Past 7 days - Saturday to Friday 2021-11-19
#Pomelo :
Much discussion continues on how best encourage Eden members and in particular delegates to support Pomelo listed projects and more. One idea which gained traction was for Eden to award NFTs for every task members complete/impact including Pomelo and other donations.
Another member expressed these words ""I think we need to lead by example and it would be a strong message to say 98% (or whatever) of Eden members participated in Pomelo's first season."". However the initial post by same member, on how achieve this goal, developed into very long discussion on pros and cons with use of the proposed method to achieve such high participation.
#ENF_Eden :
New views were expressed plus some suggestions how to react and/or act to meeting referred to with same # also in previous recap. Nothing conclusive as of yet from these Eden member discussions due to very differing views and discussion continues. Among all posts seen just three snippets.
The discussions led to one member posting where these words were included:
"" Dan warned us when he wrote "ensuing debates and conflict can tear a community apart". Let's heed this warning and not fall into a trap of polarization, but instead strive to "combine the best aspects of crypto-contracts, human contracts and human dispute resolution," so that this experiment actually results in EOS becoming the first smart Ricardian contract block chain. ""
Another member objected and here part of the words:
""I appreciate the point, but if Eden expects to play a role in EOS governance it should choose its policy. To do this we need to rely on our consensus mechanisms, and/or our leaders.
The policy can be to not have one on this issue, but this should be stated here so that we know where our organization stands if we have any aspirations as an organization with a say on this blockchain. And to do this, we need to use our consensus mechanisms or our leaders.""
One Chief Delegate weighed in, here the beginning part of post:
""An official "Eden Stance" is basically impossible to achieve unless it is so generic it will be essentially meaningless. Eden is a group of people that come to consensus and select people to receive community funding. Nothing about that leads me to the conclusion that we'll all agree on anything never mind a subject with as much nuance, uncertainty, and rational ignorance as this one. ""
If we want to trust the Eden election process to manifest in a unified voice then we'd need to simply let @jestagram speak for all of us since he is the Head Chief Delegate. Even the 6 Chief Delegates all don't agree on this situation.""
#Eden_Landbuy? :
One post including words "Eden should try buying an actual land" led to much discussion, few snippets.
- ""This is a fantastic idea. More immediately, we can purchase/develop land in the various virtual worlds (especially EOS ones)""
- ""It could just be a vision for now, and as a long term goal for Eden members to strive for. ""
- ""There is already precedent for Wyoming DAO LLCs buying land.""
The last snippet with more facts added and in very short words from these a new DAO LLC was created recently and purchased 35 acres in Wyoming. The statute grants "personhood" to a smart contract which means it can own property. The DAO LLC which owns the land has tokenized itself and are fully legit "final settlement" legal ownership of shares in the LLC. These can be sold peer-to-peer and/or internationally.
Ending snippets which in part related to the above:
- ""Eden is all about the individual members, companies, joint ventures, and organizations working independently to provide value for the whole of Eden. I await a future when Eden members use funds to build businesses and projects and donate % back to Eden treasury. Eden is the country, and EOS is our Currency. Ideally, all EOS members should one day become Eden members.""
- ""Yes 100%! I would love to see EOS and Eden buy land and build great cities!""
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#Pomelo :
Much discussion continues on how best encourage Eden members and in particular delegates to support Pomelo listed projects and more. One idea which gained traction was for Eden to award NFTs for every task members complete/impact including Pomelo and other donations.
Another member expressed these words ""I think we need to lead by example and it would be a strong message to say 98% (or whatever) of Eden members participated in Pomelo's first season."". However the initial post by same member, on how achieve this goal, developed into very long discussion on pros and cons with use of the proposed method to achieve such high participation.
#ENF_Eden :
New views were expressed plus some suggestions how to react and/or act to meeting referred to with same # also in previous recap. Nothing conclusive as of yet from these Eden member discussions due to very differing views and discussion continues. Among all posts seen just three snippets.
