James Ellis (meta_nomad): ...from that If accelerationism is this all-consuming positive feedback process, in what sense do you see the capital of accelerationism as different from the kind of classical almost deification of Marx's capital?

Nick Land: Well, when you say almost deification, can I just ask you to sort of,

James Ellis (meta_nomad): my reading of Marx is a amateur at best, but the way I see Marx is reading capital is that it very quickly becomes an overarching thing with a capital T, which kind of cons… ultimately can consume and subsume anything into it. And once you have that framework, nothing is actually able to escape this godlike structure of capital. Is there a difference there you find between this?

Nick Land: Well, I don't know. I mean, if godlike simply means entirely dominant, then I kind of think maybe that's fine. I mean, you know, theoretically speaking, there are all kinds of ethical political issues that no doubt we'll talk about. But I think I see that as an extremely valuable insight as far as Marx is concerned. The fact that the motor of modernity, its fundamental infrastructure, is capital. And that is because capital is, at its fundamentals, nothing but a self-amplifying diagram that will, you know, every attempt to sort of fix a particular epoch or set of characteristics of capital that concretizes it beyond that abstract loop tends to be just outflanked and enveloped by the actual process, which has no sort of attachment to any particular concrete instantiation as long as that concrete instantiation allows this abstract amplificatory loop to realize itself. And anything that obviously inhibits that loop tends to be outcompeted by something that inhibits it less, which I think, again, is already a fully Marxian insight. I don't think there's anything original about that, so that's why it tends towards an increasingly intense actualization of this extremely abstract diagram. You can't depart from the diagram without dysfunction, without being competitively eliminated. And that's why, you know, in the way that you've just described it, it monopolizes escape. If escape into capitalism isn't escape you want, then history, modern history, is not for you. It's not something that's gonna work for you, which is, of course, a common situation.

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