Ireland's census night is today so I'm going to do a few posts about the results of the last census six years ago.
Coming up, I'll be looking at two tables of data on ethnicity and place of birth.
👉🏻 Late Stage Ireland
Coming up, I'll be looking at two tables of data on ethnicity and place of birth.
👉🏻 Late Stage Ireland
🤮12👍3
Ethnicity
In 2016, the CSO recorded a total population of 4,761,865 in Ireland.
For the question on ethnicity, the total they listed came out to 4,689,921. That's 71,944 fewer. 🤷🏻♂️
🔹 82.8% recorded themselves as being "White Irish" or Traveller.
🔹 The remainder totals 17.2%:
🔹 9.5% recorded themselves as 'Other White'.
🔹 5% recorded themselves as black, Chinese, Asian or Other.
🔹 1.4% Black
🔹 .4% Chinese
🔹 1.7% Other Asian
🔹 1.5% Other
🔹 2.6% left the question blank.
There are some problems with these figures which I'll elaborate on a bit in the next post.
In 2016, the CSO recorded a total population of 4,761,865 in Ireland.
For the question on ethnicity, the total they listed came out to 4,689,921. That's 71,944 fewer. 🤷🏻♂️
🔹 82.8% recorded themselves as being "White Irish" or Traveller.
🔹 The remainder totals 17.2%:
🔹 9.5% recorded themselves as 'Other White'.
🔹 5% recorded themselves as black, Chinese, Asian or Other.
🔹 1.4% Black
🔹 .4% Chinese
🔹 1.7% Other Asian
🔹 1.5% Other
🔹 2.6% left the question blank.
There are some problems with these figures which I'll elaborate on a bit in the next post.
🤔3
Here's what the ethnicity data looks like in pie chart formation and a second graph shows the amount of diversity in the different age brackets.
You can see there's very little diversity in the 60+ demographic.
You can see there's very little diversity in the 60+ demographic.
👍10
Problems with the Census figures.
1. There is evidence that a very significant number of foreigners don't complete the census. For example, while the 2016 census recorded nearly 20,000 Chinese people in Ireland, a Maynooth university study estimated that the real number of Chinese was as high as 100,000 back in 2006 (detail here).
2. Anyone can self-describe as "white Irish". Some percentage of non-Irish people who were either born here or acquired citizenship probably do.
3. I've seen the suggestion that Irish people should select "other" and write in "Irish" like it used to be in the census. I don't know how many people are doing this. We don't know how many Irish people aren't filling the census in at all but it's highly likely a smaller proportion than foreigners.
4. 124,019 people left the question blank, and the total for the ethnic group breakdown came out to 71,944 fewer than the listed CSO population of Ireland for 4,761,865. That's 195,963 people unaccounted for as to what their ethnicity might be (4.1%).
1. There is evidence that a very significant number of foreigners don't complete the census. For example, while the 2016 census recorded nearly 20,000 Chinese people in Ireland, a Maynooth university study estimated that the real number of Chinese was as high as 100,000 back in 2006 (detail here).
2. Anyone can self-describe as "white Irish". Some percentage of non-Irish people who were either born here or acquired citizenship probably do.
3. I've seen the suggestion that Irish people should select "other" and write in "Irish" like it used to be in the census. I don't know how many people are doing this. We don't know how many Irish people aren't filling the census in at all but it's highly likely a smaller proportion than foreigners.
4. 124,019 people left the question blank, and the total for the ethnic group breakdown came out to 71,944 fewer than the listed CSO population of Ireland for 4,761,865. That's 195,963 people unaccounted for as to what their ethnicity might be (4.1%).
Telegraph
Does the CSO provide accurate statistics on the number of foreigners living in Ireland?
According to Conor Gallagher in the Irish Times, the Central Statistics Office has a taskforce monitoring the spread of misinformation online ahead of census night although this usually just means some basement-level regime employee has been lurking Telegram…
"Non-Irish Nationals"
In the CSO press release for the 2016 census, they presented a figure for 'non-Irish nationals' being 11.6% of the population.
This figure then gets read out on the news & radio shows. People repeat it like it's the figure for the number of foreigners living here. You even see normal people fall for it.
We get told that that the number of non-Irish nationals actually dropped from 12% in the previous census — "so what are all those far-right conspiracy loons even moaning about?"
This term 'Irish national' includes all foreigners who have been granted citizenship as well as non-Irish people who were born here.
