Good series of posts on the conditions in Ireland after the civil war on AIDS today.
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After the Irish Civil War was over mid 1923, there was of costs lots of costs to repair:
1. Material damage caused by the war to property in the Free State has been estimated to be in the region of £50 million in 1922. (€2.4 billion in 2022). A decent…
1. Material damage caused by the war to property in the Free State has been estimated to be in the region of £50 million in 1922. (€2.4 billion in 2022). A decent…
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It was confirmed on News At One that 95 Ukrainian women & 40 children are to moved out of Hotel Killarney to an unnamed location in Westport. They have been living in Killarney for six months.
The Ukrainians were given warning on Friday, then told on Sunday they were definitely being bussed out after 192 male asylum seekers were bussed in on Saturday. The Examiner says their replacements are from Georgia and North Africa.
There's 327 in total at the hotel currently.
Roderic O'Gorman was interviewed after the segment and explained it's difficult sourcing accommodation for the huge increase in non-Ukrainian asylum seekers looking for the free homes he's promised them within four months of arrival.
It seems not many people want loads of foreign military-aged men loitering around Irish towns apart from him. However the owner of the Killarney Hotel was willing to swap out his old stock for new.
Hotel Killarney had a €1.7 Million contract for the Ukrainians. I wonder what they're getting now.
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The Ukrainians were given warning on Friday, then told on Sunday they were definitely being bussed out after 192 male asylum seekers were bussed in on Saturday. The Examiner says their replacements are from Georgia and North Africa.
There's 327 in total at the hotel currently.
Roderic O'Gorman was interviewed after the segment and explained it's difficult sourcing accommodation for the huge increase in non-Ukrainian asylum seekers looking for the free homes he's promised them within four months of arrival.
It seems not many people want loads of foreign military-aged men loitering around Irish towns apart from him. However the owner of the Killarney Hotel was willing to swap out his old stock for new.
Hotel Killarney had a €1.7 Million contract for the Ukrainians. I wonder what they're getting now.
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A few posts on the Northern Ireland census results coming up.
Much commentary was suggestive that a Catholic majority indicated a border poll on the unification of Ireland could be successful.
I'm going to go data diving to check that and see what else we can find out.
There are five datasets in the census we can look at labelled:
🛐 Religion
👶 Country of Birth
👥 Ethnic Groups
🏳️ National Identity
🗣 Language
You can find these tables here:
🔗 nisra.gov.uk
I'll start with religion because that's what the media focused on.
Much commentary was suggestive that a Catholic majority indicated a border poll on the unification of Ireland could be successful.
I'm going to go data diving to check that and see what else we can find out.
There are five datasets in the census we can look at labelled:
🛐 Religion
👶 Country of Birth
👥 Ethnic Groups
🏳️ National Identity
🗣 Language
You can find these tables here:
🔗 nisra.gov.uk
I'll start with religion because that's what the media focused on.
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🛐 Religion
🔹 42.31% of respondents recorded themselves as Catholic with a further 3.39% being raised Catholic.
🟢 Total 45.7%
🔹 37.36% of respondents recorded a Protestant religion (16.61% Presbyterian, 11.55% Church of Ireland, 2.35% Methodist, 6.85% other) with a further 6.12% being raised Protestant.
🟠 Total: 43.48%
Let's accept the premise that religion in the north indicates whether someone is British or Irish and that this will decide a border poll.
So far we've got:
🟢 45.7% Irish.
🟠 43.48% British.
🔹 9.32% recorded no religion or religious history.
We can see that Protestants have a higher rate of abandoning religion at an almost 2/1 rate so we can guess that at least two thirds of this 9.32% are probably British. Let's distribute those values:
New totals:
🟢 48.8% Irish.
🟠 49.69% British.
Looks close but British has the edge.
Let's look at the other data to check our premise though.
🔹 42.31% of respondents recorded themselves as Catholic with a further 3.39% being raised Catholic.
🟢 Total 45.7%
🔹 37.36% of respondents recorded a Protestant religion (16.61% Presbyterian, 11.55% Church of Ireland, 2.35% Methodist, 6.85% other) with a further 6.12% being raised Protestant.
