I finally watched the show (spoilers)
Spoilers!!!
This is probably one of my favorite shows of all time. There was so many times in the finale that I had to stop myself from crying. The ending hit me so hard, I liked Jack alot at times and other times I just wanted someone to punch him because he was so headstrong and emotional in situations but it was a love hate relationship for me. When Christian told him he was dead it hurt my heart, I knew it was coming but I assumed he would see himself in the coffin.
That ending reminded me of the funeral scene on scrubs
I'm glad they all met up in the end but I really wish we got to see how Hurley and Ben's journey went with Walt, a few more episodes about the afterlife or at least some where we could see what happened to Kate and Sawyer when they made it home. (I don't care much for Claire)
Also it threw me off how Sayid was back with Sharron in the afterlife, I really thought he'd be with Nadia the person he truly loved.
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This is probably one of my favorite shows of all time. There was so many times in the finale that I had to stop myself from crying. The ending hit me so hard, I liked Jack alot at times and other times I just wanted someone to punch him because he was so headstrong and emotional in situations but it was a love hate relationship for me. When Christian told him he was dead it hurt my heart, I knew it was coming but I assumed he would see himself in the coffin.
That ending reminded me of the funeral scene on scrubs
I'm glad they all met up in the end but I really wish we got to see how Hurley and Ben's journey went with Walt, a few more episodes about the afterlife or at least some where we could see what happened to Kate and Sawyer when they made it home. (I don't care much for Claire)
Also it threw me off how Sayid was back with Sharron in the afterlife, I really thought he'd be with Nadia the person he truly loved.
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T.W. is behind the whole show isn't he
First time watcher, just finished Season 5. I'm aware that, like other show-based subreddits, I should probably get out of here before I'm spoiled. But I've already heard the most relevant Season 6 spoilers and right now I just want to understand/confirm what the Season 5 finale showed.
So... Titus Welliver is the reason for the plot then, because he's Jacob's evil counterpart? Like God and the Devil, for instance? And the whole show happened bc Titus wanted to kill Jacob, but wasn't "allowed to" for some reason, so found a way for Ben to do it as a "loophole"?
From my understanding rn, Titus can't kill Jacob, perhaps because mythical godlike beings just can't kill each other, so he had to come up with a way for a human to do it. The obvious answer would've been to just manipulate/convince some sucker to do it, but that's hard when the natives all worship Jacob. Anyone who could even go to the statue, whether it be a native or an outsider, probably couldn't get in because some natives would be guarding or at least watching the place, and would probably kill anyone who'd try to go inside other than their leader (if that part isn't true then that's just Titus not taking advantage of the natives being dumb, and thus being dumb himself). So Titus had to find some way to get someone in there who'd want to kill Jacob, while ensuring that the natives would allow it. Since it appears Titus shape-shifted/disguised himself as John, he could've always posed as the natives' leader and just demanded someone else come in the statue with him, but that normally wouldn't have worked bc a leader breaking tradition like that would've made Richard or someone else suspicious (again if that's not true, that's Titus being dumb for not trying this scheme anytime earlier). So to get around THAT, Titus had to somehow ensure that an outsider was the leader and then impersonate them immediately and for a very short time, so that the natives don't know them well enough to know that they were secretly Titus. So Titus had to make an outsider the leader, AND manipulate someone to kill Jacob?! Yeah I get why this plan took centuries, if not millennia, to be accomplished.
Very few outsiders other than Dharma folk ever came to the island, and most of them had the charisma of a dead fish, so Titus had to get some other outsider here: one whom he could impersonate, and one whom he could manipulate (as well as manipulate others) to believe in himself as a "chosen one" of some kind. But it's hard to get people to the island since it moves, so Titus ultimately concluded that the island could release an electromagentic pulse at the moment the supposed "chosen one" was in a plane flying overhead, so that the plane could crash onto the island. This was apparently easier than just getting someone on a boat and telling them to sail to a certain coordinate at a certain time, but whatever, maybe Titus had a limit to how much he could influence the real world. I'm still a bit confused on the mythology but again I haven't finished the show so that's my own fault. Anyway, now Titus had to get the chosen one on a plane, and also make an electromagnetic pulse happen, and also time the two to be in-sync... jesus fucking christ Titus is either dedicated or insane to orchestrate all that.
