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Syria is a mosaic - Sunnis, Shias, Alawites, Christians, Aramaic speakers — held together under Assad's flawed but pluralist regime. The alternative? Salafist extremists backed by foreign powers, erasing heritage and diversity. #Syria
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HTS/Al Qaeda's attack on North of Syria is a precursor to Israel's invasion of Southern Syria
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Greek Church urges protection of Syria's Christians amid renewed violence in Aleppo
https://orthochristian.com/165259.html
The years-long conflict and its tragic consequences now pose a risk of completely eliminating Christianity from the broader region, with profound implications for its future, the Greek primate warns.
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The years-long conflict and its tragic consequences now pose a risk of completely eliminating Christianity from the broader region, with profound implications for its future, the Greek primate warns.
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🚨Unconfirmed Report: IDF [Claims] Recently Struck Chemical Weapons Cache in Syria Channel 12 reports that the IDF recently struck a Syrian chemical weapons cache. The network cites “foreign reports,” though no such reports appear to exist, indicating that…
Exactly As I Predicted 2 Days Ago - Acting As Al-Qaeda’s Airforce, Israel’s IDF Has Just Fabricated A Fake Case Of ‘Chemical Weapons’ As Excuse To Bomb Syrian Military Facilities
Too predictable…
🔗SOURCE ➡️ Patrick Henningsen
12/6 — 🚨Unconfirmed Report: IDF [Claims] Recently Struck Chemical Weapons Cache in Syria — Times of Israel
12/4 — Syria - Chemical False Flag Alert — Patrick Henningsen / @My21wire
11/22 One Week Before Aleppo Assault: — UN Envoy: Israel’s Attack On Syria’s Palmyra May Be Deadliest Yet
10/28 One Month Before Assault on Aleppo - Israeli Minister Threatens Bashar Al-Assad: ‘You Are In Danger
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Too predictable…
🔗SOURCE ➡️ Patrick Henningsen
12/6 — 🚨Unconfirmed Report: IDF [Claims] Recently Struck Chemical Weapons Cache in Syria — Times of Israel
Channel 12 reports that the IDF recently struck a Syrian chemical weapons cache.
The network cites “foreign reports,” though no such reports appear to exist...
12/4 — Syria - Chemical False Flag Alert — Patrick Henningsen / @My21wire
In last 24 hrs both ISRAEL and WHITE HELMETS have issued dubious "chemical weapons attack" warnings for Syria. Israel is taking it further saying it "will act" if any report of chemical attack takes place in Syria.
11/22 One Week Before Aleppo Assault: — UN Envoy: Israel’s Attack On Syria’s Palmyra May Be Deadliest Yet
10/28 One Month Before Assault on Aleppo - Israeli Minister Threatens Bashar Al-Assad: ‘You Are In Danger
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Why are Gulf-funded media outlets burning the credibility gained covering Gaza to whitewash a former ISIS and Al-Qaeda warlord?
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🚨🇸🇾Reuters: Syrian Army Command Says Assad’s Rule Has Ended
Reports of celebrations in Damascus, but also uncertainty about the future
The Islamists’ offensive across western Syria has accelerated substantially in the past few days, and now Reuters is reporting that the Syrian Army Command is telling officers that the era of President Bashar al-Assad’s rule has ended .
The apparent regime change is the culmination of just two weeks of offensives by the Islamist Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS) and allies. HTS is run by Abu Mohammad al-Julani, and has had considerable ties to al-Qaeda.They held only a portion of the Idlib Province at the beginning, which they had held for years as the Syrian Civil War had mostly stalemated.
HTS took the major city of Aleppo in just a few days , and the Syrian Army promised a counterattack that ultimately never came. The HTS offensive continued southward, seizing Hama then , within 48 hours, taking both Homs and Damascus as well.
The current situation leaves the HTS in control of the four largest cities in Syria, along with much of the country’s southern frontier with Israel and Jordan. Celebrations have been reported in Damascus, but there is also substantial uncertainty over what is going to happen next.
