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Temple of the Immovable (Dampa Zangpo)
Vairocana: Emanation of Dharmakaya
Vairocana / Mahāvairocana 大日如来 (Dainichi Nyorai)
Vairocana Is the Primordial Buddha and the Dharmakaya within the Mahayana and Vajrayana understanding.
In the three bodies of the Buddha, we have the following. Nirmanakaya (Transformation or physical body) which is a Buddha / guru who is physically in the human realm. Then Sambhogakaya which is a Divine body like within the Pure Lands / Buddha Realms within the Womb Realm, such as the 5 primary Buddha that have their own realms / heavens, in the cardinal directions. (Five Jinas or Five Tathāgatas).
Lastly, we have Dharmakaya “Dharmic Body” which is the ultimate reality of Buddha nature and Sunyata, they compare this to the Supreme Brahman as depicted within Advaita Vedanta or even in some Upanishads and Bhagavad Gita. Soyen Shaku says it equates with Tathagata and Vairochana and the Buddhas such as Amitabha are expressions of or the emanations of the ultimate Dharmakaya which is more akin an understanding of “God” as would be understood in a Monist / Panentheistic sort of way.
Vairocana is the thereby the Dharmakaya. A all pervasive Buddha nature that is in everything and everything is in it. According to Soyen Shaku, when writing about Zen and Mahayana Buddhism in a way Westerners could understand, it is the closest to the understanding and concept of the God that Buddhism has. Though I would go a step further and say this can only be fully understood by a Neo Platonist, Monist, or Panentheism approach when using Western theology. Within this the Dharmakaya is more akin to the Monad / One / Narayana / Brahman, though a even a bit beyond these concepts as it is both an non-existing existence. This is because Vairocana is the embodiment of Sunyata (Emptiness) yet beyond the concept of embodying.
“Now, I, Vairocana Buddha am sitting atop a lotus pedestal; On a thousand flowers surrounding me are a thousand Sakyamuni Buddhas. Each flower supports a hundred million worlds; in each world a Sakyamuni Buddha appears. All are seated beneath a Bodhi-tree, all simultaneously attain Buddhahood. All these innumerable Buddhas have Vairocana as their original body.” - Brahmajala Sutra
In most Japanese forms of Vajrayana such as Shingon and Shugendo Vairocana is the highest concept to revere or worship.
He was revered so highly that the catholic missionary Francis Xavier equated him with the Christian God in order to convert Japanese people. He ended up using the name Dainichi Nyorai as the name for the Christian “God”.
Within the Pure Land approach often Amidah Buddha is equated as being the same as Vairocana and an interpretation of Dharmakaya.
In Chinese Buddhism he was highly worshipped as well.
In some interpretations he is considered to be the Dharmakaya of the historical Shakyamuni Buddha.
It is possible to see all 5 Wisdom Buddhas / Jinas as aspects of the same greater Dharmakaya.
His direct servant / wrathful incarnation is that of Acala / Fudo Myoo who one will notice an aspect of Shiva-Rudra. The other 5 Wisdom Kings are the wrathful Deva embodiments of each of the 5 Wisdom Buddhas. Each King has an aspect of Shiva-Rudra in their depiction and characteristic.
This would put Dharmakaya (Greater divine / Emptiness) > Mahakali / Shiva-Rudra (Also seen as Avalokiteśvara) > all other Bodhisattva and deities.
This follows the hierarchy of almost all Indo-European faiths.
Dharmakāya > Saṃbhogakāya >Five Wisdom Buddhas > Each Wisdom Buddha emanates Bodhisattvas, Dharmapālas and Gods > Nirmāṇakāya
oṃ vairocana hūṃ
Temple of the Immovable.
Vairocana Is the Primordial Buddha and the Dharmakaya within the Mahayana and Vajrayana understanding.
In the three bodies of the Buddha, we have the following. Nirmanakaya (Transformation or physical body) which is a Buddha / guru who is physically in the human realm. Then Sambhogakaya which is a Divine body like within the Pure Lands / Buddha Realms within the Womb Realm, such as the 5 primary Buddha that have their own realms / heavens, in the cardinal directions. (Five Jinas or Five Tathāgatas).
Lastly, we have Dharmakaya “Dharmic Body” which is the ultimate reality of Buddha nature and Sunyata, they compare this to the Supreme Brahman as depicted within Advaita Vedanta or even in some Upanishads and Bhagavad Gita. Soyen Shaku says it equates with Tathagata and Vairochana and the Buddhas such as Amitabha are expressions of or the emanations of the ultimate Dharmakaya which is more akin an understanding of “God” as would be understood in a Monist / Panentheistic sort of way.