For the plane part, Lance Reddick's character convinced John to go on a "walkabout" at that moment in time. Lance was employed by Widmore, who was an island native, so Titus had to ensure Widmore knew about John and would want him to get on that plane. How could he get Widmore to know that John was the "chosen one"? Time travel, baby. There's a time wheel after all, and I bet Titus knew about it since again he's like the opposite of Jacob. (Edward?) He had to make the island unstable in time to send John to the past and thus convince Richard and Widmore, but the instability had to happen after John's plane crashed. Any sequence of events could've made someone turn the wheel at that point in time, really, but luckily Widmore
First time watcher, just finished Season 5. I'm aware that, like other show-based subreddits, I should probably get out of here before I'm spoiled. But I've already heard the most relevant Season 6 spoilers and right now I just want to understand/confirm what the Season 5 finale showed.
So... Titus Welliver is the reason for the plot then, because he's Jacob's evil counterpart? Like God and the Devil, for instance? And the whole show happened bc Titus wanted to kill Jacob, but wasn't "allowed to" for some reason, so found a way for Ben to do it as a "loophole"?
From my understanding rn, Titus can't kill Jacob, perhaps because mythical godlike beings just can't kill each other, so he had to come up with a way for a human to do it. The obvious answer would've been to just manipulate/convince some sucker to do it, but that's hard when the natives all worship Jacob. Anyone who could even go to the statue, whether it be a native or an outsider, probably couldn't get in because some natives would be guarding or at least watching the place, and would probably kill anyone who'd try to go inside other than their leader (if that part isn't true then that's just Titus not taking advantage of the natives being dumb, and thus being dumb himself). So Titus had to find some way to get someone in there who'd want to kill Jacob, while ensuring that the natives would allow it. Since it appears Titus shape-shifted/disguised himself as John, he could've always posed as the natives' leader and just demanded someone else come in the statue with him, but that normally wouldn't have worked bc a leader breaking tradition like that would've made Richard or someone else suspicious (again if that's not true, that's Titus being dumb for not trying this scheme anytime earlier). So to get around THAT, Titus had to somehow ensure that an outsider was the leader and then impersonate them immediately and for a very short time, so that the natives don't know them well enough to know that they were secretly Titus. So Titus had to make an outsider the leader, AND manipulate someone to kill Jacob?! Yeah I get why this plan took centuries, if not millennia, to be accomplished.
Very few outsiders other than Dharma folk ever came to the island, and most of them had the charisma of a dead fish, so Titus had to get some other outsider here: one whom he could impersonate, and one whom he could manipulate (as well as manipulate others) to believe in himself as a "chosen one" of some kind. But it's hard to get people to the island since it moves, so Titus ultimately concluded that the island could release an electromagentic pulse at the moment the supposed "chosen one" was in a plane flying overhead, so that the plane could crash onto the island. This was apparently easier than just getting someone on a boat and telling them to sail to a certain coordinate at a certain time, but whatever, maybe Titus had a limit to how much he could influence the real world. I'm still a bit confused on the mythology but again I haven't finished the show so that's my own fault. Anyway, now Titus had to get the chosen one on a plane, and also make an electromagnetic pulse happen, and also time the two to be in-sync... jesus fucking christ Titus is either dedicated or insane to orchestrate all that.