Other parts of Syria remain divided, with the Kurdish SDF, backed by the US, holding the northeast. The SDF has also seized other towns and villages in recent days, as the Syrian government was unable to defend them.
🔗SOURCE ➡️ Antiwar.com
Related: 12/06- 🚨**Unconfirmed Report: IDF [Claims] Recently Struck Chemical Weapons Cache in Syria]
12/03- Reuters Exclusive: Exclusive-US, UAE Discussed Lifting Assad Sanctions in Exchange for Break With Iran, Sources Say
12/03- — (18+) 🇸🇾/ **🇸🇾 WATCH: Terrorists of HTS have started their ISIS practices, summarily executing a group of surrendered SAA soldiers in Aleppo Governorate
12/02- Al-Qaeda Attack On Aleppo Serves 'The Israeli Occupation Entity': Syrian FM
12/01- Assad Vows To Eradicate 'Terrorism' As Syrian Army Regroups To Confront HTS Offensive
11/30- Israeli Minister Threatens Bashar Al-Assad: ‘You Are In Danger’ — 10/28 — __One Month Before Assault on Aleppo
11/22- UN Envoy: Israel’s Attack On Syria’s Palmyra May Be Deadliest Yet
11/16- ISIS Steps Up Attacks To 'Destabilize' Syria, Russian Envoy Warns
11/11- Syrian Troops Foil ISIS Ambush Near US Occupation Base
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Reports of celebrations in Damascus, but also uncertainty about the future
The Islamists’ offensive across western Syria has accelerated substantially in the past few days, and now Reuters is reporting that the Syrian Army Command is telling officers that the era of President Bashar al-Assad’s rule has ended .
The apparent regime change is the culmination of just two weeks of offensives by the Islamist Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS) and allies. HTS is run by Abu Mohammad al-Julani, and has had considerable ties to al-Qaeda.They held only a portion of the Idlib Province at the beginning, which they had held for years as the Syrian Civil War had mostly stalemated.
HTS took the major city of Aleppo in just a few days , and the Syrian Army promised a counterattack that ultimately never came. The HTS offensive continued southward, seizing Hama then , within 48 hours, taking both Homs and Damascus as well.
The current situation leaves the HTS in control of the four largest cities in Syria, along with much of the country’s southern frontier with Israel and Jordan. Celebrations have been reported in Damascus, but there is also substantial uncertainty over what is going to happen next.
Other parts of Syria remain divided, with the Kurdish SDF, backed by the US, holding the northeast. The SDF has also seized other towns and villages in recent days, as the Syrian government was unable to defend them.
🔗SOURCE ➡️ Antiwar.com
Related: 12/06- 🚨**Unconfirmed Report: IDF [Claims] Recently Struck Chemical Weapons Cache in Syria]
12/03- Reuters Exclusive: Exclusive-US, UAE Discussed Lifting Assad Sanctions in Exchange for Break With Iran, Sources Say
12/03- — (18+) 🇸🇾/ **🇸🇾 WATCH: Terrorists of HTS have started their ISIS practices, summarily executing a group of surrendered SAA soldiers in Aleppo Governorate
12/02- Al-Qaeda Attack On Aleppo Serves 'The Israeli Occupation Entity': Syrian FM
12/01- Assad Vows To Eradicate 'Terrorism' As Syrian Army Regroups To Confront HTS Offensive
11/30- Israeli Minister Threatens Bashar Al-Assad: ‘You Are In Danger’ — 10/28 — __One Month Before Assault on Aleppo
11/22- UN Envoy: Israel’s Attack On Syria’s Palmyra May Be Deadliest Yet
11/16- ISIS Steps Up Attacks To 'Destabilize' Syria, Russian Envoy Warns
11/11- Syrian Troops Foil ISIS Ambush Near US Occupation Base
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Reuters: Syrian Army Command Says Assad’s Rule Has Ended - News From Antiwar.com
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Social medias:🇸🇾⚡- "Opposition forces are questioning Syrian intelligence and army officials to learn where Bashar Assad is," - CNN.
