#Recap Eden Member group - up to end of 31 Dec, 2022, (UTC) -
posted Mon 2 Jan, 2023 - (Post 1 of 7)
(Next Eden Member Recap - Sun 8 Jan)
#Author_Comments: *If reader wish more related EOS and Eden material https://t.me/Recaps_EOS posted Saturday 31st Dec 2022 might have what you seek. #Recaps Eden Member group meant to give a hint of main discussion topics, at times with dates and/or links which take members to the original posts"*
#Eden_Chief_Delegates-meet – Dec 16, 2022 : (#Recap_repeat) : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40331 - Weekly Meeting #10 - https://youtu.be/TGpO_ujmp4Q
#Eden_Chief_Delegate_Proposals - 18/12/22 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40380 : "The Chief Delegates (Chris, Jesse, Xavier, Reiki, Waxa) recently conducted their 10th Weekly Meeting" - https://www.edenelections.com/post/eden-chief-delegate-proposal-18-12-22
#Eden_CD_Proposals Term 4 - 18 Dec, 2022 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40316 : "NONE OF THE BELOW IS YET TO BE AN OFFICIAL PROPOSAL BY THE CDs. PLEASE GIVE YOUR FEEDBACK. - Hey everyone, here’s a recap from the last CD call:
- We came to consensus on a modified funding model. The idea is to pull ...
- If the OpEx account is used to fund initiatives that have CD consensus, the ...
- We plan on creating an msig to request funding ...
- We agreed that funding two distinct membership paths is ...
We would like to emphasize that none of the above has been executed. We are open to feedback from all vantage points. To conclude, we ... "
#Eden_Member - few feedbacks and CD words up to Dec 23, 2022:
--M1-- : 18/12 https://t.me/c/1186628781/40325 "... you are removing the base protection that each CD is approving their portion of the budget; you should at least sugest bylaw change, this is a big depature from how eden worked till now ... "
--CDa-- https://t.me/c/1186628781/40320 "... its not that terrible in context of the recent source of funds and their intended purpose. The use in this case is to start other Edens, not some random ... "
--M2-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40382 "Why are we jumping the gun on starting other language sections already guys?"
--M3-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40427 "The Member Removal action is a good initiative and I like it getting polished. But another similar action ... "
--M1-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40429 "CDs did ask for feedback, so hopefully the changes will only be proposed via bylaw update for next CDs, and not acted on now."
--M4-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40435 "Current CDs shouldnt be spending huge chunks of treasury before next election."
--M5-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40505 "... this exchange and proposed multipoint pinned plan is leaning towards questionable intent for the first time, for me."
--M6-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40586 "... why have elections to select CDs if we’re going to try to micromanage them?"
--M7-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40633 "... it is the CDs that are pushing the narrative and not taking into account the views of the rest of the layers. Only when we .. "
--CDb-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40634 "... my views are changing as we are getting feedback, feedback is a time to change perspectives - https://t.me/c/1186628781/40652 "... we thought it had widespread support, and I'm happy to have messaged in here before taking action.""
--M8-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40986 "All in all, my main takeaways from reading through the discussion that has ensued since the various proposals floated by current CDs can be stated briefly as: All power comes from consent, & when in doubt, ratify. ... " - ""L1 Delegate Distribution .. , Multi-language Eden support & The OpEx Pool .. , Rate of Treasury Emissions .. , Two Tiered Membership ... - Conclusion ... ""
#Recap Eden Member group - up to end of 31 Dec, 2022, (UTC) - (Post 2 of 7)
posted Mon 2 Jan, 2023 - (Post 1 of 7)
(Next Eden Member Recap - Sun 8 Jan)
#Author_Comments: *If reader wish more related EOS and Eden material https://t.me/Recaps_EOS posted Saturday 31st Dec 2022 might have what you seek. #Recaps Eden Member group meant to give a hint of main discussion topics, at times with dates and/or links which take members to the original posts"*
#Eden_Chief_Delegates-meet – Dec 16, 2022 : (#Recap_repeat) : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40331 - Weekly Meeting #10 - https://youtu.be/TGpO_ujmp4Q
#Eden_Chief_Delegate_Proposals - 18/12/22 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40380 : "The Chief Delegates (Chris, Jesse, Xavier, Reiki, Waxa) recently conducted their 10th Weekly Meeting" - https://www.edenelections.com/post/eden-chief-delegate-proposal-18-12-22
#Eden_CD_Proposals Term 4 - 18 Dec, 2022 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40316 : "NONE OF THE BELOW IS YET TO BE AN OFFICIAL PROPOSAL BY THE CDs. PLEASE GIVE YOUR FEEDBACK. - Hey everyone, here’s a recap from the last CD call:
- We came to consensus on a modified funding model. The idea is to pull ...