🟠 Total: 43.48%
Let's accept the premise that religion in the north indicates whether someone is British or Irish and that this will decide a border poll.
So far we've got:
🟢 45.7% Irish.
🟠 43.48% British.
🔹 9.32% recorded no religion or religious history.
We can see that Protestants have a higher rate of abandoning religion at an almost 2/1 rate so we can guess that at least two thirds of this 9.32% are probably British. Let's distribute those values:
New totals:
🟢 48.8% Irish.
🟠 49.69% British.
Looks close but British has the edge.
Let's look at the other data to check our premise though.
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🛐 Religion continued
Here's the data on religion since 1861 in the six counties which currently make up Northern Ireland.
'Other' will mostly include some minor Christian denominations as well as other religions. There's no break-down.
Starting in 1861:
🟢 40.94% Catholic
🟠 57.69% Protestant
🟠 1.34% Other
⚪️ .03% Not Stated.
1926 (first census after Northern Ireland was created):
🟢 33.46% Catholic
🟠 62.21% Protestant
🟠 4.15% Other
⚪️ .18% None/Not Stated
1971: First census after The Troubles started (note the big jump in those opting not to state their religion from the previous 1961 census).
🟢 31.45% Catholic
🟠 53.39% Protestant
🟠 5.79% Other
⚪️ 9.38% None/Not Stated
*Note 1: The 1981 Census was subject to a campaign of non-cooperation in some areas, which resulted in a higher than expected figure for 'Not stated'.
*Note 2: In the last three censuses (2001-21), a second religion of upbringing question was also asked. Such figures are not included here.
Here's the data on religion since 1861 in the six counties which currently make up Northern Ireland.
'Other' will mostly include some minor Christian denominations as well as other religions. There's no break-down.
Starting in 1861:
🟢 40.94% Catholic
🟠 57.69% Protestant
🟠 1.34% Other
⚪️ .03% Not Stated.
1926 (first census after Northern Ireland was created):
🟢 33.46% Catholic
🟠 62.21% Protestant
🟠 4.15% Other
⚪️ .18% None/Not Stated
1971: First census after The Troubles started (note the big jump in those opting not to state their religion from the previous 1961 census).
🟢 31.45% Catholic
🟠 53.39% Protestant
🟠 5.79% Other
⚪️ 9.38% None/Not Stated
*Note 1: The 1981 Census was subject to a campaign of non-cooperation in some areas, which resulted in a higher than expected figure for 'Not stated'.
*Note 2: In the last three censuses (2001-21), a second religion of upbringing question was also asked. Such figures are not included here.
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👥 Ethnic groups
The total population count recorded was 1.9 million with a sparse selection of options for ethnic groups.
Note that aside from Travellers, European peoples are all lumped in together under the category "White" and denied their separate ethnicities while the census differentiates between Pakistanis and Indians.
In England & Wales, the census options for ethnicity include White British, White Irish, White Gypsy/Traveller and White Other. Scotland's census also includes White Scottish and White Polish.
While there's an issue with the 'White' prefix in this categorisation too, it suggests more about the ethnic breakdown. The limited set of options is unique to Northern Ireland and means we can determine little about the question of a border poll.
The results:
🔹 96.69% White or Traveller
🔹 .76% Mixed
🔹 2.69% Other
We can expect that a higher proportion of non-Irish/British people failed to complete the census so bear that in mind.
The total population count recorded was 1.9 million with a sparse selection of options for ethnic groups.
Note that aside from Travellers, European peoples are all lumped in together under the category "White" and denied their separate ethnicities while the census differentiates between Pakistanis and Indians.
In England & Wales, the census options for ethnicity include White British, White Irish, White Gypsy/Traveller and White Other. Scotland's census also includes White Scottish and White Polish.
While there's an issue with the 'White' prefix in this categorisation too, it suggests more about the ethnic breakdown. The limited set of options is unique to Northern Ireland and means we can determine little about the question of a border poll.
The results:
🔹 96.69% White or Traveller
🔹 .76% Mixed
🔹 2.69% Other
We can expect that a higher proportion of non-Irish/British people failed to complete the census so bear that in mind.
