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5 Lessons from my Ncase 3090 Build

An update on my Ncase M1 3090 deshroud build from December: [Original Post Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/sffpc/comments/klpwr0/3090_ncase_m1_deshroud/)

I have been tinkering with it pretty solidly since Christmas: Custom pslate cables, a larger EK rad, loop drain points, different fan configs... etc. etc.

Anyway, at some point in January the CPU started overheating. Not just "its a 3090 in a sff box - its going to run hot" overheating. I'm talking 90+ degrees across all CPU cores just after windows boot, (with GPU still in the mid 20's).

2 months later, I've learned a lot and it is completely sorted, Runs nice and cool now. I had to change the whole CPU cooling setup and I'm glad I did.

Now its working again: I have some things I would do differently next time - and save myself a 2 month headache. Here's the list:

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1. **Get Custom Cables**. - I thought it was a 'nice to have' item, but its honestly essential in a small case. Forcing cables into gaps, stressing connectors, cable ties sticking into spinning fans, and the whole lot restricting airflow - basically money well spent.
2. **If water-cooling: use 16/10 soft tubing, not 13/10.** \- I started with 13/10 because I cannibalised an alphacool eisbaer lt aio. However I should have noticed it had bend restrictors across all of its tubing. I replaced much of it with standard Alphacool 13/10 tubing and then struggled with kinks trying to fit into the Ncase. I have now ended up with all EK stuff and 16/10 tubing, should have done that from the start.
3. **Don't pair a large radiator with a very small pump.** \- I am 99% sure my overheating problems stemmed from trying to drive an EK PE240 (40mm) rad with a pump that struggled to drive it: the Alphacool Eisbaer LT pump block. The Rad that Aplhacool AIO comes with is a 25mm ultraslim. There's probably some research I could have done but I didn't think about it - I would next time. - you should too.
4. **Go Custom Loop instead of AIO.** \- I originally didn't want to build a custom loop because I'd only ever used air and figured I didn't have the skills and there was a risk of undesirable wetness.. I should have just built a custom loop from the start. It isn't hard. Its actually a lot easier than the route I ended up going. I now have the iceman reservoir paired with an EKDDC pump. It was easy to set up and being able to fit the tubing to the case means there's much less superfluous tubing to force into a tight space.
5. **You can fit a cheeky 5th fan.** \- In the Ncase, a 90mm, under the PSU. It fits sideways behind the GPU and gives you 2-3 degrees better temps. I'm using a de-shrouded 3090 so cant comment on other GPU's. You can probably only do this with custom cables as otherwise your unsightly cable mess goes here.

[Radiator Goes Here](https://preview.redd.it/baiw8o4l38n61.jpg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=74c1d65a4243561c1b0526741bd365dcc0b55e74)

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[90mm Fan](https://preview.redd.it/2xna6jo348n61.jpg?width=1599&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=16f16b7b7004d4f8ea0c2127f5287814920eaf9c)

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[Iceman Reservoir, EK DDC Pump](https://preview.redd.it/0in3lwp548n61.jpg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=32e0002699aff3045ee03f0e17e7bb95da1a9740)

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[TUF 3090 De-shroud](https://preview.redd.it/86idyv1e48n61.jpg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8ab2672aea911fdb73188dbda28befca0155d47f)

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[Top Down](https://preview.redd.it/tqhibzgg48n61.jpg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5cacce91bff7e1b675d32bf94ffd8a3f5838f168)

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[Reservoir IN\/OUT Fittings](https://preview.redd.it/f00e4s6j48n61.jpg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=67baaa837bb7e7cb8349b9339238f0c1fcfce81e)

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[Neat Cables](https://preview.redd.it/6t0qm5nn48n61.jpg?width=899&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3280f66b3f1264f85c95c71d91e561331dea8ba0)

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[Loop Complete](https://preview.redd.it/w9a5aepu48n61.jpg?width=1598&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4ddda9a76194774a3dc4b9c7b38c368a0a25723f)

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[Cat Selects 16\/10
First Build Advice

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Hey everyone.

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I'm new here and after lurking for a few years it's time for me to give up MAC and come back to windows. Below is where i'm at right now.

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I'm looking to build a workstation/gaming beast of a computer. I work from home and game on GPU intensive games like warzone, witcher 3 , fortnite and alot of Adobe.

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What do you think about the part list so far?

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[PCPartPicker Part List\](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cmBxmk)

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Type|Item|Price

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**CPU** | [AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor\](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qtvqqs/amd-ryzen-7-5800x-38-ghz-8-core-processor-100-100000063wof) | $449.00 @ Amazon

**Motherboard** | [Gigabyte B550I AORUS PRO AX Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard\](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9pn8TW/gigabyte-b550i-aorus-pro-ax-mini-itx-am4-motherboard-b550i-aorus-pro-ax) | $199.99 @ Amazon

**Memory** | [Crucial Ballistix 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory\](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/BxTzK8/crucial-ballistix-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3200-memory-bl2k8g32c16u4b) | $81.33 @ Amazon

**Storage** | [\\*Samsung 970 Evo 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive\](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/P4ZFf7/samsung-970-evo-500gb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-mz-v7e500bw) | $74.99 @ B&H

**Storage** | [Samsung 970 Evo 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive\](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JLdxFT/samsung-970-evo-10tb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-mz-v7e1t0baw) | $144.99 @ Amazon

**Video Card** | [NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 8 GB Founders Edition Video Card\](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/m8pmP6/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3070-8-gb-founders-edition-video-card-9001g1422510000) |-

**Case** | [Cooler Master MasterBox NR200P Mini ITX Desktop Case\](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/29drxr/cooler-master-masterbox-nr200p-mini-itx-desktop-case-mcb-nr200p-kgnn-s00) | $129.99 @ Amazon

**Operating System** | [\\*Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit\](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MfH48d/microsoft-os-fqc08930) | $139.88 @ Other World Computing

| *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* |

| **Total** | **$1220.17**

| \\*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria |

| Generated by [PCPartPicker\](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2021-03-15 14:54 EDT-0400 |

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Custom power supply questions

I'm working on a small custom case and in the interest of saving space I've been looking for the perfect sized psu. Well I found one, it's an acdc adaptor coupled with a picobox. What are the issues with going with this path?

I'm sure I will have to add an extra fuse between the adaptor and pico, but otherwise it should be good right?

Adaptor
Input: 90-265VAC, 2.5a/115VAC
Output: 12VDC, 10a, 120w

-> 15a fuse ->

Picobox
Input: 12VDC, max 21a
Output: 24pin mb, 8pin cpu, sata power, 4 pin molex

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a Zen 3 APU alternative

Noob to graphic cards (not a gamer...yet).

In the absence of the possibility of finding a Zen3 APU, what small reliable graphics card could I add to a Zen3 CPU as an alternative to a Zen3 APU?

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