The more citizenships are granted, the more they can reduce the figure for 'non-Irish nationals'. And they love handing them out...
It's a cheap trick to fool the public into thinking the number of foreigners here is lower than it really is. The govt uses it all the time from stats on the prison population to social housing.
In the CSO press release for the 2016 census, they presented a figure for 'non-Irish nationals' being 11.6% of the population.
This figure then gets read out on the news & radio shows. People repeat it like it's the figure for the number of foreigners living here. You even see normal people fall for it.
We get told that that the number of non-Irish nationals actually dropped from 12% in the previous census — "so what are all those far-right conspiracy loons even moaning about?"
This term 'Irish national' includes all foreigners who have been granted citizenship as well as non-Irish people who were born here.
The more citizenships are granted, the more they can reduce the figure for 'non-Irish nationals'. And they love handing them out...
It's a cheap trick to fool the public into thinking the number of foreigners here is lower than it really is. The govt uses it all the time from stats on the prison population to social housing.
🤬9
Exhibit A & B.
Here's how the Independent and The Journal presented the results of the 2016 census to their readers. It was the same story across the media on census result day.
"The proportion of non-Irish nationals dropped!"
They don't tell their readers why and they don't mention the data on place of birth which is more useful.
I'll get to that next....
Here's how the Independent and The Journal presented the results of the 2016 census to their readers. It was the same story across the media on census result day.
"The proportion of non-Irish nationals dropped!"
They don't tell their readers why and they don't mention the data on place of birth which is more useful.
I'll get to that next....
🤬4
When you dig into the CSO's summary report you will find figures for place of birth. It tells you 17.3% of the population were recorded as foreign-born.
"The number of Irish residents born outside Ireland continued to increase and stood at 810,406 in 2016, an increase of 43,636 on the 2011 figure."
The biggest group were born in the UK, and this includes the north where 1.2% of our population were born (see next post).
So if you take the listed figure for foreign-born (17.3%) and subtract the figure born in the north (1.2%), you come out with 16.1%.
Then the difference between the figure for the percentage of the population who are 'non-Irish nationals' (11.6%) and this figure for foreign-born (16.1%) is 4.5%.
So that 4.5% of the population represents people who were NOT born on the island of Ireland but now have Irish citizenship.
This suggests around 211,046 citizenships have been handed out to people not born here.
Some of them though will have been to Irish people who were born abroad.
"The number of Irish residents born outside Ireland continued to increase and stood at 810,406 in 2016, an increase of 43,636 on the 2011 figure."
The biggest group were born in the UK, and this includes the north where 1.2% of our population were born (see next post).
So if you take the listed figure for foreign-born (17.3%) and subtract the figure born in the north (1.2%), you come out with 16.1%.
Then the difference between the figure for the percentage of the population who are 'non-Irish nationals' (11.6%) and this figure for foreign-born (16.1%) is 4.5%.
So that 4.5% of the population represents people who were NOT born on the island of Ireland but now have Irish citizenship.
This suggests around 211,046 citizenships have been handed out to people not born here.
Some of them though will have been to Irish people who were born abroad.
🤬8
This is the raw data on place of birth.
These figures, like the ethnicity data, give a total population of 4,689,921 (71,944 unaccounted for again).
The two top two figures for Ireland just break down those who live in the county they were born in and those who now live in a different county.
57,389 people were born in the north. That's 1.2% of the population. I'll count them all as Irish. The number here who are strictly British is probably tiny.
203,173 were born in England & Wales —our highest foreign-born population— 4.3% of our total population. Nearly twice the number of Poles.
Hard to know how many of them are Irish. You meet some who are and some who aren't. With no data, I'll say half are Irish for argument's sake.
28,560 were born in the USA. That's .6% of the population. Again, I'll presume half are Irish, and the same with the .25% who were were born in Australia or Canada.
If you do, then you get a beer mat figure for the non-Irish population of 13.5% (excluding those born here).
These figures, like the ethnicity data, give a total population of 4,689,921 (71,944 unaccounted for again).
The two top two figures for Ireland just break down those who live in the county they were born in and those who now live in a different county.
57,389 people were born in the north. That's 1.2% of the population. I'll count them all as Irish. The number here who are strictly British is probably tiny.
203,173 were born in England & Wales —our highest foreign-born population— 4.3% of our total population. Nearly twice the number of Poles.