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👶 Country of Birth
🔹 86.5% Northern Ireland
🔹3.83% England
🔹.87% Scotland
🔹.15% Wales
🔹2.21% Ireland
🔴 Total UK or Ireland: 93.47%
🔹 3.54% EU member states.
🔹 .19% Other European countries.
🔴 Total Europe: 3.73%
🔹 .57% Africa
🔹1.54% Middle East & Asia
🔹.43% North America, Central America & Caribbean
🔹.1% South America
🔹.16% Antarctica, Oceania and Other.
🔴 Total Other: 2.8%
Note that country of birth does not equate ethnicity but from this data we can see that 97.2% of the population of Northern Ireland was born in the UK, Ireland & rest of Europe.
0.55% was born in America, Canada, Australia & New Zealand for a new total of 97.75%
We previously learned that 97.45% described themselves as White, Traveller or mixed. Those figures almost match, suggesting there's little non-white immigration from majority white countries.
Note also that Ireland is recorded as 'Republic of Ireland' which is the name of a football team. The Good Friday Agreement was supposed to clear all that up.
🔹 86.5% Northern Ireland
🔹3.83% England
🔹.87% Scotland
🔹.15% Wales
🔹2.21% Ireland
🔴 Total UK or Ireland: 93.47%
🔹 3.54% EU member states.
🔹 .19% Other European countries.
🔴 Total Europe: 3.73%
🔹 .57% Africa
🔹1.54% Middle East & Asia
🔹.43% North America, Central America & Caribbean
🔹.1% South America
🔹.16% Antarctica, Oceania and Other.
🔴 Total Other: 2.8%
Note that country of birth does not equate ethnicity but from this data we can see that 97.2% of the population of Northern Ireland was born in the UK, Ireland & rest of Europe.
0.55% was born in America, Canada, Australia & New Zealand for a new total of 97.75%
We previously learned that 97.45% described themselves as White, Traveller or mixed. Those figures almost match, suggesting there's little non-white immigration from majority white countries.
Note also that Ireland is recorded as 'Republic of Ireland' which is the name of a football team. The Good Friday Agreement was supposed to clear all that up.
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👶 Country of Birth Continued
Here's the complete list for Country of Birth in the Northern Ireland census.
Majority Catholic countries are highlighted in blue as there's a question over whether Catholic migration is propping up the current Catholic majority.
Ireland aside where 2.12% of the population of Northern Ireland was born, a further 2.83% were born in Catholic majority countries.
While this doesn't mean they all answered 'Catholic' in the census for religion, they're more likely to.
Meanwhile, 0.94% of the migrant population was born in majority Protestant/Other Christian countries (in yellow).
Like many countries on the list, in Britain where 4.85% of the population in Northern Ireland was born, it's more complicated.
Britain has a high proportion claiming no religion (over half according to the BSA) while 8.6% are Catholic.
While it's arguable that migration is contributing to the Catholic majority, to what extent is unclear, especially as the list groups some countries together.
Here's the complete list for Country of Birth in the Northern Ireland census.
Majority Catholic countries are highlighted in blue as there's a question over whether Catholic migration is propping up the current Catholic majority.
Ireland aside where 2.12% of the population of Northern Ireland was born, a further 2.83% were born in Catholic majority countries.
While this doesn't mean they all answered 'Catholic' in the census for religion, they're more likely to.
Meanwhile, 0.94% of the migrant population was born in majority Protestant/Other Christian countries (in yellow).
Like many countries on the list, in Britain where 4.85% of the population in Northern Ireland was born, it's more complicated.
Britain has a high proportion claiming no religion (over half according to the BSA) while 8.6% are Catholic.
While it's arguable that migration is contributing to the Catholic majority, to what extent is unclear, especially as the list groups some countries together.
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Birth certificates record the country of birth of both parents.
These are the stats for eleven years of births in Northern Ireland from January 2010 to December 2020. These is not census data. The source is the NISRA.
Births decreased from 25,315 in 2010 to 20,825 in 2020.
🔹 Total births: 261,993.
Here's where the mothers were born themselves:
🔹 82.34% Northern Ireland (215,732).