Vairocana is the thereby the Dharmakaya. A all pervasive Buddha nature that is in everything and everything is in it. According to Soyen Shaku, when writing about Zen and Mahayana Buddhism in a way Westerners could understand, it is the closest to the understanding and concept of the God that Buddhism has. Though I would go a step further and say this can only be fully understood by a Neo Platonist, Monist, or Panentheism approach when using Western theology. Within this the Dharmakaya is more akin to the Monad / One / Narayana / Brahman, though a even a bit beyond these concepts as it is both an non-existing existence. This is because Vairocana is the embodiment of Sunyata (Emptiness) yet beyond the concept of embodying.
“Now, I, Vairocana Buddha am sitting atop a lotus pedestal; On a thousand flowers surrounding me are a thousand Sakyamuni Buddhas. Each flower supports a hundred million worlds; in each world a Sakyamuni Buddha appears. All are seated beneath a Bodhi-tree, all simultaneously attain Buddhahood. All these innumerable Buddhas have Vairocana as their original body.” - Brahmajala Sutra
In most Japanese forms of Vajrayana such as Shingon and Shugendo Vairocana is the highest concept to revere or worship.
He was revered so highly that the catholic missionary Francis Xavier equated him with the Christian God in order to convert Japanese people. He ended up using the name Dainichi Nyorai as the name for the Christian “God”.
Within the Pure Land approach often Amidah Buddha is equated as being the same as Vairocana and an interpretation of Dharmakaya.
In Chinese Buddhism he was highly worshipped as well.
In some interpretations he is considered to be the Dharmakaya of the historical Shakyamuni Buddha.
It is possible to see all 5 Wisdom Buddhas / Jinas as aspects of the same greater Dharmakaya.
His direct servant / wrathful incarnation is that of Acala / Fudo Myoo who one will notice an aspect of Shiva-Rudra. The other 5 Wisdom Kings are the wrathful Deva embodiments of each of the 5 Wisdom Buddhas. Each King has an aspect of Shiva-Rudra in their depiction and characteristic.
This would put Dharmakaya (Greater divine / Emptiness) > Mahakali / Shiva-Rudra (Also seen as Avalokiteśvara) > all other Bodhisattva and deities.
This follows the hierarchy of almost all Indo-European faiths.
Dharmakāya > Saṃbhogakāya >Five Wisdom Buddhas > Each Wisdom Buddha emanates Bodhisattvas, Dharmapālas and Gods > Nirmāṇakāya
oṃ vairocana hūṃ
Temple of the Immovable.
Forwarded from Egbert Moray-Falls
"Ten Onenesses [十不二門] ( jippunimon): Also, ten non-dualities. Ten principles set forth by Miao-lo (711–782) in The Annotations on “The Profound Meaning of the Lotus Sutra.” In this work, Miao-lo discusses the ten mystic principles of the theoretical teaching (first half) of the Lotus Sutra and the ten mystic principles of the essential teaching (latter half) of the sutra, which T’ien-t’ai expounded in The Profound Meaning of the Lotus Sutra, and reveals the ten onenesses. The section of Miao-lo’s work that explains this principle later became an independent work called The Ten Onenesses. In it, Miao-lo states that the concept of ten onenesses includes the ten mystic principles of both the theoretical and the essential teachings.
"The ten onenesses are as follows:
(1) The oneness of body and mind. What one observes in meditation is one mind or one thought ( ichinen), which is an indivisible whole of body and mind.
(2) The oneness of the internal and the external. Though the object of meditation is divided into two—the internal object, or the realm of one mind, a psychosomatic entity; and the external object, or the external world of physical and spiritual phenomena—these two are non-dual because one mind embodies the three truths and includes all three thousand realms.
(3) The oneness of the result of practice and the true nature of life. This means that the true nature of life, or the true aspect of all phenomena, is no different from what one ultimately attains through Buddhist practice. The true nature moves one to practice, and practice enables one to manifest the true nature.
(4) The oneness of cause and effect. “Cause” here means ordinary people, and “effect,” Buddhahood. The oneness of cause and effect means that the Buddha nature inherent in the ordinary person is the same as the Buddha nature that the Buddha has manifested.
(5) The oneness of the impure and the pure. Because ignorance or delusion and enlightenment are two expressions of the same mind and essentially one, the impure mind shrouded in ignorance is itself the pure mind that is enlightened.