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Social medias:🇷🇺🇸🇾⚡- The Russian military still controls the Hmeimim military base and the Tartus naval base.
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Social medias:🇸🇾⚡- Scenes from Bashar al-Assad's Presidential Palace, Damascus.
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Reuters, from a Syrian opposition coalition: We continue to work to complete the transfer of power to a transitional governing body with full executive powers.
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Reuters, from a Syrian opposition coalition: We call on the Kurdish forces to disengage from any foreign organizations
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'Jewish State Will Extend From Jerusalem To Damascus': Israeli Finance Minister
In a new documentary, Bezalel Smotrich says the Zionist goal of conquering parts of Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon, and Saudi Arabia is part of Israeli public discourse
In a new documentary, Israeli minister Bezalel Smotrich detailed his desire to conquer not only all Palestinian territory to the Jordan River but also the Syrian capital of Damascus and territories extending as far as Iraq and Saudi Arabia.
Smotrich, the Finance Minister in the Israeli cabinet and head of the Religious Zionism party, made the comments in a recently released documentary entitled Israel: Extremists in Power. The documentary was produced by Arte Reportage, a Franco-German broadcast news magazine.
When asked about his goal, Smotrich tells the interviewer, “I want a Jewish state … It is a country run according to the values of the Jewish people.”
Israel currently controls territory from the Mediterranean Sea to the Jordan River, including the Palestinian territories in the West Bank, which have been under Israeli military occupation since 1967.
Israel has been building illegal Jewish settlements on stolen Palestinian land in the West Bank ever since.
The interviewer then asked Smotrich whether he thought the borders of the Jewish state should extend past the Jordan River.
Smotrich responded by saying, “Absolutely, but slowly … Our great religious elders used to say that the future of Jerusalem was to extend as far as Damascus.”
The documentary narrator then added, “Bezalel Smotrich has a maximalist vision of the promised land. And it includes all Palestinian lands, but also territories in Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, and Egypt. Even in Saudi Arabia. A radical vision admittedly, but one that is accepted in public debate in Israel.”
🔗SOURCE ➡️ The Cradle
10/12 — Bezalel Smotrich, Israel’s Finance Minister, Promotes A Dangerously Radical Vision Of A "Greater Israel" That Includes Not Only Palestinian Lands But Also Parts Of Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Egypt, And Even Saudi Arabia.
10/1 — Israel: Settler Group Advertises New Properties In Southern Lebanon
Jerusalem Post: Is Lebanon Part of Israel’s Promised Territory?
8/5 — Starving Two Million Gazans Is ‘Justified,’ but World Will Disapprove: Smotrich
7/18 — ❗️Israeli Finance Minister, Bezalel Smotrich:
“A Palestinian state cannot be established because there is no such thing as a Palestinian People."
: 7/14 — Haaretz: Smotrich Has Completed Israel's Annexation of the West Bank
7/3 — Israel Approves Largest West Bank Land Grab in Three Decades..
6/30 — Smotrich’s Annexation Tapes / Part 3
6/28 — Israeli Cabinet Approves Plan To Legalize 5 Settlements in West Bank
6/27- Poll Shows Netanyahu's Coalition Continues to Lose Popularity, Smotrich Out of Knesset
6/26 — Smotrich Has a Plan to Annex the West Bank and Netanyahu Supports It
6/24 — 'Lebanon, Part of the Promised Land': Israel's Messianic Right Wing Targets New Territory for Settlements — Haaretz
6/6 - Was October 7th Allowed to Happen To Further The Greater Israel Agenda? Did The Hannibal Directive Ever End? [X] — Part 4 of TheMcgwire's Oct 7th Series
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In a new documentary, Bezalel Smotrich says the Zionist goal of conquering parts of Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon, and Saudi Arabia is part of Israeli public discourse
In a new documentary, Israeli minister Bezalel Smotrich detailed his desire to conquer not only all Palestinian territory to the Jordan River but also the Syrian capital of Damascus and territories extending as far as Iraq and Saudi Arabia.
