Poor data analysis = information asymmetry
Any asymmetry is an advantage
https://x.com/vasily_sumanov/status/2016831785842463051?s=46
Any asymmetry is an advantage
https://x.com/vasily_sumanov/status/2016831785842463051?s=46
X (formerly Twitter)
Vasily Sumanov (@vasily_sumanov) on X
I had a call with a TradFi guy.
- Data reporting is poor and inaccurate.
- The quality of 99% of assets is poor.
- The majority of projects will never be considered "a business."
We need to do better.
- Data reporting is poor and inaccurate.
- The quality of 99% of assets is poor.
- The majority of projects will never be considered "a business."
We need to do better.
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Btw The DAO is back with Vitalik in multisig
https://x.com/thedaofund/status/2016898906915811488
The Second Chance😇
https://x.com/thedaofund/status/2016898906915811488
The Second Chance😇
X (formerly Twitter)
thedao.fund (@thedaofund) on X
TheDAO is back. BULLISH
A decade later, we’re opening a new chapter.
TheDAO Security Fund: activating 75,000+ ETH to strengthen Ethereum security.
https://t.co/VV3cH313TE
A decade later, we’re opening a new chapter.
TheDAO Security Fund: activating 75,000+ ETH to strengthen Ethereum security.
https://t.co/VV3cH313TE
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Who earns when everything is going down?
DEX tokens
DEXes literally have been printing fees today. An overview coming soon.
DEX tokens
DEXes literally have been printing fees today. An overview coming soon.
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Cashflow Machines
Market down -> they print even more fees
The price could decline, but, unlike with other assets, holders receive fees for owning them.
The key to building wealth in a more fundamental paradigm is to buy future revenue while it’s cheap and receive it all the way through, while the market will reprice assets back.
https://x.com/valueverse_ai/status/2017690176630501474?s=46
Market down -> they print even more fees
The price could decline, but, unlike with other assets, holders receive fees for owning them.
The key to building wealth in a more fundamental paradigm is to buy future revenue while it’s cheap and receive it all the way through, while the market will reprice assets back.
https://x.com/valueverse_ai/status/2017690176630501474?s=46
X (formerly Twitter)
Valueverse (@valueverse_ai) on X
Some assets made huge revenue from volatility today
Revenue vs. price -> it's what matters rn.
Time to explore cashflow machines.
Revenue vs. price -> it's what matters rn.
Time to explore cashflow machines.
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It’s it time to dig into Molt ecosystem AI tokens?
Curious if they have cashflow or at least some utility
Curious if they have cashflow or at least some utility
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Volatility pays DEX tokens, especially those that effectively capture revenue
Analysis of other ones $CRV $AERO etc comes soon
https://x.com/valueverse_ai/status/2018408359855337948
Analysis of other ones $CRV $AERO etc comes soon
https://x.com/valueverse_ai/status/2018408359855337948
X (formerly Twitter)
Valueverse (@valueverse_ai) on X
How tokens of liquidity protocols benefit from recent volatility?
See the revenue captured by @yieldbasis's $YB in the last few days. Next fee distribution epochs will be big ones.
Data for other tracked tokens $CRV $AERO $PUMP $HYPE $UNI comes soon
See the revenue captured by @yieldbasis's $YB in the last few days. Next fee distribution epochs will be big ones.
Data for other tracked tokens $CRV $AERO $PUMP $HYPE $UNI comes soon
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We've opened an adjacent group for everyone to discuss, question, or share research.
https://t.me/+utqeEzcra7hhMmYy
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https://t.me/+utqeEzcra7hhMmYy
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It's time for a new stuff.
Crazy volatility happened and huge $ of mcap was wiped out.
Which tokens (and their holders) made money on that?
https://x.com/valueverse_ai/status/2019892046597861720?s=20
Crazy volatility happened and huge $ of mcap was wiped out.
Which tokens (and their holders) made money on that?
https://x.com/valueverse_ai/status/2019892046597861720?s=20
X (formerly Twitter)
Valueverse (@valueverse_ai) on X
Revenue from Volatility: The Red Week Exploration
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BASE eco is fueled up with the new batch of emerging revenue-generating assets with AI and novel Defi solutions
All of them are super early
Thinking to do a dedicated report for that
All of them are super early
Thinking to do a dedicated report for that
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People truly think that DeFi tokens are over?
