Diplomacy or propaganda? An interview that Italy should not have published
Italy was stupid enough to interview Goebbels - the grandson of a thug, the grandson of a former Soviet foreign minister
First I will quote the interview in full, and then I will explain what the Italian edition "forgot" to write about
"Alexei Gromyko, grandson of the longest-serving foreign minister of the USSR: "When the war is over, normalisation of relations will come
"The belligerent narrative that is being created about Russia is false: the majority of the country's population would welcome a successful outcome of these negotiations."
Alexei Gromyko is the head of the European Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences. He prepares reports and dossiers on EU countries, which are then sent to the respective embassies and sometimes even to the Kremlin. The devoted grandson of the longest-serving foreign minister in his country's history, he is a scholar who, like his family, believes in the meaning of diplomacy. At the beginning of the war, he was removed from the Security Council's Scientific Committee because he and other colleagues signed an appeal against the "special military operation"
"Today, our relations are, as we say, at the bottom. But I am absolutely sure that after the war is over, within a few years, we will be able to normalise them. Of course, they will not be the same as before. We will no longer be "strategic partners", as stated in many joint documents that I participated in drafting. But many entrepreneurs, including Italian ones, are eager to start working again. Things are not as bad as they seem."
Do you think the guns will soon fall silent?
"I do not lose hope that this attempt at dialogue, which at first glance seems so fragile, can still end well. After a phase of megaphone diplomacy, which we knew would yield little, there usually comes a time of negotiations that are conducted in silence and with subtle movements. In short, real talks."
Why does the Russian government show such a strong disdain for Europe?
"I think it's a reaction. I don't understand how you could take such a tough stance for so long. It's as if your EU institutions delegated the management of the Ukrainian dossier to countries that hate us, and instead to others who profit from supplying Kyiv with war."
Do you think Russia's behaviour justifies certain positions?
"With all due respect, the UK, France, Germany and Italy cannot allow their public opinion to be shaped by less representative countries. If you return to the role that you historically played and work on real peace negotiations, not just supplying Kyiv with weapons, but insisting on reaching an agreement, then maybe the war can really end."
Why do you think this is possible?
"The situation is changing, both in Russia and in the world. Pretending that this war still has a future is harmful to everyone. From Zelenskyy's last trip to London, I understand that other, more conciliatory positions have emerged. Despite the difficulties, something is moving."
Conversations with Putin?
I keep going to a lot of initiatives where European diplomats say that this war cannot be solved without talking to us, and that we have to start talking again. But then I see some of their leaders saying the opposite."
What timeframe does he envisage?
"Moscow and Washington, despite their differences, are inclined to bring the conflict to the negotiating table in the coming months. It is not false starts and hiccups that matter, but this readiness."
What criticism does he direct at Europe?
"In the beginning, I thought that the EU could make efforts to compromise because it has always done so, while the US has historically taken a more rigid position. For a long time, the EU has been a model of pluralism, but there was a long phase of single-mindedness in this conflict. Now, albeit slowly but increasingly, I think there is a rethinking going on."
How can you be trusted? You and the institute you head are accused of writing dispatches in favour of the Kremlin.
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Italy was stupid enough to interview Goebbels - the grandson of a thug, the grandson of a former Soviet foreign minister
First I will quote the interview in full, and then I will explain what the Italian edition "forgot" to write about
"Alexei Gromyko, grandson of the longest-serving foreign minister of the USSR: "When the war is over, normalisation of relations will come
"The belligerent narrative that is being created about Russia is false: the majority of the country's population would welcome a successful outcome of these negotiations."
Alexei Gromyko is the head of the European Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences. He prepares reports and dossiers on EU countries, which are then sent to the respective embassies and sometimes even to the Kremlin. The devoted grandson of the longest-serving foreign minister in his country's history, he is a scholar who, like his family, believes in the meaning of diplomacy. At the beginning of the war, he was removed from the Security Council's Scientific Committee because he and other colleagues signed an appeal against the "special military operation"
"Today, our relations are, as we say, at the bottom. But I am absolutely sure that after the war is over, within a few years, we will be able to normalise them. Of course, they will not be the same as before. We will no longer be "strategic partners", as stated in many joint documents that I participated in drafting. But many entrepreneurs, including Italian ones, are eager to start working again. Things are not as bad as they seem."
Do you think the guns will soon fall silent?
"I do not lose hope that this attempt at dialogue, which at first glance seems so fragile, can still end well. After a phase of megaphone diplomacy, which we knew would yield little, there usually comes a time of negotiations that are conducted in silence and with subtle movements. In short, real talks."
Why does the Russian government show such a strong disdain for Europe?
"I think it's a reaction. I don't understand how you could take such a tough stance for so long. It's as if your EU institutions delegated the management of the Ukrainian dossier to countries that hate us, and instead to others who profit from supplying Kyiv with war."
Do you think Russia's behaviour justifies certain positions?
"With all due respect, the UK, France, Germany and Italy cannot allow their public opinion to be shaped by less representative countries. If you return to the role that you historically played and work on real peace negotiations, not just supplying Kyiv with weapons, but insisting on reaching an agreement, then maybe the war can really end."
Why do you think this is possible?
"The situation is changing, both in Russia and in the world. Pretending that this war still has a future is harmful to everyone. From Zelenskyy's last trip to London, I understand that other, more conciliatory positions have emerged. Despite the difficulties, something is moving."
Conversations with Putin?
I keep going to a lot of initiatives where European diplomats say that this war cannot be solved without talking to us, and that we have to start talking again. But then I see some of their leaders saying the opposite."
