Discussed Trope, type 3:
And then there are the discussions that go something like, "If this were an action movie, talking about your family like that would mean you'd be dead in a few minutes." or "Unlike what you may read in detective stories, the Butler is a somewhat unlikely suspect in any murder investigation of this sort, for reasons X, Y and Z."
And then there are the discussions that go something like, "If this were an action movie, talking about your family like that would mean you'd be dead in a few minutes." or "Unlike what you may read in detective stories, the Butler is a somewhat unlikely suspect in any murder investigation of this sort, for reasons X, Y and Z."
From the same page,
"This kind of conversation is used to set up either a justification (Invoked Tropes normally just sort of assume the trope is Truth in Television), a fully noted aversion, some variety of deconstruction or a way of hanging a lampshade. In some cases, it leads to Death by Genre Savviness."
"This kind of conversation is used to set up either a justification (Invoked Tropes normally just sort of assume the trope is Truth in Television), a fully noted aversion, some variety of deconstruction or a way of hanging a lampshade. In some cases, it leads to Death by Genre Savviness."
Wrong Genre Savvy
"If a character in a series that has a Fourth Wall thinks mainly in terms of tropes, you've probably got a character who's Wrong Genre Savvy. Even if you're correct about being in a story, it's possible for you to guess wrong about your role in the story, the genre of the story, or where on the various sliding scales your story is. Any way you spin it, it's still a common way of subverting Genre Savviness.
This can be a minefield. Say a stranger turns up on your doorstep; if he's a vampire, he can't hurt you unless you invite him in, but if he's an Angel Unaware or King Incognito, you might damn yourself by turning him away. And look at it from the visitor's point of view; if you're an honourable fairytale knight, you won't lay a finger on anyone who's eaten your food, but if you're one of The Fair Folk, eating your food will trap him there forever. What's a Genre Savvy guy to do?"
"If a character in a series that has a Fourth Wall thinks mainly in terms of tropes, you've probably got a character who's Wrong Genre Savvy. Even if you're correct about being in a story, it's possible for you to guess wrong about your role in the story, the genre of the story, or where on the various sliding scales your story is. Any way you spin it, it's still a common way of subverting Genre Savviness.
This can be a minefield. Say a stranger turns up on your doorstep; if he's a vampire, he can't hurt you unless you invite him in, but if he's an Angel Unaware or King Incognito, you might damn yourself by turning him away. And look at it from the visitor's point of view; if you're an honourable fairytale knight, you won't lay a finger on anyone who's eaten your food, but if you're one of The Fair Folk, eating your food will trap him there forever. What's a Genre Savvy guy to do?"
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Putting this here and some other places for safekeeping. I am not caught up here yet and I am interested in integrating some of these conversations. :-)
https://the-metanoiac-portal.mn.co/posts/new-view-and-discuss-format
https://the-metanoiac-portal.mn.co/posts/new-view-and-discuss-format
The Metanoiac Portal
Here there be the Dragon.
Upholder of Truth, undoer of onticide, reveller in BlaQueer 'scapes.
Full on friendship, empty of enmity, builder of communities of care.
One Hell of a bird, with spears instead of spoons, and a long, long way to go.
Upholder of Truth, undoer of onticide, reveller in BlaQueer 'scapes.
Full on friendship, empty of enmity, builder of communities of care.
One Hell of a bird, with spears instead of spoons, and a long, long way to go.
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Now I really want somebody to come and watch encounter at farpoint with me :-)
Font of good ideas! Oh my!