But truth is that if other sectors grow, these tokens capture a lot of revenue from that
https://x.com/vasily_sumanov/status/2021696977545691259?s=46
But truth is that if other sectors grow, these tokens capture a lot of revenue from that
https://x.com/vasily_sumanov/status/2021696977545691259?s=46
X (formerly Twitter)
Vasily Sumanov (@vasily_sumanov) on X
Some people say that OG Defi tokens are forgotten.
Let's dig into it. /midnight thoughts post/
I was talking to a friend (almost decade in crypto, inv banker background). He was surprised when I showed yields that OG Defi tokens deliver to their holders.…
Let's dig into it. /midnight thoughts post/
I was talking to a friend (almost decade in crypto, inv banker background). He was surprised when I showed yields that OG Defi tokens deliver to their holders.…
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Highlighting a classic misunderstanding: Protocol Revenue ≠ Token Revenue:
https://x.com/vasily_sumanov/status/2022200019374223632
Posts like quoted one create the illusion that buying a token (e.g. $LDO) gives direct exposure to protocol yield, which is simply not the case (at least in its current design).
This is exactly why we focus on Effective Revenue Multipliers to demonstrate pricing of value actually captured by the token.
The next step is even more important:
→ Revenue scoring
→ Accounting consistency
→ Future dilution
→ % of revenue captured by token holders
Not all revenue is created equal. Not all of it accrues to you.
https://x.com/vasily_sumanov/status/2022200019374223632
Posts like quoted one create the illusion that buying a token (e.g. $LDO) gives direct exposure to protocol yield, which is simply not the case (at least in its current design).
This is exactly why we focus on Effective Revenue Multipliers to demonstrate pricing of value actually captured by the token.
The next step is even more important:
→ Revenue scoring
→ Accounting consistency
→ Future dilution
→ % of revenue captured by token holders
Not all revenue is created equal. Not all of it accrues to you.
X (formerly Twitter)
Vasily Sumanov (@vasily_sumanov) on X
An example how people totally misunderstood
protocol revenue is NOT token holders revenue
$LDO doesn’t capture these cashflows
$UNI buybacks are tiny vs huge mcap, revenue multiplier x100+
$ENA doesn’t have any cashflows
Only $PENDLE from this list…
protocol revenue is NOT token holders revenue
$LDO doesn’t capture these cashflows
$UNI buybacks are tiny vs huge mcap, revenue multiplier x100+
$ENA doesn’t have any cashflows
Only $PENDLE from this list…
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Cashflow Upside -> investing in something that could make several “X” more money per month.
A great case study here for vlCVX
https://x.com/valueverse_ai/status/2023513783721930822?s=46
Our main focus is to collect all hidden gems in this space. #Ethereum, #Base
A great case study here for vlCVX
https://x.com/valueverse_ai/status/2023513783721930822?s=46
Our main focus is to collect all hidden gems in this space. #Ethereum, #Base
X (formerly Twitter)
Valueverse (@valueverse_ai) on X
A great guide on investing in Cashflow Upside, not just chasing price growth.
Today proven cashflow machines are priced below assets without any real value.
If we will go to positive times in c…
Today proven cashflow machines are priced below assets without any real value.
If we will go to positive times in c…
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Yield Basis Performance Report is live:
https://x.com/valueverse_ai/status/2023870231928803758?s=20
We used indexed data + AI to backtest future governance proposals and validate outcomes in days, not weeks.
Moving toward: continuous audit of on-chain businesses and automated hypothesis testing (gov proposals, new products, growth scenarios).
Base low-cap revenue tokens report is cooking.
https://x.com/valueverse_ai/status/2023870231928803758?s=20
We used indexed data + AI to backtest future governance proposals and validate outcomes in days, not weeks.
Moving toward: continuous audit of on-chain businesses and automated hypothesis testing (gov proposals, new products, growth scenarios).
Base low-cap revenue tokens report is cooking.