🔹 4.84% Britain (12,674).
🔹 2.64% Ireland (6,922).
🔹 10.18% elsewhere (26,665).
The figures for fathers are similar, although:
🔹 77.19% were born in Northern Ireland (202,249).
🔹 5.66% were not stated (14,835).
Add those last two figures together and it roughly matches the figure for mothers born in Northern Ireland. All mothers stated their country of birth.
It suggests the higher percentage of mothers born in Northern Ireland over fathers could largely be attributed to the absence of some fathers' details in the birth certs.
These are the stats for eleven years of births in Northern Ireland from January 2010 to December 2020. These is not census data. The source is the NISRA.
Births decreased from 25,315 in 2010 to 20,825 in 2020.
🔹 Total births: 261,993.
Here's where the mothers were born themselves:
🔹 82.34% Northern Ireland (215,732).
🔹 4.84% Britain (12,674).
🔹 2.64% Ireland (6,922).
🔹 10.18% elsewhere (26,665).
The figures for fathers are similar, although:
🔹 77.19% were born in Northern Ireland (202,249).
🔹 5.66% were not stated (14,835).
Add those last two figures together and it roughly matches the figure for mothers born in Northern Ireland. All mothers stated their country of birth.
It suggests the higher percentage of mothers born in Northern Ireland over fathers could largely be attributed to the absence of some fathers' details in the birth certs.
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Out of interest, here are some UK-wide figures for 2019 (the last year in the data set I was looking at).
Percentage of live births to non-UK born mothers:
🔹 Wales: 12%
🔹 Northern Ireland 13.3%
🔹 Scotland: 17.5%
🔹 England 29.5% (that's 180,370 births in just one year)
Regarding the 13.3% figure above for Northern Ireland, note that 2.61% of the mothers were born in Ireland in 2019.
In comparison, I've mentioned previously that 25% of the mothers who gave birth in Ireland in 2014 were "non-nationals". Not sure if there are more recent stats.
Percentage of live births to non-UK born mothers:
🔹 Wales: 12%
🔹 Northern Ireland 13.3%
🔹 Scotland: 17.5%
🔹 England 29.5% (that's 180,370 births in just one year)
Regarding the 13.3% figure above for Northern Ireland, note that 2.61% of the mothers were born in Ireland in 2019.
In comparison, I've mentioned previously that 25% of the mothers who gave birth in Ireland in 2014 were "non-nationals". Not sure if there are more recent stats.
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🏳️ National Identity | 2011
The addition of a question on national identity first appeared in the 2011 Northern Ireland census and was prompted by criticism of the limited options in the question on ethnicity, covered here.
However, it was decided to allow respondents to tick more than one box for this question.
Above are the results for 2011:
🔹 25.26% selected only Irish.
🔹 1.06% selected Irish & Northern Irish.
🟢 Total Irish: 26.32%
🔹 39.89% selected only British.
🔹6.17% selected British & Northern Irish.
🟠 Total British: 46.06%.
However:
🔹 20.94% selected only Northern Irish.
🔹 0.66% selected British & Irish
🔹 1.02% selected British & Irish & Northern Irish.
🔹 5% selected Other.
⚪️ Total remainder: 27.62%
The addition of a question on national identity first appeared in the 2011 Northern Ireland census and was prompted by criticism of the limited options in the question on ethnicity, covered here.
However, it was decided to allow respondents to tick more than one box for this question.
Above are the results for 2011:
🔹 25.26% selected only Irish.
🔹 1.06% selected Irish & Northern Irish.
🟢 Total Irish: 26.32%
🔹 39.89% selected only British.
🔹6.17% selected British & Northern Irish.
🟠 Total British: 46.06%.
However:
🔹 20.94% selected only Northern Irish.
🔹 0.66% selected British & Irish
🔹 1.02% selected British & Irish & Northern Irish.
🔹 5% selected Other.
⚪️ Total remainder: 27.62%
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🏳️ National Identity | 2021
The census is recorded in Northern Ireland every ten years so 2021 was the second time the question was asked.
Above are the results for 2021:
🔹 29.13% selected only Irish.