(6) The oneness of life and its environment. Both the Buddha as a living being and the Buddha land as the environment exist in one mind and are therefore non-dual.
(7) The oneness of self and others. “Self” means the Buddha, who teaches, and “others” means ordinary people, who are taught and enlightened. But they are non-dual because both the Buddha and ordinary people embody the three truths and are endowed with all three thousand realms. In other words, both self (Buddhahood) and others (the nine worlds) are inherent in one mind.
(8) The oneness of thought, word, and deed. The Buddha saves people through his three categories of action—thought, speech, and behavior. These three categories of the Buddha are no different from those of ordinary people because they arise from the three thousand realms inherent in both. Moreover, these three exist in one mind as a psychosomatic whole and therefore are one.
(9) The oneness of the provisional and true teachings. The Buddha preaches the provisional teachings (the three vehicles) and the true teaching (the one vehicle) according to the people’s capacity. Because they both spring from the Buddha’s enlightened mind, however, they are non-dual.
(10) The oneness of benefits. Though people receive different benefits according to the level of the Buddha’s teaching that they practice (such as provisional and true), both the Buddha and the people ultimately enjoy the same benefit, just as plants in a field are all nourished equally by the rain."
From the Soka Gakkai Dictionary of Buddhism
"The ten onenesses are as follows:
(1) The oneness of body and mind. What one observes in meditation is one mind or one thought ( ichinen), which is an indivisible whole of body and mind.
(2) The oneness of the internal and the external. Though the object of meditation is divided into two—the internal object, or the realm of one mind, a psychosomatic entity; and the external object, or the external world of physical and spiritual phenomena—these two are non-dual because one mind embodies the three truths and includes all three thousand realms.
(3) The oneness of the result of practice and the true nature of life. This means that the true nature of life, or the true aspect of all phenomena, is no different from what one ultimately attains through Buddhist practice. The true nature moves one to practice, and practice enables one to manifest the true nature.
(4) The oneness of cause and effect. “Cause” here means ordinary people, and “effect,” Buddhahood. The oneness of cause and effect means that the Buddha nature inherent in the ordinary person is the same as the Buddha nature that the Buddha has manifested.
(5) The oneness of the impure and the pure. Because ignorance or delusion and enlightenment are two expressions of the same mind and essentially one, the impure mind shrouded in ignorance is itself the pure mind that is enlightened.
(6) The oneness of life and its environment. Both the Buddha as a living being and the Buddha land as the environment exist in one mind and are therefore non-dual.
(7) The oneness of self and others. “Self” means the Buddha, who teaches, and “others” means ordinary people, who are taught and enlightened. But they are non-dual because both the Buddha and ordinary people embody the three truths and are endowed with all three thousand realms. In other words, both self (Buddhahood) and others (the nine worlds) are inherent in one mind.
(8) The oneness of thought, word, and deed. The Buddha saves people through his three categories of action—thought, speech, and behavior. These three categories of the Buddha are no different from those of ordinary people because they arise from the three thousand realms inherent in both. Moreover, these three exist in one mind as a psychosomatic whole and therefore are one.
(9) The oneness of the provisional and true teachings. The Buddha preaches the provisional teachings (the three vehicles) and the true teaching (the one vehicle) according to the people’s capacity. Because they both spring from the Buddha’s enlightened mind, however, they are non-dual.
(10) The oneness of benefits. Though people receive different benefits according to the level of the Buddha’s teaching that they practice (such as provisional and true), both the Buddha and the people ultimately enjoy the same benefit, just as plants in a field are all nourished equally by the rain."
From the Soka Gakkai Dictionary of Buddhism
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Here is some proper and well thought out critique and responses to our comments within the debate. Very pleased to see others within the same realm of thought and care for Indo-European spirituality coming together to amicable discuss dharma and spread dharmic understanding.
Forwarded from Egbert Moray-Falls
EMF's_Response_Anatman_Dharmakaya_Debate_V3_Plus_Nichiren_Essay.docx
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Here it is at last. May all living beings benefit.
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The Great Telegram Anatman Debate V4.pdf
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A more complete version of the debate in PDF form.
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The excerpt below is from Soyen Shaku’s “The God-conception of Buddhism”
This is how I see “God” (The One / Monad) within a Dharmakaya understanding via Vajrayana (also some Mahayana) Buddhism.