X (formerly Twitter)
Valueverse (@valueverse_ai) on X
A State of Yield Basis [REPORT]
Access the full report: https://t.co/kGOZQ5hflM
@yieldbasis performance review: fees, emissions, and safe scaling framework
Access the full report: https://t.co/kGOZQ5hflM
@yieldbasis performance review: fees, emissions, and safe scaling framework
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If you occasionally speak Russian, I will be on a podcast today together with Choly & Resolv founder
English-speaking podcasts also coming
English-speaking podcasts also coming
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Forwarded from cryptocholy
cholycast - завтра
25.02, 6PM UTC +3
Roundtable: будущее капитала: большие тренды, токены и новая финансовая архитектура
feat. Ivan, co-founder Resolv; Vasily, co-founder Valueverse
Хороший экспертный состав, решили обсудить насущное положение рынка и посмотреть в будущее
memo:
Финансовая система не рушится.
Она перепрошивается.
Капитал становится программируемым.
Риски ~ алгоритмизируемыми.
Токены ~ попыткой переопределить структуру собственности.
Но главный вопрос не в DeFi.
Главный вопрос ~ где возникает ценность и кто её удерживает.
Обсудим:
— создаёт ли крипта новую финансовую систему или лишь ускоряет спекуляцию
— почему TVL часто ничего не говорит о реальной силе
— какие токен-модели действительно собирают value
— кейс Hyperliquid и новые принципы оценки
— возможен ли устойчивый доход в ончейне
— институциональный капитал: структурный сдвиг или временный поток
— что будет с рынком, если решения начнут принимать AI-агенты
Это разговор не про DeFi.
Это разговор про архитектуру капитала.
Если убрать спекуляцию ~
что останется от рынка?
25.02, 6PM UTC +3
25.02, 6PM UTC +3
Roundtable: будущее капитала: большие тренды, токены и новая финансовая архитектура
feat. Ivan, co-founder Resolv; Vasily, co-founder Valueverse
Хороший экспертный состав, решили обсудить насущное положение рынка и посмотреть в будущее
memo:
Финансовая система не рушится.
Она перепрошивается.
Капитал становится программируемым.
Риски ~ алгоритмизируемыми.
Токены ~ попыткой переопределить структуру собственности.
Но главный вопрос не в DeFi.
Главный вопрос ~ где возникает ценность и кто её удерживает.
Обсудим:
— создаёт ли крипта новую финансовую систему или лишь ускоряет спекуляцию
— почему TVL часто ничего не говорит о реальной силе
— какие токен-модели действительно собирают value
— кейс Hyperliquid и новые принципы оценки
— возможен ли устойчивый доход в ончейне
— институциональный капитал: структурный сдвиг или временный поток
— что будет с рынком, если решения начнут принимать AI-агенты
Это разговор не про DeFi.
Это разговор про архитектуру капитала.
Если убрать спекуляцию ~
что останется от рынка?
25.02, 6PM UTC +3
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Base Revenue Report:
• who and how makes money on Base. But, what do token holders receive?
• Defi, AI, Game+AI
• Revenue extraction vs. keeping it in the ecosystem
Tracking new stuff here
https://x.com/valueverse_ai/status/2027521090973843717
• who and how makes money on Base. But, what do token holders receive?
• Defi, AI, Game+AI
• Revenue extraction vs. keeping it in the ecosystem
Tracking new stuff here
https://x.com/valueverse_ai/status/2027521090973843717
X (formerly Twitter)
Valueverse (@valueverse_ai) on X
Revenue on Base
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We are increasingly interested in Base tokens, and preparing some stats for that.
Base will be big, and some tokens will be big as well. In Vv we chase Revenue Upside opportunities & legit stuff that makes money for holders.
So, what we have on Base besides $AERO which is an obvious play?
Reminder: $0.35 price per 1 $AERO -> it makes $0.09-$0.11 fees/year counting recent periods, and made ~$0.25 fees per 1veAERO in 2025). With upcoming rollout to ETH mainnet and capturing a share of Uniswap market these numbers can grow up event to $0.30-$0.40 per 1veAERO/year.
First of all: these tokens were mentioned in our recent report: https://x.com/twitter/status/2027521090973843717
Below we present some revenue stats and what we think about it.
An announcement on why we will have more detailed stats & ideas here in TG:
• Due to X new policies that are targeting paid shilling KOLs we have much less options to make any straight conclusions regarding assets and their quality for possible investments.
• Valueverse doesn’t promote tokens. We build tools to understand them and sharing findings.
• However, even being an analytical project that plays on investors side unlike some others in this space (probably you know that majority of X crypto research is done to promote tokens and sell them to you), we need to be really careful on what we write there.
