#Recap Eden Member group (WK45) - posted Sunday 2022-11-13

* #Author_Comments: #68M and related MSIGs discussed but not covered here except for the #Eden_Poll.*

#Eden_Chief_Delegates-meet No.5 - Nov 11, 2022 : “Eden Chief delegates discuss Governance. - https://youtu.be/apgF0XTyP1g“ - “"Live Eden CD meeting Fridays 19:00 UTC - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClag0OaWpM0SQeA7GkutlKg/streams"

#Eden_Dispute_Resolution Lead ? : https://t.me/c/1186628781/38621 :
--CD-- : Eden now have a Dispute Resolution process as part of community rule-set. Need a 'Circle Lead' to organize and run this process. Anyone interested in this role, please speak up!.
--M1-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/38626 : “I would like to offer the idea that the Chief Delegates: … “
--M2-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/38682 : “Some possible responsibilities I can think of are as follows : … “
--CD-- : “Scope: This process addresses the removal of Eden members. Its scope is limited to disputes inside Eden that are affecting the integrity of the system. Violations regarding the Induction process, sybil checks in the first round of election, and different forms of vote buying.”
--M3-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/38739 : “I have now looked over all bylaws and think they make sense. Personally I think cost (timewise & money related) involved can be lowered. Many … “
--CD-- : “I think we should test the current version first before we start working on the changes. These all might be … “
--M3-- : “I agree.”

#Eden_Poll : https://t.me/c/1186628781/38909 : --M1-- : POLL Question: “Should Chief Delegates in the name of EdenOnEOS take a position regarding the 68M EOS "Unburn"?”
--M2-- : “This is a good question, but I’m not sure how relevant this org or the CDs are to the governance of the network at this moment. What kind of … “
--M1-- : “To not take positions, is to relegate ourselves to irrelevance.”
--M4-- : “EdenOnEos is the truest voice of the EOS community. It should and does have opinions on how EOS is governed, therefore, imo it has to act as a voice for the community. And the CDs are …”
--M5-- : “non aggressive positioning with rationale is probably the right way. it would go a long way in adoption and understanding of EdenOnEos. From my point of view, key learning for us as community is to be proactive in governance.”

#Eden_Fractal meeting 22 on Nov 9 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/38758 : “The momentous meeting when we reached consensus and approved the first proposal with the Eden+Fractal process! - https://youtu.be/eJ7g6wWSPKY“

#Eden_Fractal time change! : “Time of weekly meetings changed - now 16:00 UTC Wednesdays. This article includes proposals and reasons to change the time. - https://edencreators.com/time“

#Dan_Larimer Nov/2022 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/38689 : “Part I - Daniel Larimer: #EOS, #PSIBASE, #Antelope, NFTs, fractally and much more! - https://youtu.be/j51Mpe8l0Ng“

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#Recap Eden Member group (WK50) - Sunday 2022-12-18
(Post 1 of 3)

#Eden_Sybil protection : https://t.me/c/1186628781/39463 :
--M1-- : "QUESTION: "Whats the plan?"
--CD-- : "Contract automatically issues SBT when you vote"
--M2-- : "Created github repo for ntt and badge issuer. ntt repo is ... - ... and badge issuer repo is ... - ... . Working on hashing out further details in these."
--M1-- : "thnx, will check"
--M2-- : "This is the latest code - ..."

#Eden_future survey : https://t.me/c/1186628781/39547 : "Would you (or anyone reading this) be willing write out a short list of:
A. What you believed/expected Eden to be when joining vs what you experience it as.
B. What changes since Genesis do you disagree/agree with?"

#Eden_Horizons : https://t.me/c/1186628781/39620 : "For those wanting to just watch the "3 Horizons of Eden" part of last CD's session (*as I'm still looking for more feedback from members here*) - It's a first attempt at bringing together all the offerings of Eden into a simple format. - https://youtu.be/qj4ULqtfVNs - Let me know what I'm missing!"

#Eden_Poll 1 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/39550 : "Stance on the 500k EOS donation to Eden from B1 - *May select multiple options* - Any major stances missing?"

#Eden_Poll 2 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/39845 : "Member dues are currently on the table for consideration for by-laws changes. - At Genesis Eden membership dues were ~$50. Today it's ~$3. What range should dues be? ... "

#Eden_Poll 3 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/39853 : "Should polls remain anonymous? For: Decreases potential for retribution against members and their positions Against: Increases potential for non-members/Sybil/bots/etc to manipulate a poll ... "

#Eden_Poll 4 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/39859 : "Should Membership Dues be charged: ... - *Choose multiple options you support*"

#Eden_Poll process : "You can always go back and change your vote if things change based on discussion :). Just click on the poll text and click "retract vote" and vote again. All polls in the "Eden Sense Making" channel will remain open for voting, so new members can go and add their sentiments when they join and existing members can go and update their perspectives at any time."

