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Bringing you news from around the 🌍, we ask the questions mainstream media avoid. Hosted by Afshin Rattansi, broadcast globally. Our Channel: https://rumble.com/c/GoingUnderground
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🚨EU PANICS AS TRUMP SEEKS TO DRAW DOWN US🇺🇸 PRESENCE IN EUROPE

‘Europe has pushed the panic button because they are contemplating a future in which their American partner drifts off into the sunset, removes its troops, pulls out of NATO.’

‘I actually don’t think that’s going to happen because I don’t see what’s in it for Trump to dismantle the West and to pull out of NATO. But the Europeans have no choice but to ask that question…is Europe over time going to acquire more geopolitical heft and military capability? Yes. But it’s going to take a very long time. And that’s one of the reasons why I think at the end of the day, the Europeans will do their best to keep American troops and to keep Donald Trump anchored on the other side of the Atlantic.’

-Prof. Charles Kupchan, former National Security Council Director for European Affairs under Presidents Obama and Clinton, and Senior Fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, joins us on Saturday’s Going Underground

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🇷🇺🇺🇦AFSHIN RATTANSI VS OBAMA’S NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL DIRECTOR ON NEO-NAZIS IN UKRAINE:

‘I don’t think the fact that Zelensky is Jewish means that we have to disbelieve our own eyes over all the Nazi insignia that we saw on the frontlines in the East.’

-Afshin Rattansi challenges Prof. Charles Kupchan, former National Security Council Director for European Affairs under Presidents Obama and Clinton, and Senior Fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, on Going Underground

FULL INTERVIEW: https://rumble.com/v6qmdho-afshin-rattansi-vs-obamas-nsc-director-prof.-charles-kupchan-on-the-ukraine.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp
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Zelensky on Stepan Bandera, ally of Adolf Hitler and founder of the OUN, which helped the Waffen SS kill 800,000 Jews and 44,000 Poles:

‘Stepan Bandera is a hero for some percentage of Ukrainians. That’s cool. This is one of those people who defended the freedom of Ukraine’
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🇷🇺🇺🇦Afshin Rattansi challenges President Clinton’s and Obama’s National Security Council Director for European Affairs Prof. Charles Kupchan on the 2014 Maidan Coup and Victoria Nuland’s infamous role in picking the new post-coup government

FULL INTERVIEW: https://rumble.com/v6qmdho-afshin-rattansi-vs-obamas-nsc-director-prof.-charles-kupchan-on-the-ukraine.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp
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🇺🇸🇺🇦Here’s Victoria Nuland’s leaked phone call with the US Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt after the 2014 Maidan Coup. The call shows it was the US calling the shots in the post-coup government.
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🚨🇸🇾Afshin Rattansi challenges President Clinton and Obama’s National Security Council Director for European Affairs Prof. Charles Kupchan on think tanks’ and Washington’s support for Al Qaeda and its allies in Syria since 2011, which has resulted in massacres against Alawites and Christians since Al Jolani/Al-Sharaa took power

FULL INTERVIEW: https://rumble.com/v6qmdho-afshin-rattansi-vs-obamas-nsc-director-prof.-charles-kupchan-on-the-ukraine.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp
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Biden’s National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan to Hillary Clinton in 2012:

‘Al Qaeda is on our side in Syria.’

We were sold a web of lies about the War on Terror, only for the US government to ally with Al Qaeda in Syria

The massacres of Christians and Alawites is the result
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UK🇬🇧 PM Sir Keir Starmer says the UK is now moving to an ‘operational phase’ when it comes to attempting to enforce a negotiated deal in Ukraine.

More delusion on the Island of Irrelevancy…Russia has made it crystal clear that NATO troops in Ukraine mean direct conflict.

The whole point of the SMO in Ukraine from the point of view of Putin was to PREVENT NATO troops from being on Ukraine’s soil…

So what makes Sir Keir Starmer think Russia would magically allow UK and other NATO nation troops to deploy in Ukraine as part of a peace deal?

While Russia and the US negotiate based on realities, Europe and Britain continue to announce their delusional plans which neither superpower is seriously listening to.

All of this is theatre for domestic political consumption, to attempt to convince the populations of the UK and Europe that their leaders are doing something of consequence. In reality it’s nonsensical meaningless noise, that the rest of the world is listening to in a state of astonishment, and confusion.
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On this day in 2003, 23-year-old US peace activist Rachel Corrie was run over and killed by an Israeli bulldozer while standing in front of a Palestinian home with a family still inside, protesting and attempting to protect it from demolition by Israel.
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🚨MONDAY’S GOING UNDERGROUND

What is fuelling the UK’s🇬🇧 bizarre and delusional policy in trying to continue the Ukraine🇺🇦 proxy war and putting itself on a direct collision course with Russia🇷🇺?

We will be joined by Lord Skidelsky, one of the greatest economic historians of the 20th Century, who will explain the motivations behind the UK’s policy with regards to the Ukraine proxy war, which has so far been an unending disaster

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🚨🇬🇧🇷🇺LORD SKIDELSKY: YUGOSLAVIA EXPOSED THE LIE THAT NATO IS A PURELY DEFENSIVE ORGANISATION

'The bombing of Yugoslavia in 1997 wasn't authorised by the United Nations, it was a NATO operation, and it gives the lie to the idea that NATO is a purely defensive organisation. I think if you're also trying to work out what the Russian attitude has been, ever since the collapse of the Soviet Union, there's been a consistent opposition to the eastward expansion of NATO. That's running consistently from Gorbachev, Yeltsin, to Putin.'