The discussions led to one member posting where these words were included:
"" Dan warned us when he wrote "ensuing debates and conflict can tear a community apart". Let's heed this warning and not fall into a trap of polarization, but instead strive to "combine the best aspects of crypto-contracts, human contracts and human dispute resolution," so that this experiment actually results in EOS becoming the first smart Ricardian contract block chain. ""
Another member objected and here part of the words:
""I appreciate the point, but if Eden expects to play a role in EOS governance it should choose its policy. To do this we need to rely on our consensus mechanisms, and/or our leaders.
The policy can be to not have one on this issue, but this should be stated here so that we know where our organization stands if we have any aspirations as an organization with a say on this blockchain. And to do this, we need to use our consensus mechanisms or our leaders.""
One Chief Delegate weighed in, here the beginning part of post:
""An official "Eden Stance" is basically impossible to achieve unless it is so generic it will be essentially meaningless. Eden is a group of people that come to consensus and select people to receive community funding. Nothing about that leads me to the conclusion that we'll all agree on anything never mind a subject with as much nuance, uncertainty, and rational ignorance as this one. ""
If we want to trust the Eden election process to manifest in a unified voice then we'd need to simply let @jestagram speak for all of us since he is the Head Chief Delegate. Even the 6 Chief Delegates all don't agree on this situation.""
#Eden_Landbuy? :
One post including words "Eden should try buying an actual land" led to much discussion, few snippets.
- ""This is a fantastic idea. More immediately, we can purchase/develop land in the various virtual worlds (especially EOS ones)""
- ""It could just be a vision for now, and as a long term goal for Eden members to strive for. ""
- ""There is already precedent for Wyoming DAO LLCs buying land.""
The last snippet with more facts added and in very short words from these a new DAO LLC was created recently and purchased 35 acres in Wyoming. The statute grants "personhood" to a smart contract which means it can own property. The DAO LLC which owns the land has tokenized itself and are fully legit "final settlement" legal ownership of shares in the LLC. These can be sold peer-to-peer and/or internationally.
Ending snippets which in part related to the above:
- ""Eden is all about the individual members, companies, joint ventures, and organizations working independently to provide value for the whole of Eden. I await a future when Eden members use funds to build businesses and projects and donate % back to Eden treasury. Eden is the country, and EOS is our Currency. Ideally, all EOS members should one day become Eden members.""
- ""Yes 100%! I would love to see EOS and Eden buy land and build great cities!""
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#Recap Eden Members telegram group -
7 days Saturday to Friday 2022-01-07
#Eden_Landbuy :
A new round of posts on Eden buy of land and real estate became quite extensive and followed a post with these ending words: ""Tying hard assets to EOS DAOs creates a floor price that’s resistant to inflation of fiat. Is anyone exploring these ideas?""
Here few words snipped from one of many posts on this topic:
"" It's been discussed several times that I've seen... the main holdup right now seems to be a lack of legal standing. And that's not made any better with the lack of clear direction on Eden's future. ""
#Dan_Larimer :
Dan posted a poll with question "Would you ever spend $100 in order to cost someone else $100?".
It started an interesting discussion which also led into other areas including topics such as what legal fee structure fair if rich vs poor and aspects of game of evolutionary social behavior.
Halfway through the discussions following words from Dan:
""Some disputes are just too small to litigate, but an eye-for-an-eye justice carried out by good guys at risk to their own reputation and potential counter-suite may be a low cost way to empower extremely decentralited tit-for-tat accountability.""
"" I'm mostly exploring human nature here and using you all as a sounding board. ""
#Clarion :
Tuesday session with Mike Manfredi and Brandon Francher from Clarion team this time as an AMA on Telegram. This to be the default format going forward unless any need use other options for presentations or similar.
This session was very interesting with discussion around what changes to expect with the Eden 2.0 and how this might impact current Eden. Here recordings of the AMA - https://t.me/EdenOSinfo/28159 or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG_ZWfANldM
#MEA : Unpacking of "More Equal Animals" continues!