For the plane part, Lance Reddick's character convinced John to go on a "walkabout" at that moment in time. Lance was employed by Widmore, who was an island native, so Titus had to ensure Widmore knew about John and would want him to get on that plane. How could he get Widmore to know that John was the "chosen one"? Time travel, baby. There's a time wheel after all, and I bet Titus knew about it since again he's like the opposite of Jacob. (Edward?) He had to make the island unstable in time to send John to the past and thus convince Richard and Widmore, but the instability had to happen after John's plane crashed. Any sequence of events could've made someone turn the wheel at that point in time, really, but luckily Widmore
scared Ben enough for Ben to want to hide the island and turn the wheel. Maybe that was Titus too or maybe not, I'm not sure. So yeah, that's the plane part. The electromagnetic pulse part was because Desmond didn't press the button that one time, and I'm also not sure if Titus orchestrated that specifically or if Desmond was always gonna try to prove himself to Penny by going sailing and then crashing and then getting jaded enough to not push the button that one time. Penny being Widmore's daughter really could've been coincidental I guess, but maybe Titus planned their meeting. And maybe Titus made the Dharma Initiative drill into the electromagnetic pocket that necessitated the button and the hatch, or maybe that was always going to happen prior to the 815 survivors getting there (because they were only in 1977 and on the island at all because the button crashed their plane, so the button had to be made in the original timeline pre-815 flight, no? Ugh this time paradox stuff hurts my brain)
ANYWAY, yeah knowing about planes, Titus waited for the modern age for a "chosen one," and then orchestrated the plane crash. Meanwhile he manipulated events in Ben's life to make Ben eventually decide he did want to kill Jacob. A big part of that was Widmore killing Alex, so yeah Titus probably had to do with their ongoing feud too. Titus DEFINITELY shape-shifted as Alex's ghost when she "told" Ben to obey John no matter what, that's pretty obvious to me now. Since "John" was Titus that couldn't have been Jacob or the island or the smoke monster or whatever doing that, Alex's ghost had to be Titus too. He's also probably been Christian this whole time too since the Season 5 finale pretty much cemented that yeah, nobody on the island can be resurrected, so if you see a ghost, it's not who you think. Unless that was Jacob in disguise, not Titus. I wonder if either Titus or Jacob was also Hurley's imaginary friend or if that was just-okay sorry I'm getting sidetracked. Titus also had to make it so that Ben could come back to the island too to stab Jacob, and if Titus was Christian, then he got John to think he was Jack's dad, which convinces Jack to want to get everyone back to the island, right?
In conclusion, Titus had a complex plan involving time-travel to impersonate John (among others) and get Ben to stab Jacob, and that's why the plane crashed and so that's why this whole show exists. Have I got that right? If I'm missing anything or got something wrong please lmk, and I don't mind some spoilers since again I honestly just want to understand this, and again, I know some stuff from Season 6 including that it mostly just focuses on the characters in a purgatory realm after the events of the show.
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ANYWAY, yeah knowing about planes, Titus waited for the modern age for a "chosen one," and then orchestrated the plane crash. Meanwhile he manipulated events in Ben's life to make Ben eventually decide he did want to kill Jacob. A big part of that was Widmore killing Alex, so yeah Titus probably had to do with their ongoing feud too. Titus DEFINITELY shape-shifted as Alex's ghost when she "told" Ben to obey John no matter what, that's pretty obvious to me now. Since "John" was Titus that couldn't have been Jacob or the island or the smoke monster or whatever doing that, Alex's ghost had to be Titus too. He's also probably been Christian this whole time too since the Season 5 finale pretty much cemented that yeah, nobody on the island can be resurrected, so if you see a ghost, it's not who you think. Unless that was Jacob in disguise, not Titus. I wonder if either Titus or Jacob was also Hurley's imaginary friend or if that was just-okay sorry I'm getting sidetracked. Titus also had to make it so that Ben could come back to the island too to stab Jacob, and if Titus was Christian, then he got John to think he was Jack's dad, which convinces Jack to want to get everyone back to the island, right?
In conclusion, Titus had a complex plan involving time-travel to impersonate John (among others) and get Ben to stab Jacob, and that's why the plane crashed and so that's why this whole show exists. Have I got that right? If I'm missing anything or got something wrong please lmk, and I don't mind some spoilers since again I honestly just want to understand this, and again, I know some stuff from Season 6 including that it mostly just focuses on the characters in a purgatory realm after the events of the show.
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Favorite "Remembering" Scene?
During the finale...
So many emotional moments. Which one hit you the most?
For me, I think it was Kate/Claire/Charlie.