Smotrich, the Finance Minister in the Israeli cabinet and head of the Religious Zionism party, made the comments in a recently released documentary entitled Israel: Extremists in Power. The documentary was produced by Arte Reportage, a Franco-German broadcast news magazine.
When asked about his goal, Smotrich tells the interviewer, “I want a Jewish state … It is a country run according to the values of the Jewish people.”
Israel currently controls territory from the Mediterranean Sea to the Jordan River, including the Palestinian territories in the West Bank, which have been under Israeli military occupation since 1967.
Israel has been building illegal Jewish settlements on stolen Palestinian land in the West Bank ever since.
The interviewer then asked Smotrich whether he thought the borders of the Jewish state should extend past the Jordan River.
Smotrich responded by saying, “Absolutely, but slowly … Our great religious elders used to say that the future of Jerusalem was to extend as far as Damascus.”
The documentary narrator then added, “Bezalel Smotrich has a maximalist vision of the promised land. And it includes all Palestinian lands, but also territories in Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, and Egypt. Even in Saudi Arabia. A radical vision admittedly, but one that is accepted in public debate in Israel.”
🔗SOURCE ➡️ The Cradle
10/12 — Bezalel Smotrich, Israel’s Finance Minister, Promotes A Dangerously Radical Vision Of A "Greater Israel" That Includes Not Only Palestinian Lands But Also Parts Of Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Egypt, And Even Saudi Arabia.
10/1 — Israel: Settler Group Advertises New Properties In Southern Lebanon
Jerusalem Post: Is Lebanon Part of Israel’s Promised Territory?
8/5 — Starving Two Million Gazans Is ‘Justified,’ but World Will Disapprove: Smotrich
7/18 — ❗️Israeli Finance Minister, Bezalel Smotrich:
“A Palestinian state cannot be established because there is no such thing as a Palestinian People."
: 7/14 — Haaretz: Smotrich Has Completed Israel's Annexation of the West Bank
7/3 — Israel Approves Largest West Bank Land Grab in Three Decades..
6/30 — Smotrich’s Annexation Tapes / Part 3
6/28 — Israeli Cabinet Approves Plan To Legalize 5 Settlements in West Bank
6/27- Poll Shows Netanyahu's Coalition Continues to Lose Popularity, Smotrich Out of Knesset
6/26 — Smotrich Has a Plan to Annex the West Bank and Netanyahu Supports It
6/24 — 'Lebanon, Part of the Promised Land': Israel's Messianic Right Wing Targets New Territory for Settlements — Haaretz
6/6 - Was October 7th Allowed to Happen To Further The Greater Israel Agenda? Did The Hannibal Directive Ever End? [X] — Part 4 of TheMcgwire's Oct 7th Series
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'Jewish state will extend from Jerusalem to Damascus': Israeli finance minister
In a new documentary, Bezalel Smotrich says the Zionist goal of conquering parts of Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon, and Saudi Arabia is part of Israeli public discourse
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🚨BREAKING: Deposed Syrian President Bashar Assad And Family Are In Moscow, Russia - They’ve Been Granted Asylum - Tass, Citing Kremlin Sources
(It appears that the Homs plane crash story may have been a red herring/smokescreen to facilitate their egress)
🔗SOURCE ➡️ Patrick Henningsen
12/7 - Reuters: Syrian Army Command Says Assad’s Rule Has Ended
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(It appears that the Homs plane crash story may have been a red herring/smokescreen to facilitate their egress)
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12/7 - Reuters: Syrian Army Command Says Assad’s Rule Has Ended
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DOD In 2012 Intelligence Report:
[Later in the memo]:
https://x.com/TheMcgWire/status/1689246259310116864
See: 8/9/23 — Business Insider: Russia and Iran Supporting Syria 'To Push US Forces Out In a Coercive and Systematic Effort' [X] — TheMcgwire / @PsyopDaily original
Excerpt From My 2019 Article Discussing The 2012 DOD Intelligence Doc
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The US Turkey And The Gulf States Are The Main Supporters Of The Opposition
Al Qaeda and other Jihadi islamic extremists are the main opposition btw☺️
[Later in the memo]:
Oh and btw this will probably result in an islamic caliphate 🤗
https://x.com/TheMcgWire/status/1689246259310116864
See: 8/9/23 — Business Insider: Russia and Iran Supporting Syria 'To Push US Forces Out In a Coercive and Systematic Effort' [X] — TheMcgwire / @PsyopDaily original
5/19/2019 — Leaked OPCW Bombshell Report Shatters the Official Syria Narrative — TheMcgwire / @PsyopDaily original
formerly classified DOD intelligence report written in 2012 that acknowledges...