- If the OpEx account is used to fund initiatives that have CD consensus, the ...
- We plan on creating an msig to request funding ...
- We agreed that funding two distinct membership paths is ...
We would like to emphasize that none of the above has been executed. We are open to feedback from all vantage points. To conclude, we ... "
#Eden_Member - few feedbacks and CD words up to Dec 23, 2022:
--M1-- : 18/12 https://t.me/c/1186628781/40325 "... you are removing the base protection that each CD is approving their portion of the budget; you should at least sugest bylaw change, this is a big depature from how eden worked till now ... "
--CDa-- https://t.me/c/1186628781/40320 "... its not that terrible in context of the recent source of funds and their intended purpose. The use in this case is to start other Edens, not some random ... "
--M2-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40382 "Why are we jumping the gun on starting other language sections already guys?"
--M3-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40427 "The Member Removal action is a good initiative and I like it getting polished. But another similar action ... "
--M1-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40429 "CDs did ask for feedback, so hopefully the changes will only be proposed via bylaw update for next CDs, and not acted on now."
--M4-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40435 "Current CDs shouldnt be spending huge chunks of treasury before next election."
--M5-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40505 "... this exchange and proposed multipoint pinned plan is leaning towards questionable intent for the first time, for me."
--M6-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40586 "... why have elections to select CDs if we’re going to try to micromanage them?"
--M7-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40633 "... it is the CDs that are pushing the narrative and not taking into account the views of the rest of the layers. Only when we .. "
--CDb-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40634 "... my views are changing as we are getting feedback, feedback is a time to change perspectives - https://t.me/c/1186628781/40652 "... we thought it had widespread support, and I'm happy to have messaged in here before taking action.""
--M8-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40986 "All in all, my main takeaways from reading through the discussion that has ensued since the various proposals floated by current CDs can be stated briefly as: All power comes from consent, & when in doubt, ratify. ... " - ""L1 Delegate Distribution .. , Multi-language Eden support & The OpEx Pool .. , Rate of Treasury Emissions .. , Two Tiered Membership ... - Conclusion ... ""
#Recap Eden Member group - up to end of 31 Dec, 2022, (UTC) - (Post 2 of 7)
#Recap Eden Member group - up to end of 31 Dec, 2022, (UTC) - (Post 2 of 7)
#Eden_Member comment 19 Dec, 2022 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40854 :
--M1-- : "Just. Caught. Up.... 😅 It sure can be punishing to entertain the illusion one might enjoy a peaceful Sunday now and then... 😂 This community always surprises and delights. A coherent single response to all this in the morning... (took notes on my evening read through the 400 odd messages) Good night my fellow Space Monkeys! 🛸🐒🛸"
--M2-- : "Who admins this group? Why is this hostile rhetoric tolerated?""