Side note: I made the mistake of watching the syndicated finale version (2 part) at the end of my first rewatch ever...totally forgot about the fact that there were portions cut out for that. Watching the uncut today. Feels like I missed out on some of the payoff, though, watching the other first.
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During the finale...
So many emotional moments. Which one hit you the most?
For me, I think it was Kate/Claire/Charlie.
Side note: I made the mistake of watching the syndicated finale version (2 part) at the end of my first rewatch ever...totally forgot about the fact that there were portions cut out for that. Watching the uncut today. Feels like I missed out on some of the payoff, though, watching the other first.
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S4E13 and 14 - What an insane reveal
what in the WORLD were those two episodes 😭
just so much being revealed it was such a treat to watch it for the first time.
okay so a TIME TRAVELING bunny? what in the world? then the BOAT blows up and Jin apparently dies too?
I’m guessing that Michael’s dead too with Jin now?
THEN Ben MOVES THE ISLAND to who knows where, but then he shows up in the future and he isn’t gone and is trying to get ALL of them to go back to the island
Locke and Richard too, he’s leading them now apparently which is gonna be cool to see.
I really wonder what will happen to Faraday as well and the people on the small boat!
there’s also the whole thing with Christian and Claire, and how he’s like speaking for Jacob?
then the BIG reveal, JEREMY is actually LOCKE? how in the WORLD did he leave the island and go to talk to them one by one? And why did he choose that name as well, and what happened to the people on the island.
not to mention Desmond finally meeting up with Penny again 😭 such a cool scene, especially right after with Jack saying see you in another life brother.
it’s sooo cool that they’ve introduced time travel apparently now, i am super hyped for Season 5, i hope to start it this week
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what in the WORLD were those two episodes 😭
just so much being revealed it was such a treat to watch it for the first time.
okay so a TIME TRAVELING bunny? what in the world? then the BOAT blows up and Jin apparently dies too?
I’m guessing that Michael’s dead too with Jin now?
THEN Ben MOVES THE ISLAND to who knows where, but then he shows up in the future and he isn’t gone and is trying to get ALL of them to go back to the island
Locke and Richard too, he’s leading them now apparently which is gonna be cool to see.
I really wonder what will happen to Faraday as well and the people on the small boat!
there’s also the whole thing with Christian and Claire, and how he’s like speaking for Jacob?
then the BIG reveal, JEREMY is actually LOCKE? how in the WORLD did he leave the island and go to talk to them one by one? And why did he choose that name as well, and what happened to the people on the island.
not to mention Desmond finally meeting up with Penny again 😭 such a cool scene, especially right after with Jack saying see you in another life brother.
it’s sooo cool that they’ve introduced time travel apparently now, i am super hyped for Season 5, i hope to start it this week
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S4E12 - this is getting super intense
man this is such a good finale i can’t wait to watch the other 2 parts
everyone’s doing their own thing and i can’t wait to see how it’ll all line up in the end
Richard is by far the most interesting character here for me, just can’t wait to see what he’s all about and what his mission is.
on top of the Flash Forwards and Jack finally being told Claire is his sister 😭 this season is soooo
good.
THEN Ben and Locke are trying to move the island as well
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man this is such a good finale i can’t wait to watch the other 2 parts
everyone’s doing their own thing and i can’t wait to see how it’ll all line up in the end
Richard is by far the most interesting character here for me, just can’t wait to see what he’s all about and what his mission is.
on top of the Flash Forwards and Jack finally being told Claire is his sister 😭 this season is soooo
good.
THEN Ben and Locke are trying to move the island as well
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Highly confused about the hydrogen bomb explosion
Finished the series and too many questions around this:
\- Did the bomb explode?
\- If it exploded why didn't everyone die?
\- If it exploded and Jack, Kate and etc were transported to the future instead of dying, what about the dharma workers and Miles' father father who appeared on the dharma tapes?
How could they survive a hydrogen bomb explosion since miles' father obviously lives to talk the "incident" on the dharma tapes?
\- If the bomb exploded, then what happened to the incident? Was it diverted since the electromagnetic field could no longer be released due to the explosion? If so, why does the plane crash still occur?