"" By the way, we're finally getting back to the "Unpacking More Equal Animals" series this Friday @1500 UTC. We're on the chapter "Democratic Justice". – If you've read the chapter and feel you can add some insight, PM me about joining. ""
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6i0s6sG9QA
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7 days Saturday to Friday 2022-01-07
#Eden_Landbuy :
A new round of posts on Eden buy of land and real estate became quite extensive and followed a post with these ending words: ""Tying hard assets to EOS DAOs creates a floor price that’s resistant to inflation of fiat. Is anyone exploring these ideas?""
Here few words snipped from one of many posts on this topic:
"" It's been discussed several times that I've seen... the main holdup right now seems to be a lack of legal standing. And that's not made any better with the lack of clear direction on Eden's future. ""
#Dan_Larimer :
Dan posted a poll with question "Would you ever spend $100 in order to cost someone else $100?".
It started an interesting discussion which also led into other areas including topics such as what legal fee structure fair if rich vs poor and aspects of game of evolutionary social behavior.
Halfway through the discussions following words from Dan:
""Some disputes are just too small to litigate, but an eye-for-an-eye justice carried out by good guys at risk to their own reputation and potential counter-suite may be a low cost way to empower extremely decentralited tit-for-tat accountability.""
"" I'm mostly exploring human nature here and using you all as a sounding board. ""
#Clarion :
Tuesday session with Mike Manfredi and Brandon Francher from Clarion team this time as an AMA on Telegram. This to be the default format going forward unless any need use other options for presentations or similar.
This session was very interesting with discussion around what changes to expect with the Eden 2.0 and how this might impact current Eden. Here recordings of the AMA - https://t.me/EdenOSinfo/28159 or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG_ZWfANldM
#MEA : Unpacking of "More Equal Animals" continues!
"" By the way, we're finally getting back to the "Unpacking More Equal Animals" series this Friday @1500 UTC. We're on the chapter "Democratic Justice". – If you've read the chapter and feel you can add some insight, PM me about joining. ""
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6i0s6sG9QA
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#Recap Eden Members telegram group - 7 days Saturday to Friday 2022-01-21
#Eden_Landbuy :
This post lead to very active wide-ranging discussion, in part fuelled by post copied below the link.
"" This is a pretty cool DAO concept:
https://twitter.com/alliancedao/status/1481633395834712065 ""
"" Well they have one very important thing right and that is that the end of nation states is already in motion. People are going to begin forming their own transnational communities and ultimately claim sovereignty. There’s no longer the same need for violence to protect your assets or procure access to natural resources for manufacturing. Virtual states are the next evolutionary step. ""
#Consortium :
A member pushed for blockchain polling app to be used and suggested this product, already earlier set up for Eden.
"" Updated list the free tokens received when sign up and vote on poll in Consortium! https://app.consortium.vote/claim ""
#EOS_Community:
Eden Members poll - % from Saturday 2022-01-22.
""Do you think we need a way for the Eden / EOS community to vote and come to consensus on important topics?
- Yes of course - 79%
- No not bothered - 21% ""
Good discussion ensued, input also from Dan Larimer.
#GDPR-Europe :
A rich and lengthy discussion was held about EU’s data protection laws and how it might impact on Eden output/uploads in public domain.
#Eden_Facebook :
"" Hey everyone, we've recently gained control of the EOS Facebook Group! https://twitter.com/EOS_Bees/status/1483069200381972480?s=20 ""
#EdenOS_Updates :
"" EdenOS Roadmap & Progress Report - With Brandon Fancher and Mike Manfredi - Streamed live on 14 Dec 2021: https://youtu.be/TvJtVDh4Zd8 ""
#EOSIO_EOS_future :
""Collaborative Vision Forward for EOS with Dan Larimer and Yves La Rose (Part 1 of 3) - Premiered 19 Jan 2022: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpIp_EOtcyE ""
#Eden_Delegates_Meeting :
"" Chief Delegate Meeting #13 - 20 Jan 2022:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN6Yw-QqvuA ""
#EOS_Community :
Just in case you missed it - live only EOS Community Fireside chats on Discord. Every Wednesday 20:00 UTC. ""Weekly EOS Community "open Mic" Session. All topics welcome! (no recording, no streaming).