1. $HYDX (hydrex.fi) - a new type of MetaDEX, with a token that can be considered as a "diffrent version" of $AERO tokenomics. The project is small but already makes money for holders. The core idea of the token is the same - all swap fees & bribes are going to $HYDX lockers.
The project makes $99.4k per week (fees & bribes, average for past 25 weeks). It means that it is almost $5.2m per year. However, not all tokens have equal weight in fees distributions(there is a earning power metric that makes weighting for that and it is the core thing to investigate further). All of this requires much deeper analysis, but first numbers show that this is (1) a revenue token (2) fees that it generates per year are bigger than its price .
Tokenomic is complex, and it requires a special guide to be used efficiently (optimial locks, optimal voting & compounding, etc). We tested everything with our own hands to understand how this thing ever works.
Keep an eye on it, we investigate it further.
2. BankerBot ($BNKR). The new social trading AI Agent that allows you to buy/sell assets with a text commands. Talking about the token, it has staking option with 8.82% current APR & 11.9% of tokens staked. It makes fees and partly transfers then to token holders with staking rewards (that were bought back from the market, as we found analysing onchain operations). Looks interesting but it didn't convince me to buy it.
3. $CLANKER. The launchpad for agents. It makes money and transfers it to token holders via buybacks. Today, 13.57% of $CLANKER is bought back and the majority of these buybacks were happening during the recent month. Extrapolated yearly buyback from current prices is 39% what means ERM (Effective Revenue Multiplier) is ~2.5x what is quite moderate. During recent pump to $125 it was overheated based on our model but now with $28 and ERM = 2.5x it looks much more interesting. (and here you see that token price means nothing until you know its revenue vs. price?)
What next?
We are finalizing our Effective Multipliers product that will have all the data regarding revenues, revenue-eligible supply, historical multipliers, related charts etc. It is built without any Dune -> now we use our own indexer and get real-time data directly from dRPC nodes. Note that Dune data can be delayed and dashboards there are not so reliable vs. aquiring/processing data directly from blockchain nodes.
Base will be big, and some tokens will be big as well. In Vv we chase Revenue Upside opportunities & legit stuff that makes money for holders.
So, what we have on Base besides $AERO which is an obvious play?
Reminder: $0.35 price per 1 $AERO -> it makes $0.09-$0.11 fees/year counting recent periods, and made ~$0.25 fees per 1veAERO in 2025). With upcoming rollout to ETH mainnet and capturing a share of Uniswap market these numbers can grow up event to $0.30-$0.40 per 1veAERO/year.
First of all: these tokens were mentioned in our recent report: https://x.com/twitter/status/2027521090973843717
Below we present some revenue stats and what we think about it.
An announcement on why we will have more detailed stats & ideas here in TG:
• Due to X new policies that are targeting paid shilling KOLs we have much less options to make any straight conclusions regarding assets and their quality for possible investments.
• Valueverse doesn’t promote tokens. We build tools to understand them and sharing findings.
• However, even being an analytical project that plays on investors side unlike some others in this space (probably you know that majority of X crypto research is done to promote tokens and sell them to you), we need to be really careful on what we write there.
1. $HYDX (hydrex.fi) - a new type of MetaDEX, with a token that can be considered as a "diffrent version" of $AERO tokenomics. The project is small but already makes money for holders. The core idea of the token is the same - all swap fees & bribes are going to $HYDX lockers.
The project makes $99.4k per week (fees & bribes, average for past 25 weeks). It means that it is almost $5.2m per year. However, not all tokens have equal weight in fees distributions(there is a earning power metric that makes weighting for that and it is the core thing to investigate further). All of this requires much deeper analysis, but first numbers show that this is (1) a revenue token (2) fees that it generates per year are bigger than its price .
Tokenomic is complex, and it requires a special guide to be used efficiently (optimial locks, optimal voting & compounding, etc). We tested everything with our own hands to understand how this thing ever works.
Keep an eye on it, we investigate it further.
2. BankerBot ($BNKR). The new social trading AI Agent that allows you to buy/sell assets with a text commands. Talking about the token, it has staking option with 8.82% current APR & 11.9% of tokens staked. It makes fees and partly transfers then to token holders with staking rewards (that were bought back from the market, as we found analysing onchain operations). Looks interesting but it didn't convince me to buy it.
