction and a waste of time - yet the messages keep flowing... (Definitely not all conversations here! Some epic stuff happening!). Also, some members making 100+ messages/day ... "
#Author_Comments: *Many of the discussions above continues!*
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#Membership - 26 Dec : https://t.me/c/1186628781/43137 :
--M1-- : "Members knowing that their inactivity will get them booted has historically been shown to incentivize them to participate. You see this in .. "
--CD-- : "Perhaps with enough consensus among CD's rules can be put in place to do what you have suggested."
--M2-- : "The question is how we define members." - "" .. member candidate, only active members that can show (...) that they joined at least one election (correctly) in the last year."" - https://t.me/c/1186628781/43141
#Hypha_on_EOS : https://t.me/c/1186628781/43388 :
--M1-- : " ... been in action bundle of years developing along the way - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4wkSnXnNdU"
--CD-- : " .. can use on-chain governance to make agreements about off-chain assets (e.g. issuing NFTs (or "Badges") that give admin privileges to token-gated member chats on Telegram, etc)."
--M2-- : " ... address the infrastructure such as Circles that Hypha provides ..."
--CD-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/43401 : "Sure, you can think of a circle as a DAO within a DAO (same concept as Fractals) .. "
#Growing_Pains 28 Dec, 2022 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/43835 :
--M1-- : "Great discussions these past few days, if frustrating at times… these are growing pains, but I've been impressed by the wave of engagement. And Eden is growing up! 🌱 We're at ... "
--M2-- : "Also I’m so tired so I might not be answering your question. Going to hit the hay and read this again in the AM 😄"
--M1-- : "same... I intentionally drop these when folks are totally exhausted after a day of flame wars over the holidays so my words bypass the conscious mind and incept everyone with a desire to be excellent to one another. 😉"
#CoC_proposal draft - 25 Dec, 2022 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/42964 :
--M1-- : "Those in favor of the CoC proposal can contribute to the start of a draft here. - The doc is editable by anyone with the link for now, we'll collectively ... "
--M2-- : "I suggested earlier to run this process through an Eden Fractal circle...if there's interest..."
#Eden_moderation 29 Dec : https://t.me/c/1186628781/44397 : "Thoughts on some moderation here. - Consider avoiding circular discussions - I've seen a few where even those participating in them have acknowledged them to be a distraction and a waste of time - yet the messages keep flowing... (Definitely not all conversations here! Some epic stuff happening!). Also, some members making 100+ messages/day ... "
#Author_Comments: *Many of the discussions above continues!*
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