The US was supporting the opposition... identified to mainly be composed of Islamic extremists, including an Al-Qaeda offshoot, AQI... predicted the rise of ISIS:
Excerpt From My 2019 Article Discussing The 2012 DOD Intelligence Doc
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❗️A circulating video shows the storming of the State Security branch in Kafr Sousa, Damascus, and the release of prisoners.
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Damascus this morning.
🚨Breaking: Sources Have Confirmed That Juan Guaidó Has Declared Himself Interim President Of Syria
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🔗SOURCE ➡️ Alan MacLeod
Related: With Joe Biden officially out, Juan Guaido has now declared himself the Democratic nominee for US president — Wyatt Reed July 21, 2024
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Related: With Joe Biden officially out, Juan Guaido has now declared himself the Democratic nominee for US president — Wyatt Reed July 21, 2024
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The Following Is An Excerpt From My 2019 Article Discussing The 2012 DOD Intelligence Document "Leaked OPCW Bombshell Report Shatters The Official Syria Narrative” — From — 8/9/23 — Business Insider: Russia and Iran Supporting Syria 'To Push US Forces Out In a Coercive and Systematic Effort' [X] — TheMcgwire / @PsyopDaily original
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To understand the situation better, one should be aware of a formerly classified DOD intelligence report written in 2012 that acknowledges the support of the opposition by western powers.
The redacted report starts off outlining “the general situation” in a lettered format:
Right off the bat, the document highlights the fact that the main groups driving the insurgency are Islamic extremists.
It goes on to acknowledge the US's support for these extremists. Why would the US be supporting groups of terrorists that include Al-Qaeda, the very enemy that had the US still occupying Afghanistan to dismantle?!
The document gives a partial answer, stating in a later page that,
The document shows not only that the US and allied powers helped create ISIS by knowingly supporting various terrorists groups, not only that they predicted an Islamic state would form as a consequence of their support, but that “that’s exactly what the supporting powers of the opposition want”— we were never funding “moderate rebels.” That was propaganda. It really is that simple.
So on one hand we are fighting a “global war on terror,” while on the other we are supporting literal terror groups in order to stop “shia expansion?” We were funding jihadis from the start, as was Saudi Arabia and Qatar and other powers. Why?
#USpropaganda #syria #Terrorists #alqaeda #terrorist #Propaganda
🔗SOURCE ➡️ TheMcgwire
See: DOD In 2012 Intelligence Report:
[Later in the memo]:
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———
To understand the situation better, one should be aware of a formerly classified DOD intelligence report written in 2012 that acknowledges the support of the opposition by western powers.
The redacted report starts off outlining “the general situation” in a lettered format:
1. Internally, events are taking a clear sectarian turn
2. The Salafists, the Muslim Brotherhood, and AQI(Al-Qaeda in Iraq) are the major forces driving the insurgency in Syria.
3. The West, Gulf Countries, and Turkey support the opposition; while Russia, China, and Iran support the Regime.”
Right off the bat, the document highlights the fact that the main groups driving the insurgency are Islamic extremists.
It goes on to acknowledge the US's support for these extremists. Why would the US be supporting groups of terrorists that include Al-Qaeda, the very enemy that had the US still occupying Afghanistan to dismantle?!