3. $CLANKER. The launchpad for agents. It makes money and transfers it to token holders via buybacks. Today, 13.57% of $CLANKER is bought back and the majority of these buybacks were happening during the recent month. Extrapolated yearly buyback from current prices is 39% what means ERM (Effective Revenue Multiplier) is ~2.5x what is quite moderate. During recent pump to $125 it was overheated based on our model but now with $28 and ERM = 2.5x it looks much more interesting. (and here you see that token price means nothing until you know its revenue vs. price?)
What next?
We are finalizing our Effective Multipliers product that will have all the data regarding revenues, revenue-eligible supply, historical multipliers, related charts etc. It is built without any Dune -> now we use our own indexer and get real-time data directly from dRPC nodes. Note that Dune data can be delayed and dashboards there are not so reliable vs. aquiring/processing data directly from blockchain nodes.
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What will be there
-> Core Assets ($YB $CRV $AERO $HYPE $PUMP etc) for tracking your portfolio.
-> Alpha Assets ($HYDX $BNKR $CLANKER + some other small caps with revenue from Base), the Alpha section will be constantly updated with new tokens to have a first-hand info on emerging stuff.
-> All data is manually created and verified(!), without that it makes no sense. But what makes even more sense is AI tool on top that uses revenue data set that is verified and correct (if you will plug in free data from popular platforms, a lot of it is not correct if we talk about revenue, see our recent public discussion with $AERO founder: https://x.com/vasily_sumanov/status/2028225347037040997). More info on this point soon.
All of this will be available via API and MCP for Agents. We focus on UI distribution (Wallets, CEXes, Trading apps) + Agents.
We will also make some visual version for humans and there will be a whitelist application for getting in. Everybody in this group gets priority.
-> Core Assets ($YB $CRV $AERO $HYPE $PUMP etc) for tracking your portfolio.
-> Alpha Assets ($HYDX $BNKR $CLANKER + some other small caps with revenue from Base), the Alpha section will be constantly updated with new tokens to have a first-hand info on emerging stuff.
-> All data is manually created and verified(!), without that it makes no sense. But what makes even more sense is AI tool on top that uses revenue data set that is verified and correct (if you will plug in free data from popular platforms, a lot of it is not correct if we talk about revenue, see our recent public discussion with $AERO founder: https://x.com/vasily_sumanov/status/2028225347037040997). More info on this point soon.
All of this will be available via API and MCP for Agents. We focus on UI distribution (Wallets, CEXes, Trading apps) + Agents.
We will also make some visual version for humans and there will be a whitelist application for getting in. Everybody in this group gets priority.
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$AERO is not only core cashflow asset on Base, but also the most evident recipient of Base native token drop.
There are last two epochs of Flight School that rewards newly-locked veAERO with new AERO (coming from real buybacks not emission)
Current one will end at 11th March and approximately provide +23% to your stake (not “APY”. Instantly)
If you will buy veNFT on Vexy, you will spend 250 days to get a cashflow necessary to buy and lock +23% veAERO to your position
Think about that. If you for some reason are bullish on veAERO future, the best option is to act and get Flight School’s +23% for free.
Instruction:
1. Lock AERO -> veAERO
2. Delegate it to Relay or vote yourself.
DO-NOT USE Autopilot(!!) You wouldn’t be eligible for the Flight School after that!!
3. Wait & check your status at official dashboard
https://dune.com/x_drome_analytics/veaero-rewards-program
4. In the meanwhile check stats on our data hub
https://app.valueverse.ai/tokens/aerodrome-finance
There are last two epochs of Flight School that rewards newly-locked veAERO with new AERO (coming from real buybacks not emission)
Current one will end at 11th March and approximately provide +23% to your stake (not “APY”. Instantly)
If you will buy veNFT on Vexy, you will spend 250 days to get a cashflow necessary to buy and lock +23% veAERO to your position
Think about that. If you for some reason are bullish on veAERO future, the best option is to act and get Flight School’s +23% for free.
Instruction:
1. Lock AERO -> veAERO
2. Delegate it to Relay or vote yourself.
DO-NOT USE Autopilot(!!) You wouldn’t be eligible for the Flight School after that!!
3. Wait & check your status at official dashboard
https://dune.com/x_drome_analytics/veaero-rewards-program
4. In the meanwhile check stats on our data hub
https://app.valueverse.ai/tokens/aerodrome-finance
Dune
veAERO Rewards Program | Dune
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