I think if this approach was fully understood and analyzed, expounded upon, and meditated upon. a lot of the misconception of Buddhism as well as other Indo-European faiths would begin to erode. Read for free on my Patreon.
https://www.patreon.com/posts/dharmakaya-and-64673351
This is how I see “God” (The One / Monad) within a Dharmakaya understanding via Vajrayana (also some Mahayana) Buddhism.
I think if this approach was fully understood and analyzed, expounded upon, and meditated upon. a lot of the misconception of Buddhism as well as other Indo-European faiths would begin to erode. Read for free on my Patreon.
https://www.patreon.com/posts/dharmakaya-and-64673351
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In the stage of perfection called trance, or samadhi, one's mind is completely restrained from material mental activities by practice of yoga. This perfection is characterized by one's ability to see the Self by the pure mind and to relish and rejoice in the Self. In that joyous state, one is situated in boundless transcendental happiness, realized through transcendental senses. Established thus, one never departs from the truth, and upon gaining this he thinks there is no greater gain. Being situated in such a position, one is never shaken, even in the midst of great difficulty. This indeed is actual freedom from all miseries arising from material contact.
Bhagavad Gita 6.20-23
Bhagavad Gita 6.20-23
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Hammer_and_Vajra_Interview_with_Vajrarāṣṭra_on_Yogachara,_Dharmakaya.pdf
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Hammer and Vajra: Interview with Vajrarāṣṭra on Yogachara, Dharmakaya, and the Nature of Divinity and Existence in Vajrayana Buddhism.
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Comparative etymology of Vedic Sanskrit to Avestan for religious words.
Pull from Wikipedia who derived it from multiple sources.
Primarily from Griswold, H. D.; Griswold, Hervey De Witt (1971). The Religion of the Ṛigveda
Uploaded here for prosperity and reference. You never know when they will update and change these things.
It is interesting to not the direct relationships between the terms in these closely related Indo-European groups as well as later developed terms from Sanskrit found in Buddhism and other “Hindu” branches.
Of course, one can also connect many of these terms to Latin, Greek, and Germanic languages. To some degree Celtic as well.
Hope those of you studying find it as interesting as I did.
Hammer and Vajra.
Pull from Wikipedia who derived it from multiple sources.
Primarily from Griswold, H. D.; Griswold, Hervey De Witt (1971). The Religion of the Ṛigveda
Uploaded here for prosperity and reference. You never know when they will update and change these things.
It is interesting to not the direct relationships between the terms in these closely related Indo-European groups as well as later developed terms from Sanskrit found in Buddhism and other “Hindu” branches.
Of course, one can also connect many of these terms to Latin, Greek, and Germanic languages. To some degree Celtic as well.
Hope those of you studying find it as interesting as I did.
Hammer and Vajra.
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Narasimha is the wrathful emanation (Avatar) of Lord Vishnu.
His birth and mission shows how the Dharmic Divine protect their devotees and will strike down those who are adharmic.
A decent video with the Mantra for Sri Narasimha is below for those who are interested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yti1n8Y7Ng
His birth and mission shows how the Dharmic Divine protect their devotees and will strike down those who are adharmic.
A decent video with the Mantra for Sri Narasimha is below for those who are interested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yti1n8Y7Ng
While Yamantaka / Vajrabhairava (Japanese 大威徳明王 Daiitoku-myōō) is seen as the slayer of death or the wrathful embodiment of Manjushri, he is also potentially seen as the enlightened embodiment of Lord Yama himself. He isn't an anti Vedic statement but an including and merger of and expanding of the domain and expression of Yama within a way to provide or lead people out of Hell and away from death.
He is also the Wisdom King of the West and has many aspects of Lord Shiva (as do the other Wisdom Kings), in this way he is Shiva embodied as and Enlightened form of Yama via the wisdom and guidance of Manjushri (who said he was the origin of the teaching of Shiva) to guide people to higher realms.
Within some Vedic Hindu and Buddhist synchronism Manjushri is seen as a form of Shiva-Rudra directly.
Interesting video guide to Yamantaka
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE8wBQ8z970
He is also the Wisdom King of the West and has many aspects of Lord Shiva (as do the other Wisdom Kings), in this way he is Shiva embodied as and Enlightened form of Yama via the wisdom and guidance of Manjushri (who said he was the origin of the teaching of Shiva) to guide people to higher realms.
Within some Vedic Hindu and Buddhist synchronism Manjushri is seen as a form of Shiva-Rudra directly.
Interesting video guide to Yamantaka
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE8wBQ8z970
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