The document gives a partial answer, stating in a later page that,
“If the situation unravels there is the possibility of establishing a declared or undeclared salafist principality in eastern Syria, and this is exactly what the supporting powers to the opposition want, in order to isolate the Assad regime, which is considered the strategic depth is Shia expansion(Iraq and Iran),” going on to say “The deterioration of the situation has dire consequences on the Iraqi situation and are as follows: This creates the ideal atmosphere for AQI(Al-Qaeda in Iraq) to return to its old pockets in Mosul and Ramadi, and will provide a renewed momentum under the presumption of unifying among Sunni Iraq and Syria, and the rest of the Sunnis in the Arab world against what it considers one common enemy, the dissenters. Isi could declare an Islamic state through a union with other terrorist organizations in Iraq and Syria.”
The document shows not only that the US and allied powers helped create ISIS by knowingly supporting various terrorists groups, not only that they predicted an Islamic state would form as a consequence of their support, but that “that’s exactly what the supporting powers of the opposition want”— we were never funding “moderate rebels.” That was propaganda. It really is that simple.
So on one hand we are fighting a “global war on terror,” while on the other we are supporting literal terror groups in order to stop “shia expansion?” We were funding jihadis from the start, as was Saudi Arabia and Qatar and other powers. Why?
#USpropaganda #syria #Terrorists #alqaeda #terrorist #Propaganda
🔗SOURCE ➡️ TheMcgwire
See: DOD In 2012 Intelligence Report:
The US Turkey And The Gulf States Are The Main Supporters Of The Opposition
Al Qaeda and other Jihadi islamic extremists are the main opposition btw☺️
[Later in the memo]:
Oh and btw this will probably result in an islamic caliphate 🤗
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Levant Report
2012 Defense Intelligence Agency document: West will facilitate rise of Islamic State “in order to isolate the Syrian regime”
On Monday, May 18, the conservative government watchdog group Judicial Watch published a selection of formerly classified documents obtained from the U.S. Department of Defense and State Department…
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Al-Qaeda Attack On Aleppo Serves 'The Israeli Occupation Entity': Syrian FM Militants from Al-Qaeda-affiliated Hayat Tahrir al-Sham reached Aleppo City on Friday on the third day of a lighting offensive coinciding with Israeli attacks on Syria's border crossings…
"Rebels" From The CIA-Sponsored, Turkish-Backed "Free syrian army" (FSA) Proudly Told The Israeli Media That They Want To Create A New Pro-Israel Regime In Damascus.
They thanked Israel for attacking Hezbollah and asked Israel for more help to overthrow Assad and attack Iran.
Source: https://timesofisrael.com/syrian-rebel-commander-urges-israel-to-support-uprising-strike-iran-backed-forces/…
🔗SOURCE ➡️ Ben Norton
12/4 — UN Demands Israeli Withdrawal From Golan Heights As Arab States Back Syria’s Right To Confront
12/1 — Al-Qaeda Attack On Aleppo Serves 'The Israeli Occupation Entity': Syrian FM
11/30 — Al Qaeda Terrorist Tell Israeli Channel 1 “We Are Grateful To Israel ..."
11/29- An Israeli [Moti Kahana] (contracted by CIA) supporting a bunch of Jihadi islamists (many with ties to Al_Qaeda factions) imagine that!!!
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They thanked Israel for attacking Hezbollah and asked Israel for more help to overthrow Assad and attack Iran.
Source: https://timesofisrael.com/syrian-rebel-commander-urges-israel-to-support-uprising-strike-iran-backed-forces/…
🔗SOURCE ➡️ Ben Norton
12/4 — UN Demands Israeli Withdrawal From Golan Heights As Arab States Back Syria’s Right To Confront
12/1 — Al-Qaeda Attack On Aleppo Serves 'The Israeli Occupation Entity': Syrian FM
11/30 — Al Qaeda Terrorist Tell Israeli Channel 1 “We Are Grateful To Israel ..."
11/29- An Israeli [Moti Kahana] (contracted by CIA) supporting a bunch of Jihadi islamists (many with ties to Al_Qaeda factions) imagine that!!!
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