--CD-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/41418 : "Thanks for the EPIC discussion! The proposal to clarify the role that CDs are playing in Eden - was just that, a proposal, to start this dialogue and process. However, ... ""
#ESP_ESPx Announcement Dec 23, 2022 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/41883 ;
--CD-- : "Announcing the Eden Smart Proxy - A solution to align the interests of BPs, token holders & #EOS network that will inspire the entire #blockchain industry. #ESPx intends to maximize accountability, transparency & integrity of the $EOS mainnet." - ""To read the Litepaper visit here: https://proxy.eden.eoscommunity.org - To actually understand what ESPx watch here https://youtu.be/YuGVXG-IkpA""
#Eden_Member (some are BPs) feedback & CD words Dec 23-24 and onward:
--CDa-- : "I think the Eden Smart Proxy will be something for members to consider as a function this group can do beyond just allocate funds. Definitely looking for feedback if anyone has looked at it yet!!"
--M1-- : "The only constant is change, but change must happen more slowly than our capacity to adapt to change, or consensus is lost, and we fall apart."
--M2-- : "Improving the existing .. while also inventing emerging .. "
--M3-- : "So many brilliant hard working community members seeming on different sides of the battle, so it's a bit horrifying to see, but the hope of governance working is somewhat reassuring. Let's be sure no soldiers fall in the battle, as we need each warrior for the future."
--M4-- & BP : " ... so ESP is cool supporting bps that are actively vote buying but say they wont eventually?" - ""I've made it a point to stand by my position and explain it... but sounds like really we just want folks to be like "yeah im on board" but not really have any reason to change :)""
--CDa-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/42354 ????? "I think you're being a bit harsh. We are working on getting stake...this was just announced yesterday."
--M5-- & BP : "The lite paper does define a 2 month grace period. This is why we haven’t pledged anything, because we’re not going to stop in 2 months if this proxy has like 10m votes. That’s not enough." - ""Well take the pledge when there’s a realistic chance of it happening. You don’t pledge to quit your job when you don’t have anything lined up.""
--M6-- : "How are the funds received by the BPs going to be offset so harm is not caused to our community creators relying on their expertise and staff? ... "
--M5-- & BP : "This notion that block producers are expected to do everything isn’t healthy. We needed other opportunities for people to get involved and fill in those gaps to lessen the burden on these organizations, and we have that now. Right here, in this channel, is another one of those organizations - Eden. The candidates and members here are funded to do whatever is beneficial to the network and its users, while using this experimental election process as the means to decide who gets what."
--M6-- : "My concern is that just because we’re smart individuals doesn’t mean everyone is qualified to make an informed decision on BPs"
--CDb-- : "The damage ... has already been done! "We are trying to fix that. ... " - https://t.me/c/1186628781/43566
--M7-- : "One question I have in terms of macro impact: .. " - "" .. is there a chance that there may be material negative consequences? Perhaps .. " - https://t.me/c/1186628781/43624
--M8-- : "I think its pretty clear that proxy is centralised for now"
#Eden_Member comment 19 Dec, 2022 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/40854 :
--M1-- : "Just. Caught. Up.... 😅 It sure can be punishing to entertain the illusion one might enjoy a peaceful Sunday now and then... 😂 This community always surprises and delights. A coherent single response to all this in the morning... (took notes on my evening read through the 400 odd messages) Good night my fellow Space Monkeys! 🛸🐒🛸"
--M2-- : "Who admins this group? Why is this hostile rhetoric tolerated?""
--CD-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/41418 : "Thanks for the EPIC discussion! The proposal to clarify the role that CDs are playing in Eden - was just that, a proposal, to start this dialogue and process. However, ... ""
#ESP_ESPx Announcement Dec 23, 2022 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/41883 ;
--CD-- : "Announcing the Eden Smart Proxy - A solution to align the interests of BPs, token holders & #EOS network that will inspire the entire #blockchain industry. #ESPx intends to maximize accountability, transparency & integrity of the $EOS mainnet." - ""To read the Litepaper visit here: https://proxy.eden.eoscommunity.org - To actually understand what ESPx watch here https://youtu.be/YuGVXG-IkpA""
#Eden_Member (some are BPs) feedback & CD words Dec 23-24 and onward:
--CDa-- : "I think the Eden Smart Proxy will be something for members to consider as a function this group can do beyond just allocate funds. Definitely looking for feedback if anyone has looked at it yet!!"