\- Did Daniels mother have the memory that she is the killer of her own son?
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Finished the series and too many questions around this:
\- Did the bomb explode?
\- If it exploded why didn't everyone die?
\- If it exploded and Jack, Kate and etc were transported to the future instead of dying, what about the dharma workers and Miles' father father who appeared on the dharma tapes?
How could they survive a hydrogen bomb explosion since miles' father obviously lives to talk the "incident" on the dharma tapes?
\- If the bomb exploded, then what happened to the incident? Was it diverted since the electromagnetic field could no longer be released due to the explosion? If so, why does the plane crash still occur?
\- Did Daniels mother have the memory that she is the killer of her own son?
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I started watching this show. Any lists of all the released ARG videos, audios and/or commercials that I can add to the watch?
Please give me a release order or something to watch it with. I've already watched this btw:
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Please give me a release order or something to watch it with. I've already watched this btw:
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Who is the most handsome Guy in Lost?
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Who is the most handsome Guy in Lost?
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Say something genuinely nice about the episode Stranger in a Strange Land
I've rewatched about 7 or 8 times, and there's not a single episode I dislike. The criticisms for this episode are well documented, so let's say something we genuinely think the episode did well, or scenes we liked.
For instance, I liked seeing Sawyer be nice (nice for Sawyer) to Karl.
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I've rewatched about 7 or 8 times, and there's not a single episode I dislike. The criticisms for this episode are well documented, so let's say something we genuinely think the episode did well, or scenes we liked.
For instance, I liked seeing Sawyer be nice (nice for Sawyer) to Karl.
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Hello guys, I just finished this series, and it’s probably one of my favorite series I’ve ever watched.
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Does anyone else feel like the back story of the others kind of ruins the show and sends it off track? 1. I think the beginning of the show is so much better when it’s just about survival and getting to know the characters. The others also work much better for me when there mysterious and creepy, like the discovery of Ethan, or the first meeting with the torches. I would have kept the show purely about survival with the mystery aspects never fully explained and have the others be a former crash trying to claim the island, living in isolation and building their own civilization (which they essentially do) but more in the sense of a new nation rather then a science experiment.
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Does anyone else feel like the back story of the others kind of ruins the show and sends it off track? 1. I think the beginning of the show is so much better when it’s just about survival and getting to know the characters. The others also work much better for me when there mysterious and creepy, like the discovery of Ethan, or the first meeting with the torches. I would have kept the show purely about survival with the mystery aspects never fully explained and have the others be a former crash trying to claim the island, living in isolation and building their own civilization (which they essentially do) but more in the sense of a new nation rather then a science experiment.
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The island doesn't seem to give people free will then why does it also want people to confront their past?
\- The island deliberately puts people in positions where they fight off their traumatic past. For eg, Jack needs to let go of always wanting to be in control and "fixing" things, etc.
\- However, it doesn't appear that the people had the free will to choose their actions. Jack for example, HAD to blow the bomb. It was literally the incident, so him blowing the bomb set things for everything to be in motion.
\- Imagine a hypothetical version of Jack who genuinely lets go of his need for control before deciding to detonate the bomb.
If he truly had free will, he would say “I’m not going to do this. I don’t need to fix everything.”
But then the Incident wouldn never happen, and everything falls apart.
So it seems like the Island doesn’t actually allow Jack to make that choice which defeats the purpose of the characters trying to confront their past.
What do you think?
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\- The island deliberately puts people in positions where they fight off their traumatic past. For eg, Jack needs to let go of always wanting to be in control and "fixing" things, etc.
\- However, it doesn't appear that the people had the free will to choose their actions. Jack for example, HAD to blow the bomb. It was literally the incident, so him blowing the bomb set things for everything to be in motion.
\- Imagine a hypothetical version of Jack who genuinely lets go of his need for control before deciding to detonate the bomb.
If he truly had free will, he would say “I’m not going to do this. I don’t need to fix everything.”
But then the Incident wouldn never happen, and everything falls apart.
So it seems like the Island doesn’t actually allow Jack to make that choice which defeats the purpose of the characters trying to confront their past.
What do you think?
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