🔹 1.76% selected Irish & Northern Irish.
🟢 Total Irish: 30.89%
🔹 31.86% selected British.
🔹 7.95% selected British & Northern Irish.
🟠 Total British: 39.81%.
🔹 19.78% selected Northern Irish only.
🔹 0.62% selected British & Irish
🔹 1.47% British & Irish & Northern Irish.
🔹 7.43% selected Other.
⚪️ Total remainder: 29.3%
The census is recorded in Northern Ireland every ten years so 2021 was the second time the question was asked.
Above are the results for 2021:
🔹 29.13% selected only Irish.
🔹 1.76% selected Irish & Northern Irish.
🟢 Total Irish: 30.89%
🔹 31.86% selected British.
🔹 7.95% selected British & Northern Irish.
🟠 Total British: 39.81%.
🔹 19.78% selected Northern Irish only.
🔹 0.62% selected British & Irish
🔹 1.47% British & Irish & Northern Irish.
🔹 7.43% selected Other.
⚪️ Total remainder: 29.3%
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🏳️ National Identity
So in the space of ten years:
🔹 The number of people identifying as Irish or Irish & Northern Irish increased 4.57% (from 26.32% to 30.89%).
🔹The number of people identifying as British or British & Northern Irish decreased 6.25% (from 46.06% to 39.81%) although those selecting the latter option increased 1.78%.
🔹 The number selecting Northern Irish Only decreased a little (20.94% in 2011 vs 19.78% in 2021)
🔹 The numbers selecting British & Irish or the full trifecta of British & Irish & Northern Irish increased a little: 1.68% in 2011 vs 2.09% in 2021.
🔹 Those selecting 'Other' increased 2.43% (from 5% in 2011 to 7.43% in 2021). This likely would be explained by immigration mainly.
So the results do suggest there's an increase in the number of people identifying as Irish and a decrease in the number identifying as British which is difficult to explain away by people choosing alternative or additional identifiers.
So in the space of ten years:
🔹 The number of people identifying as Irish or Irish & Northern Irish increased 4.57% (from 26.32% to 30.89%).
🔹The number of people identifying as British or British & Northern Irish decreased 6.25% (from 46.06% to 39.81%) although those selecting the latter option increased 1.78%.
🔹 The number selecting Northern Irish Only decreased a little (20.94% in 2011 vs 19.78% in 2021)
🔹 The numbers selecting British & Irish or the full trifecta of British & Irish & Northern Irish increased a little: 1.68% in 2011 vs 2.09% in 2021.
🔹 Those selecting 'Other' increased 2.43% (from 5% in 2011 to 7.43% in 2021). This likely would be explained by immigration mainly.
So the results do suggest there's an increase in the number of people identifying as Irish and a decrease in the number identifying as British which is difficult to explain away by people choosing alternative or additional identifiers.
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A handcuffed man who had been arrested over his involvement in a theft inside the Galway Shopping Centre broke out of Garda van last night.
Security footage had captured the man attempting to steal a number of vaping device from the Hale Vaping booth. It's reported that one security guard was punched in the nose while trying to stop the theft.
Gardai have confirmed the man who escaped their van has not yet been returned to Garda custody. You can call the Galway gardaí on (091) 538 000 if you have any information of his whereabouts.
The 2018 National Roma Needs Assessment recommended the government take effective measures to tackle anti-Roma discrimination and racism, and to provide support in ensuring documentation for social protection applications as their study found only 80% of Roma in Ireland were able to easily access ongoing State supports.
Security footage had captured the man attempting to steal a number of vaping device from the Hale Vaping booth. It's reported that one security guard was punched in the nose while trying to stop the theft.
Gardai have confirmed the man who escaped their van has not yet been returned to Garda custody. You can call the Galway gardaí on (091) 538 000 if you have any information of his whereabouts.
The 2018 National Roma Needs Assessment recommended the government take effective measures to tackle anti-Roma discrimination and racism, and to provide support in ensuring documentation for social protection applications as their study found only 80% of Roma in Ireland were able to easily access ongoing State supports.
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African man arrested for stealing a kettle from a homeless hunger striker on O'Connell St.
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