#EdenOnEOS : This topic below was kind of ending the 7 days of discussion in Eden Members group, I deemed a good way also end this recap. Just few snippets on the "Why joined?".
"" Why did you, I and everyone else generally become members? We need to make it clear ….. The Fractal governance is key in changing and improving our world step by step in business, education , politics , authority’s, governments everywhere. ""
- "" I joined to observe the experiment first hand, so i won't have to trust anyone opinion if it works or not""
- "" +1 ""
- "" Its about EOS..., Dans Book is not. ""
- "" In one sentence I would say its about establishing trust and connections - including the election process. ""
- "" I will add the opportunity to participate in fractal governance and have a voice in the EOS community. ""
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#Eden_Landbuy :
This post lead to very active wide-ranging discussion, in part fuelled by post copied below the link.
"" This is a pretty cool DAO concept:
https://twitter.com/alliancedao/status/1481633395834712065 ""
"" Well they have one very important thing right and that is that the end of nation states is already in motion. People are going to begin forming their own transnational communities and ultimately claim sovereignty. There’s no longer the same need for violence to protect your assets or procure access to natural resources for manufacturing. Virtual states are the next evolutionary step. ""
#Consortium :
A member pushed for blockchain polling app to be used and suggested this product, already earlier set up for Eden.
"" Updated list the free tokens received when sign up and vote on poll in Consortium! https://app.consortium.vote/claim ""
#EOS_Community:
Eden Members poll - % from Saturday 2022-01-22.
""Do you think we need a way for the Eden / EOS community to vote and come to consensus on important topics?
- Yes of course - 79%
- No not bothered - 21% ""
Good discussion ensued, input also from Dan Larimer.
#GDPR-Europe :
A rich and lengthy discussion was held about EU’s data protection laws and how it might impact on Eden output/uploads in public domain.
#Eden_Facebook :
"" Hey everyone, we've recently gained control of the EOS Facebook Group! https://twitter.com/EOS_Bees/status/1483069200381972480?s=20 ""
#EdenOS_Updates :
"" EdenOS Roadmap & Progress Report - With Brandon Fancher and Mike Manfredi - Streamed live on 14 Dec 2021: https://youtu.be/TvJtVDh4Zd8 ""
#EOSIO_EOS_future :
""Collaborative Vision Forward for EOS with Dan Larimer and Yves La Rose (Part 1 of 3) - Premiered 19 Jan 2022: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpIp_EOtcyE ""
#Eden_Delegates_Meeting :
"" Chief Delegate Meeting #13 - 20 Jan 2022:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN6Yw-QqvuA ""
#EOS_Community :
Just in case you missed it - live only EOS Community Fireside chats on Discord. Every Wednesday 20:00 UTC. ""Weekly EOS Community "open Mic" Session. All topics welcome! (no recording, no streaming).
#EdenOnEOS : This topic below was kind of ending the 7 days of discussion in Eden Members group, I deemed a good way also end this recap. Just few snippets on the "Why joined?".
"" Why did you, I and everyone else generally become members? We need to make it clear ….. The Fractal governance is key in changing and improving our world step by step in business, education , politics , authority’s, governments everywhere. ""
- "" I joined to observe the experiment first hand, so i won't have to trust anyone opinion if it works or not""
- "" +1 ""
- "" Its about EOS..., Dans Book is not. ""
- "" In one sentence I would say its about establishing trust and connections - including the election process. ""
- "" I will add the opportunity to participate in fractal governance and have a voice in the EOS community. ""
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