--M1-- : "The only constant is change, but change must happen more slowly than our capacity to adapt to change, or consensus is lost, and we fall apart."
--M2-- : "Improving the existing .. while also inventing emerging .. "
--M3-- : "So many brilliant hard working community members seeming on different sides of the battle, so it's a bit horrifying to see, but the hope of governance working is somewhat reassuring. Let's be sure no soldiers fall in the battle, as we need each warrior for the future."
--M4-- & BP : " ... so ESP is cool supporting bps that are actively vote buying but say they wont eventually?" - ""I've made it a point to stand by my position and explain it... but sounds like really we just want folks to be like "yeah im on board" but not really have any reason to change :)""
--CDa-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/42354 ????? "I think you're being a bit harsh. We are working on getting stake...this was just announced yesterday."
--M5-- & BP : "The lite paper does define a 2 month grace period. This is why we haven’t pledged anything, because we’re not going to stop in 2 months if this proxy has like 10m votes. That’s not enough." - ""Well take the pledge when there’s a realistic chance of it happening. You don’t pledge to quit your job when you don’t have anything lined up.""
--M6-- : "How are the funds received by the BPs going to be offset so harm is not caused to our community creators relying on their expertise and staff? ... "
--M5-- & BP : "This notion that block producers are expected to do everything isn’t healthy. We needed other opportunities for people to get involved and fill in those gaps to lessen the burden on these organizations, and we have that now. Right here, in this channel, is another one of those organizations - Eden. The candidates and members here are funded to do whatever is beneficial to the network and its users, while using this experimental election process as the means to decide who gets what."
--M6-- : "My concern is that just because we’re smart individuals doesn’t mean everyone is qualified to make an informed decision on BPs"
--CDb-- : "The damage ... has already been done! "We are trying to fix that. ... " - https://t.me/c/1186628781/43566
--M7-- : "One question I have in terms of macro impact: .. " - "" .. is there a chance that there may be material negative consequences? Perhaps .. " - https://t.me/c/1186628781/43624
--M8-- : "I think its pretty clear that proxy is centralised for now"
#Eden_Member (some are BPs) feedback & CD words Dec 23-24 and onward: (continued from previous post)
--M9-- : "It intends to be centralized but with transparency to replace the current 1-2 persons centralization ... " - https://t.me/c/1186628781/43647
--CDc-- : "As far as I know it will be the most decentralised proxy on EOS."
--M10-- : ".. imo ESPx should operate a separate software for your ESPx(myvote), not using the current Eden, and I don't want to be embroiled in 1000-message debate😂"
--M11-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/43743 "Would BPs paying "advisory fees" to a large whales (*or people who have influence over certain whales*) be considered the same as vote buying under the rules of ESP?"
--CDa-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/44065 ".. BPs who are paying this would need to clearly articulate this, and .."
--M12-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/44127 " ... many acknowledge the current system is not ideal. So forming a Governance+ working group in light of this surge of community engagement could be a positive move. ..."
#Eden_Bylaws : current version ratified October 28, 2022 : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pYLSi6nZXEDAqKkN-t6bNomtno8fHjGJBtJBWUZ0X9U/edit?usp=sharing
#Eden_Bylaws : proposed amendments, Term 4 to 5, Dec24, 2022: "https://docs.google.com/document/d/1s26SHC6Tj16lrHkvIPSRWmLRNAuYRdQ3oRFj7Fk0JRs/edit?usp=sharing"
#Eden_Bylaws discussions 20-24 Dec, 2022 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/41193 :
--CDa-- : "As things stand you are most certainly correct that we shouldn't propose an drastic changes to the bylaws simply because there isn't enough time to get feedback on the wording. For me the only change I'd like to see ... ""
--M1-- : "https://t.me/c/1186628781/41198 ... as a CD you can propose any bylaw, but next set of CDs vote on the whole document (so if you want it to be ratified, only changes with strong support should be added).