#Eden_UpVote_bot test 1 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/39582 : "I want to see how people respond when they are not prepared, its better stress test that way. Simulates chaos :). The links and all the instructions will be shared in tester group" - "The Up Vote Bot test was successful, thank you everyone who joined. ..."

#Dispute_Resolution : https://t.me/c/1186628781/39638 :
--CD-- : "Dispute resolution system - Recap: 1. Person A wants to remove Person B, 2. A finds 3 other members to endorse B’s removal, 3. A posts $ ... - ... 12. If defendant wins, B gets ... "
--M1-- : "I've not studied the proposed model in that much depth yet but what jumps out at me is that 2 weeks is too short a time period. No member should need to check in every thirteen days or risk being removed in absentia. At the very least, a month. I mean, you could go on holiday and be removed before you got back."

#Eden_Funds distribution : https://t.me/c/1186628781/39790 : "The last payments will be for the remaining time of Current CDs, so the payment will be pro rated to 1 day. After the election a new distribution for the next 30 days will be available for newly elected delegates. - https://t.me/c/1186628781/39800 : "Eden distributes funds in advance. You ... "

#Accountability : https://t.me/c/1186628781/39807 : "There should be accountability towards where the money is being put to use. Hopefully next set of CDs use the spend explorer tools - https://spending.eden.eoscommunity.org"

#Bylaws : https://t.me/c/1186628781/39810 : QUESTION: "Anyone have a handy link to current bylaws?" - ANSWER: https://www.edenelections.com/eden-bylaws"

#Recap partial repeat, for easy find, of these 4 member polls, just in case you not yet given your voice!

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#Eden_Poll 1 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/39550 : "Stance on the 500k EOS donation to Eden from B1 - *May select multiple options* - Any major stances missing?"

#Eden_Poll 2 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/39845 : "Member dues are currently on the table for consideration for by-laws changes. - At Genesis Eden membership dues were ~$50. Today it's ~$3. What range should dues be? ... " 

#Eden_Poll 3 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/39853 : "Should polls remain anonymous?  For: Decreases potential for retribution against members and their positions   Against: Increases potential for non-members/Sybil/bots/etc to manipulate a poll ... "

#Eden_Poll 4 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/39859 : "Should Membership Dues be charged: ... - *Choose multiple options you support*"

#Eden_Poll process : "You can always go back and change your vote if things change based on discussion :). Just click on the poll text and click "retract vote" and vote again. All polls in the "Eden Sense Making" channel will remain open for voting, so new members can go and add their sentiments when they join and existing members can go and update their perspectives at any time."
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#Recap Eden Member group - up to end of 31 Dec, 2022, (UTC) - (Post 5 of 7)

#Eden_future 21 Dec, 2022 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/41443 :
--M1-- : ""... In my view the challenge to those who want to be CDs and leaders of Eden moving forward, how do you take this moment of divisiveness and find enough common ground to move this experiment forward with the needs, concerns and desires of both sides kept in constant esteem and consideration?""
--M2-- : ".. an excellent summary of where focus needs to be."
--M3-- : "Don't just think about the glorious accomplishments you will have, small things too are also worthy of our attention, and necessary for proper functioning of this org."
--M4-- : "To me Eden is a governance process that allocates resources towards projects that help EOS. Pretty straightforward."

#Eden_3_Horizons Dec 23, 2022 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/41842 : "... What's currently being attempted with the "3 horizons of Eden" model is a start to clarify our shared compass (Where are we going and why would others want to join. And what's is the common thread behind the various projects and proposals seeking funding. Or simply, what is Eden?). ..." - https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/13MlKUPPs4zZFrFzIlQS9UnTcUwKNsSvFWIqBcmIxJLA/edit?usp=drivesdk

#Eden_Poll 4 of these from CDs : Dec 19, 2022 - https://t.me/c/1186628781/40865 : "#Recap partial repeat, for easy find, of these 4 member polls, just in case you not yet given your voice!"

#Eden_Poll - 22 Dec, 2022: https://t.me/c/1186628781/41551 :
--M1-- : " ... I think polling is an art and a science, and we may need to begin at the beginning to discern which questions need to be asked in what order, and ... "
--CD.. : "Good points. Hard to find a balance btw simplicity and details. Hopefully we can start a culture of polling in EDEN and no doubt we will get better."
--M2-- : "Polls currently are binary (yes/no), I mean that could be extended with some texts arguments . I think Consortium could be extented."
--M3-- : "Also we need to come up with ways for more engagement for a more accurate outcome, having 10 participants doesn’t tell you anything"

#Accountability_Transparency : https://t.me/c/1186628781/41577 :
--CD-- "If any Delegate would like to let us know here or in PM I will update this tracker with the results ... " - "If you were a previous Delegate and have a summary that is missing ... " - https://t.me/c/1186628781/43155
--M-- : "No excuse not to display how .. - https://spending.eden.eoscommunity.org/"
--M2-- : "Tried to use spend explorer yet?"