Hard to know how many of them are Irish. You meet some who are and some who aren't. With no data, I'll say half are Irish for argument's sake.
28,560 were born in the USA. That's .6% of the population. Again, I'll presume half are Irish, and the same with the .25% who were were born in Australia or Canada.
If you do, then you get a beer mat figure for the non-Irish population of 13.5% (excluding those born here).
🤬7
You can perform some calculations using this data to suggest that around half the people born in Britain have been granted Irish citizenship.
The 2016 census was taken two months before the Brexit vote so it will be interesting to see the change.
British citizens can vote in Irish elections & referendums without needing Irish citizenship and vice versa. They just need an address here. They're probably the main migrant group who do this and who also complete the census. Bear that in mind.
If you recall, Enda Kenny took a trip to England ahead of the Brexit vote to persuade Irish people living in Britain to vote against it. I think the system we share is mutually unethical but I won't get into that here.
I'd say Brazilians (30% of whom are LGBT apparently) and most other migrant groups are significantly undercounted like the Chinese I mentioned before, so always keep that in mind when reading any CSO figures too.
No chance there are only 15,976 Brazilians here with 2,336 having Irish citizenship.
The 2016 census was taken two months before the Brexit vote so it will be interesting to see the change.
British citizens can vote in Irish elections & referendums without needing Irish citizenship and vice versa. They just need an address here. They're probably the main migrant group who do this and who also complete the census. Bear that in mind.
If you recall, Enda Kenny took a trip to England ahead of the Brexit vote to persuade Irish people living in Britain to vote against it. I think the system we share is mutually unethical but I won't get into that here.
I'd say Brazilians (30% of whom are LGBT apparently) and most other migrant groups are significantly undercounted like the Chinese I mentioned before, so always keep that in mind when reading any CSO figures too.
No chance there are only 15,976 Brazilians here with 2,336 having Irish citizenship.
👍7
So that leaves us the question: How many people were born in Ireland to non-Irish parents...
It's a very difficult figure to gauge by looking at the census data.
You can do some very rough beer mat calculations and arrive at a figure of 3.7% of the total population but I wouldn't present that with any conviction.
The CSO do collect data on the number of people who don't speak English or Irish at home. It's probably something more practical to look at. Under the age of 18, the figure is 14.1%.
It's also worth highlighting these two stats:
🔹 A 2014 Trinity College study found 25% of children were born to "non-national mothers" (this presumably excludes the foreign-born with Irish citizenship).
🔹 25% of children are born to "non-Irish fathers" (not sure how they're differentiating Irish/non-Irish or where they got the figure)
It's a very difficult figure to gauge by looking at the census data.
You can do some very rough beer mat calculations and arrive at a figure of 3.7% of the total population but I wouldn't present that with any conviction.
The CSO do collect data on the number of people who don't speak English or Irish at home. It's probably something more practical to look at. Under the age of 18, the figure is 14.1%.
It's also worth highlighting these two stats:
🔹 A 2014 Trinity College study found 25% of children were born to "non-national mothers" (this presumably excludes the foreign-born with Irish citizenship).
🔹 25% of children are born to "non-Irish fathers" (not sure how they're differentiating Irish/non-Irish or where they got the figure)
👍7
placeofbirth.csv
3.6 KB
I'm going to give you the raw data on place of birth so you have it. You can compare it to this year's data when it's released.
The CSO have changed their system for accessing the raw data. I couldn't find the birthplace data on their website when I went looking there.
The CSO have changed their system for accessing the raw data. I couldn't find the birthplace data on their website when I went looking there.
👍4
The CSO used to have this great live map where you could click on the different electoral divisions and find out how much diversity is there.
This screenshot for example shows 54.5% of a district in north Dublin are foreign born.
If you click on that link now, it just says the data can't be added to the map. 🤷🏻♂️😥
This screenshot for example shows 54.5% of a district in north Dublin are foreign born.
If you click on that link now, it just says the data can't be added to the map. 🤷🏻♂️😥
🤔7🤯3👍1
Forwarded from Late Stage Ireland
Media is too big
VIEW IN TELEGRAM
Irish people are now a minority in two thirds of north inner city Dublin but the authorities are still laying on the initiatives to integrate the foreigners there.
At what point do they start the programmes to integrate the natives into the void of multiculturalism?
At what point do they start the programmes to integrate the natives into the void of multiculturalism?
👍7🤬4