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we would like to talk about burner environments and communities and communities that intersect with them we would like to talk about how we and others can be safe where we are we believed that people calling themselves burners were intending safety in ourβ¦
may i ask who wrote this? (i would like to get clarification about it)
π @BurnersInService β’ Honoring Consent Consciousness β’ Burners In Service β’ Intuitive Public FIame β’ IPR β’β’β’
may i ask who wrote this? (i would like to get clarification about it)
There are variety of us who can answer questions about this and max can too
Ty asking questions in this space because questions help all a lot
Ty asking questions in this space because questions help all a lot
π @BurnersInService β’ Honoring Consent Consciousness β’ Burners In Service β’ Intuitive Public FIame β’ IPR β’β’β’
There are variety of us who can answer questions about this and max can too Ty asking questions in this space because questions help all a lot
are you saying to just ask here in the group? ok...
what is a burner environment?
what is a burner community?
what is a community that intersects with them? (maybe a description or an example, idk)
how is "safe where you are" even a possibility being considered; i have a hard time seeing why that is even on the table
what does it mean that people were calling themselves burners?
what is a burner environment?
what is a burner community?
what is a community that intersects with them? (maybe a description or an example, idk)
how is "safe where you are" even a possibility being considered; i have a hard time seeing why that is even on the table
what does it mean that people were calling themselves burners?
π @BurnersInService β’ Honoring Consent Consciousness β’ Burners In Service β’ Intuitive Public FIame β’ IPR β’β’β’
are you saying to just ask here in the group? ok... what is a burner environment? what is a burner community? what is a community that intersects with them? (maybe a description or an example, idk) how is "safe where you are" even a possibility being considered;β¦
Yes, questions help all of us a lot! --@maxmorris
π @BurnersInService β’ Honoring Consent Consciousness β’ Burners In Service β’ Intuitive Public FIame β’ IPR β’β’β’
are you saying to just ask here in the group? ok... what is a burner environment? what is a burner community? what is a community that intersects with them? (maybe a description or an example, idk) how is "safe where you are" even a possibility being considered;β¦
and what does it mean that you were the only burners in service? this is a lot of fire lingo i'm not getting.
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https://burningman.org/culture/philosophical-center/10-principles
so is a burner community a local bunch of people who one has met out in the desert somewhere at one of these events, and the attendees call themselves burners and they sort of identify with the stated values of that burning man web site, and try to stay in touch afterwards locally, or i guess in between those big gatherings? and that's the "community" aspect you're talking about?
π @BurnersInService β’ Honoring Consent Consciousness β’ Burners In Service β’ Intuitive Public FIame β’ IPR β’β’β’
so is a burner community a local bunch of people who one has met out in the desert somewhere at one of these events, and the attendees call themselves burners and they sort of identify with the stated values of that burning man web site, and try to stay inβ¦
This is basically accurate and there are also close-knit local and family communities that are part of burn communities
π @BurnersInService β’ Honoring Consent Consciousness β’ Burners In Service β’ Intuitive Public FIame β’ IPR β’β’β’
and what does it mean that you were the only burners in service? this is a lot of fire lingo i'm not getting.
A lot of burners talk big about being in service and being aware of others needs and including people and operating based on kindness but if burners leave vulnerable members of their communities to human traffickers then service or kindness is not really who they are or what they're doing, they are not in service, something is gone wrong
There are pathways by which burners are either aware or not aware that vulnerable members of their communities are handed off to known active human trafficking operations
When vulnerable people try to talk about this in community with the caring people they thought they were involved with, they are shut down and silenced so that trafficking operatives can pick them up.
It's easy to do this once a person is made vulnerable at certain multiple intersections.
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This is basically accurate and there are also close-knit local and family communities that are part of burn communities
or at what point does someone go from being a blissful participant in this happy love-all scenario to somehow being a sex slave or sold off to idk what awful fate?
Don't get so sick or injured that the people around you stop believing you when you tell them the truth.
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There are pathways by which burners are either aware or not aware that vulnerable members of their communities are handed off to known active human trafficking operations
when you say "pathways" are you talking about certain people? evil actors
If you lose your able-bodied function and can't get away, if your body is not able to perform normative movements as mainstream would expect, if you lose your financial stability and financial support from others, you are below a certain threshold of intersectional privilege.
Pathways are held open by people
Sometimes they understand the violence that results from holding open those pathways and sometimes they don't.