#Eden_Delegate_Roles : https://t.me/c/1186628781/41676 :
--CD-- : "What is CDs Job? Is there a clear job description somewhere? I believe it would be helpful to explicitly state in the bylaws what Rights and responsibilities we're expecting from each layer of delegates. ... "
--M1-- : "Fundamentally the role of CDs is to help the community fulfil its own defined mission as developed in our series of community workshops which ..." - https://t.me/c/1186628781/41428
--CD-- : "... What you're sharing here I believe is critical organising needs to help this community and I started with the assumption that CD's would meet this need as well (and why ... "
--M2-- : "If we are inserting personal preferences, I would much rather see teams coming to get funding for their specific piece of the puzzle, and get their representative voted in ... "
--M1-- : "Yeh perhaps a mix of CD focuses and talents. To be clear, which bit should CDs not all be doing?"
--M3 : "The challenge is how to design the long-term strategies that delegates and CD can align with constantly regardless of who makes it to the top"
--M4-- : "This is one of the best experiments in decentralization around. It's success is up to each of you/us. What should we be doing? This isn't the only place that argues. I think ..."

#Eden_Sybil protection : https://t.me/c/1186628781/39463 :
--M1-- : "QUESTION: "Whats the plan?"
--CD-- : "Contract automatically .. "
--M1-- : "thnx, will check"
--M2-- : "This is the latest code - ..."

#Recap Eden Member group - up to end of 31 Dec, 2022, (UTC) - (Post 6 of 7)

#Eden_future survey : https://t.me/c/1186628781/39547 : "Would you (*or anyone reading this*) be willing to write out a short list of: A. What you believed/expected Eden to be when joining vs what you experience it as. B. What changes since Genesis do you disagree/agree with?"

#Eden_future : https://t.me/c/1186628781/43235 : 100 Years ahead :
--M1-- : "100 years from now, what should Eden be?"
--M2-- : "A literal network of land-based Edens with .. ?"
--M3-- : "A federation of systems united."
--M4-- : "A worker proposal system"
--M1-- : "Lemme rephrase. 100 years from now what should THIS Eden be."
--M5-- : "in next 10 years generative ai will be too good for eden ... "
--M6-- : " ... a good time to plug in an attempt to do this again! ... " - https://t.me/c/1186628781/43306 - ""3rd horizon in the above""
--M7-- : "Looking at it now :)"
--M8-- : " ... able to gauge and follow what consensus is of its membership ... "
--M9-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/44695 - " .. We're very much still playing from behind and we need to use that to our advantage by avoiding mistakes and roadblocks that others have already faced or are facing. .."
--M10-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/45437 "One good way of setting organisational direction (purpose) is to find a shared-values-driven VISION of the future. The purpose and thus direction might even become obvious. (I would do a community-driven job of this via workshops ... "

#Eden_Poll 31 Dec, 2022 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/45766 : "Let's see if we can find a clear direction here... On chain poll here: ... " - ""In your opinion. What is the primary purpose of EdenonEOS?"" *(Not Eden itself, or the process. But the Genesis.eden community.)*

#Hotstuff_consensus protocol : https://t.me/c/1186628781/44942 :
--M-- : "Hotstuff is the consensus protocol that will be implemented on Antelope with the instant finality upgrade. I'm personally trying to learn more about it now myself."
--UX team-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/44979 : ""What we are really doing is, we are upgrading the consensus model to use the Hotstuff consensus. Hotstuff was originally developed by .. - .. It is state-of-the-art BFT state replication protocol. ... "
--M-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/44994 ".. If we want to talk about governance right now, why not get even more radical with it? .. "

#Eden_Knowledge_Base : https://t.me/c/1186628781/41241 :
--M1-- : "Would someone please run on creating and maintaining a searchable Eden knowledge-base? Sort of a one stop shop for all info related to Eden? We need better signal to noise ratio, better visibility into proposals, who ... "
--M2-- : "It is definitely needed! Even I get lost at times despite daily read many places including here in Telegram. The new web site ..."

#Eden_Fractal as Eden circle : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40539 :
--M-- : "I’d like to see more plans for EdenOnEOS to integrate or include Eden Fractal ..."
--CD-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40550 : "Eden fractal will soon have their circle represented as part of Eden on edenelections.com and have the oppertunity to request funding from CD's."

#AI_Chat_bots : https://t.me/c/1186628781/42637 :
--M1-- : "I can remove this ceaseless regurgitation of AI wordsoup, but I guess I’m not sure if there’s an operator behind it, or if it’s just pure AI run amok in here? Eden member with bot? or just bot ... "
--M2-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/42727 " ... bots not yet ready participate in discussion in a meaningful productive way. I would only consider allow if/when judged safe and silent so not disrupt or spam kind of."