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If the fertility rate in the United States fell to 1.3 by 2030 it would work out to as few as 2.95 million births a year. If that happened we would have negative growth of 200K-400,000+annually. That would be devastating. Not South Korea existentially devastating but devastating nonetheless. Thankful for breeder cults!
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The fertility rate of Taiwan has long been below replacement & has been lowest low(sub 1.3 TFR)for more than two decades &โฌ‡๏ธ1.0 since 2020. Many many Taiwanese soldiers are only sons. Demographically in far worse shape on that front than the PRC. Only South Korea has it worse.

The cohort available for conscription gets smaller each year. The cohort born from 1976-1983 was the last sizable one and the youngest from that cohort are now older than 40. The cohort born from 2004-2011 is almost 50% smaller.
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Seattle/King County has a TFR around the same level as Italy, Los Angeles has approximately the same TFR as Germany,San Francisco the same TFR as China, and Boston roughly similar TFR to Spain. So many dense urban areas of the U.S. have similar TFRs to the nationwide averages of many EU countries. Wild.

Suburban & urban counties will continue deviate more and more in terms of TFR. The commuter suburbs of the dense urban areas and those areas even further out will have much higher TFR. You can already see it in spread out cities like Dallas which are still close to replacement.

CDC Wonder gives the following figures:
King Cty (Seattle) 1.26
Los Angeles Cty 1.35
Suffolk Cty (Boston) 1.16
San Francisco 1.06
New York City 1.47
Dallas Cty 1.87

https://x.com/birthgauge/status/1820900807912411554
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Latin America is in midst of a historic drop in fertility. While all regions of the world are seeing falls in TFR those in Mexico, Peru, Brazil, Colombia, & Chile have been remarkably steep. Chile & Colombia in particular have seen their TFR fall far below 1.5.
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๐Ÿ‡ง๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ท๐Ÿ‡ดEven relatively optimistic UN 2024 updated forecast has Bulgaria & Romania demographically disintegrating. Bulgaria on track to only have around 3.5M people by 2100 (so ~40% of their 1989 high). Romania on track to only have ~10M people (or ~43% of their 1989 population high).
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The demographic situation in Singapore, Poland, South Korea, Thailand and China is so bad that (if sustained) each coming generation will halve in size. Fertility rates of 0.72 to 1.1 are an existential threat.
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The combined population of India, China and the United States (the three countries overlaying Africa here) is more than three billion. The population of Africa today is around 1.3 billion spread across 54 countries. Always amazed at the massive size of the continent of Africa.

The entire continent of Africa will never exceed 3 billion. Based on current TFR decline trajectories the continentโ€™s population will peak at ~2.8B vs the ~3.25B peak for China, India, and the U.S. combined.
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The European Union saw an estimated 3,672,667 births last year. This is less than 100,000 more births than the U.S. provisionally recorded (3,591,328). We are very close to seeing US births potentially reach parity with the EU despite having 110 million plus less people. Wild.
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If current population trajectories donโ€™t improve in coming decades the Baltic States will see their populations dwindle dramatically. From ~6.1M today to ~4.8M by 2050 to only ~3M by 2100. & this is the UN median scenario! It could be even lower in 2050 & 2100 if TFR keeps falling.
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While itโ€™s good irreligiously has stabilized & stopped increasing amongst thoseโฌ‡๏ธage 59, the generally low levels of religious adherence amongst Americaโ€™s youngest augur a continuing Europeanization of American fertility. Medium term TFR of 1.5 or lower seems more & more likely.
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In Myanmar most anti government forces are held together only by their desire to defeat the junta. If/when that is accomplished the country could split into half a dozen statelets & massive emigration could ensue if fighting continues. Many outcomes lead to demographic disaster.

There has already been substantial emigration from Myanmar, with much of it predating the war. Well over 1.5 million Burmese have moved to Thailand & the vast majority will never return. If the country were to lose millions more to emigration any recovery would be much harder.
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The comeback of the titular ethnic group of Kazakhstan since 1989 has truly been nothing short of remarkable. In 1989 ethnic Kazakhs were only 39.7% of the population (down from 82% in 1897), by 1999 they were an ethnic majority again. Today (2024 estimates) Kazakhs are 71%.

This just proves that no matter how dire the strait or how dark the hour a nation can come back from oblivion. Latvia & Lithuania did too as have others. One should never just give in and say a nationโ€™s people have no say in the national destiny. Lots can be reversed.

Doomers insist many countries are โ€œdoneโ€due to immigration & low native TFR & claim titular nation will no longer be the majority. Things are rarely permanently settled like this. Peoples have a say & eventually can influence policy. Most nowhere near Balts or KZ were in 1989.
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Demographics Now and Then
The comeback of the titular ethnic group of Kazakhstan since 1989 has truly been nothing short of remarkable. In 1989 ethnic Kazakhs were only 39.7% of the population (down from 82% in 1897), by 1999 they were an ethnic majority again. Today (2024 estimates)โ€ฆ
Yes without immigration & without a TFR of ~2.1 population will decline but that is a choice for the peopleโ€™s of each country to make. Also levels of immigration needed to keep population pyramids steady at dependence ratio of today are far too high for many societies to handle.

https://x.com/masagget/status/1782486417978859898
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Bahia now has a lower TFR than the rich southern States of Brazil,like Santa Catarina, Paranรก, & Rio Grande do Sul. The rich,urban,& heavily ethnic European South has stabilized demographically while the poorer more ethnically mixed Northeast sees its fertility fall like a rock.

Wouldnโ€™t be surprised if all States of the Brazilian Northeast continue to fall until 1.3-1.4 TFR (or lower like that seen in some areas of Costa Rica) while South eventually stabilizes at a higher level at or above 1.45. Once lower middle class get smartphones TFR crashes hard.

Obviously Southern Brazil will see natural population decline first as they have had sub replacement TFR longer but the internal movement of people in Brazil will likely continue to be North to South & this may offset things somewhat.
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Halting emigration should be joint priority right next to boosting births. If your young people leave in droves you are ultimately doomed as a country. Belarus, North Macedonia,Tunisia, & many others must fight hard to avoid becoming Bulgaria or Romania. Emptying & vulnerable.

By the way the estimate in the image is far too optimistic for many of the countries listed IMHO.
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