--CDb__ : https://t.me/c/1186628781/42063 "The CDs are considering proposing a Bylaw to expand the scope of Dispute Resolution claims to include repeated insults towards other members. That means ... "
--M2-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/42127 "In Eden a case must be made for the dispute resolution process to run."
--CDc-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/42131 "I'm open minded and haven't yet found a consensus to get behind. ... " - ""IMO it would be a waste (and end up with bylaws too long to read) to attempt to detail every scenario. But very helpful to detail ... " https://t.me/c/1186628781/42214
**#Eden_Bylaws : current version ratified October 28, 2022 : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pYLSi6nZXEDAqKkN-t6bNomtno8fHjGJBtJBWUZ0X9U/edit?usp=sharing
#Eden_Bylaws : proposed amendments, Term 4 to 5, Dec 24, 2022 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/42435 : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1s26SHC6Tj16lrHkvIPSRWmLRNAuYRdQ3oRFj7Fk0JRs/edit?usp=sharing
--M9-- : "It intends to be centralized but with transparency to replace the current 1-2 persons centralization ... " - https://t.me/c/1186628781/43647
--CDc-- : "As far as I know it will be the most decentralised proxy on EOS."
--M10-- : ".. imo ESPx should operate a separate software for your ESPx(myvote), not using the current Eden, and I don't want to be embroiled in 1000-message debate😂"
--M11-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/43743 "Would BPs paying "advisory fees" to a large whales (*or people who have influence over certain whales*) be considered the same as vote buying under the rules of ESP?"
--CDa-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/44065 ".. BPs who are paying this would need to clearly articulate this, and .."
--M12-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/44127 " ... many acknowledge the current system is not ideal. So forming a Governance+ working group in light of this surge of community engagement could be a positive move. ..."
#Eden_Bylaws : current version ratified October 28, 2022 : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pYLSi6nZXEDAqKkN-t6bNomtno8fHjGJBtJBWUZ0X9U/edit?usp=sharing
#Eden_Bylaws : proposed amendments, Term 4 to 5, Dec24, 2022: "https://docs.google.com/document/d/1s26SHC6Tj16lrHkvIPSRWmLRNAuYRdQ3oRFj7Fk0JRs/edit?usp=sharing"
#Eden_Bylaws discussions 20-24 Dec, 2022 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/41193 :
--CDa-- : "As things stand you are most certainly correct that we shouldn't propose an drastic changes to the bylaws simply because there isn't enough time to get feedback on the wording. For me the only change I'd like to see ... ""
--M1-- : "https://t.me/c/1186628781/41198 ... as a CD you can propose any bylaw, but next set of CDs vote on the whole document (so if you want it to be ratified, only changes with strong support should be added).
--CDb__ : https://t.me/c/1186628781/42063 "The CDs are considering proposing a Bylaw to expand the scope of Dispute Resolution claims to include repeated insults towards other members. That means ... "
--M2-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/42127 "In Eden a case must be made for the dispute resolution process to run."
--CDc-- : https://t.me/c/1186628781/42131 "I'm open minded and haven't yet found a consensus to get behind. ... " - ""IMO it would be a waste (and end up with bylaws too long to read) to attempt to detail every scenario. But very helpful to detail ... " https://t.me/c/1186628781/42214
**#Eden_Bylaws : current version ratified October 28, 2022 : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pYLSi6nZXEDAqKkN-t6bNomtno8fHjGJBtJBWUZ0X9U/edit?usp=sharing
#Eden_Bylaws : proposed amendments, Term 4 to 5, Dec 24, 2022 : https://t.me/c/1186628781/42435 : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1s26SHC6Tj16lrHkvIPSRWmLRNAuYRdQ3oRFj7Fk0JRs/edit?usp=sharing