'That's always been met by the argument that NATO is a purely defensive organisation, that there's nothing to fear. And this idea that NATO is a sort of encircling beast is something conjured up by the Russians...so you have that narrative. The other case you can raise is the operation in Iraq.'

-Lord Skidelsky, one of the 20th Century's greatest economic historians and award-winning biographer of John Maynard Keynes, joins us on Monday's Going Underground to discuss the motivations behind what he calls the 'shambles' that is the UK's policy on the Ukraine proxy war

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🇬🇧🇺🇦🇷🇺Lord Skidelsky: The UK's Ukraine proxy war policy is a SHAMBLES and based on LIES

'The word shambles is right. The whole of our policy was based on a lie, which is that we'd come to the aid of Ukraine whatever it took. And the point is that we were never prepared to come to the help of Ukraine, whatever it took. That is to give enough support to Ukraine for them to achieve a victory over Russia. So there was always that element of deception there.'

'Gradually, it became more palpable that Ukraine wasn't actually doing so well in the war from 2024 onward. So this idea that we were going to do whatever it took to achieve a Ukrainian victory not only became more and more false but also more and more immoral because we were actually encouraging the fighting to go on rather than seeking some way of ending it. All that was changed with the victory of Donald Trump, which left the UK and the European allies without a plausible policy.'

-Lord Skidelsky, one of the 20th Century's greatest economic historians and award-winning biographer of John Maynard Keynes, on the Ukraine proxy war

FULL INTERVIEW: https://rumble.com/v6qpzo0-uk-policy-on-ukraine-proxy-war-is-a-shambles-based-on-lies-lord-skidelsky.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp
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Americans: ‘Why is there no money for universal healthcare?’

US government: ‘We are spending hundreds of millions of dollars each time we bomb Yemen🇾🇪, the poorest country in the Middle East.’
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🇷🇺🇺🇦According to Zelensky, his own soldiers and the BBC are repeating ‘Putin’s lies’, as the Ukrainian Army collapses in Kursk and is forced to retreat.

Zelensky’s delusion and suicidal gamble in Kursk, egged on by NATO countries, has failed. 67,000+ casualties for nothing.
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Lord Skidelsky: Russia🇷🇺 WAS PROVOKED, negotiated peace in Ukraine🇺🇦 means UK🇬🇧 policy is in RUINS

'You get a narrative, and that narrative has cliches attached to it, and one of the cliches is unprovoked. it's just the adjective...the other adjective that is always used is full-scale. The 'unprovoked full-scale aggression' of Russia against Ukraine. Those terms are all linked together and they're just repeated as a mantra and journalists don't have any other vocabulary...'

'I cringe when I hear these cliches, and of course Russia was provoked...I cannot accept the idea that the invasion was unprovoked or that it was full-scale.'

'There is obviously going to be a compromise peace...it's left British policy in ruins.'

-Lord Skidelsky, one of the 20th Century's greatest economic historians and award-winning biographer of John Maynard Keynes, on the Ukraine proxy war

FULL INTERVIEW: https://rumble.com/v6qpzo0-uk-policy-on-ukraine-proxy-war-is-a-shambles-based-on-lies-lord-skidelsky.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp
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🇪🇺🇺🇦🇷🇺Macron says European countries don’t need Russia’s permission to deploy troops in Ukraine to enforce a peace deal.

Russia has made it explicitly clear that NATO nation troops in Ukraine means direct conflict with Russia, in other words World War 3.

While Washington and Moscow negotiate based on respect of each other’s core interests, the circus in Europe is only interested in performing dangerous antics that risk WW3 in order to try and stay relevant, as it faces isolation from Washington, Moscow, and Beijing.
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🇬🇧🇪🇺🇷🇺Lord Skidelsky RIDICULES European plan to deploy troops in Ukraine:

‘Trump shredded the script, he shredded the narrative on which our public life has been based in this particular area for the last three years and the problem for Sir Keir Starmer and to a lesser extent other nations, is how to insert themselves into the new script. Various things they’ve tried to do have been non-starters.’

‘One is to get a coalition of the willing, that is Britain, France and maybe one or two another nations to police the ceasefire and therefore get into Ukraine. That was never going to work. Russia was never going to accept. They said it because it was a way of trying to make themselves relevant to a process from which they are being excluded.’

-Lord Skidelsky, one of the 20th Century's greatest economic historians and award-winning biographer of John Maynard Keynes, on the Ukraine proxy war

FULL INTERVIEW: https://rumble.com/v6qpzo0-uk-policy-on-ukraine-proxy-war-is-a-shambles-based-on-lies-lord-skidelsky.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp
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Lord Skidelsky said the British🇬🇧 and European plan to deploy troops to Ukraine🇺🇦 is a non-starter and just an attempt to make themselves relevant to a process from which they are being excluded.

Here’s an example of the exclusion: Donald Trump says the issue of dividing territory and assets is being discussed to end the Russia🇷🇺-NATO proxy war in Ukraine.

While Washington deals with the core points of contention in the peace negotiations, which are no NATO membership for Ukraine and ceding territory…France, the UK, and other European countries loudly announce non-starter nonsense like deploying troops to Ukraine, which Russia has said would mean direct conflict.

Washington and Moscow will continue to ignore Europe, and Europe will be isolated with its geopolitical circus.
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