What timeframe does he envisage?
"Moscow and Washington, despite their differences, are inclined to bring the conflict to the negotiating table in the coming months. It is not false starts and hiccups that matter, but this readiness."
What criticism does he direct at Europe?
"In the beginning, I thought that the EU could make efforts to compromise because it has always done so, while the US has historically taken a more rigid position. For a long time, the EU has been a model of pluralism, but there was a long phase of single-mindedness in this conflict. Now, albeit slowly but increasingly, I think there is a rethinking going on."
How can you be trusted? You and the institute you head are accused of writing dispatches in favour of the Kremlin.
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"It is my job to express judgements and formulate analyses on the political situation in European countries. I don't see anything strange in this, this is what every foreign institute in any other country does. As a political scientist, I have been fighting to maintain relations with my American and European colleagues since 2014. I am sorry that a kind of Russian witch hunt is taking place in some countries. But I remain convinced of the absolute necessity of improving our relations, because future European security cannot exist without Russia, and vice versa."
Below are the quotes from Gromyko himself
"For Russia, what is happening in Ukraine is not Korea or Vietnam for the United States, although some of the experience of ending these conflicts may be useful. This is not some territory on the 'world periphery'. Let us recall how the United States was ready to bring the world to the brink of World War III because of the deployment of Soviet missiles in Cuba in 1962. Cuba is their "underbelly". And the fundamental interests of Russia do not allow even theoretically to admit Ukraine as a member of a military organisation for which Russia is an enemy"
"- So, the conflict in Ukraine is not a civil war, as some claim? Is it something more global?
- Of course, there is an element of civil war in it. But it is still one of several. The main thing today is the conflict between Russia and the collective West. And its roots are long-standing.
- What do you mean by that?
- To explain, we can repeatedly expand the timeframe of this conflict. For example, it began in 2014, not in 2022, but at least in 2014, when the coup d'état in Kyiv, which was strongly supported by the West, and then two military campaigns by the new government against Donbas. Russia sought to play the role of an honest broker of both the first and second Minsk agreements. Not only did Kyiv sabotage these agreements, but the European participants in the Normandy format - Germany and France - did not really try to enforce them.
But 2014 was not a tabula rasa ["clean slate" in Latin]. Before that, there was 2004, the Orange Revolution, when Viktor Yushchenko came to power. The West, of course, supported everything anti-Russian. What preceded all this? The dissolution of the USSR in 1991. The balance of power in Europe and the world shifted. The United States did not apply any philosophy of historical reconciliation towards Russia, perceived what happened as a victory in the Cold War, and began to behave arrogantly and haughtily."
As for the sanctions that the United States and the European Union have been imposing against our country since 2014 after the "reunification" of Crimea with Russia, there is nothing new or original in this policy towards us. We remember very well that before that there was the so-called Magnitsky List and many other things. In general, a lot of these sanctions have been invented and introduced until 2022."
"I will not speculate on the measures that our country will take to counter these and possible future threats. This is the prerogative of the military and the top political leadership of our country. We know that in February last year, tasks were set to secure the territory of Donbass, denazify and demilitarise Ukraine. After two more "entities" in the form of Zaporizhzhia and Kherson regions "appeared" in addition to the Donetsk and Luhansk people's "republics" that became part of the Russian Federation, the tasks were expanded. Now it is clear that, from the point of view of the legislation of our country, we must fully take control of our "new territories", make sure that life there can be improved and people can live in safety and peace."
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Below are the quotes from Gromyko himself
"For Russia, what is happening in Ukraine is not Korea or Vietnam for the United States, although some of the experience of ending these conflicts may be useful. This is not some territory on the 'world periphery'. Let us recall how the United States was ready to bring the world to the brink of World War III because of the deployment of Soviet missiles in Cuba in 1962. Cuba is their "underbelly". And the fundamental interests of Russia do not allow even theoretically to admit Ukraine as a member of a military organisation for which Russia is an enemy"
"- So, the conflict in Ukraine is not a civil war, as some claim? Is it something more global?
- Of course, there is an element of civil war in it. But it is still one of several. The main thing today is the conflict between Russia and the collective West. And its roots are long-standing.
- What do you mean by that?
- To explain, we can repeatedly expand the timeframe of this conflict. For example, it began in 2014, not in 2022, but at least in 2014, when the coup d'état in Kyiv, which was strongly supported by the West, and then two military campaigns by the new government against Donbas. Russia sought to play the role of an honest broker of both the first and second Minsk agreements. Not only did Kyiv sabotage these agreements, but the European participants in the Normandy format - Germany and France - did not really try to enforce them.
But 2014 was not a tabula rasa ["clean slate" in Latin]. Before that, there was 2004, the Orange Revolution, when Viktor Yushchenko came to power. The West, of course, supported everything anti-Russian. What preceded all this? The dissolution of the USSR in 1991. The balance of power in Europe and the world shifted. The United States did not apply any philosophy of historical reconciliation towards Russia, perceived what happened as a victory in the Cold War, and began to behave arrogantly and haughtily."
As for the sanctions that the United States and the European Union have been imposing against our country since 2014 after the "reunification" of Crimea with Russia, there is nothing new or original in this policy towards us. We remember very well that before that there was the so-called Magnitsky List and many other things. In general, a lot of these sanctions have been invented and introduced until 2022."
"I will not speculate on the measures that our country will take to counter these and possible future threats. This is the prerogative of the military and the top political leadership of our country. We know that in February last year, tasks were set to secure the territory of Donbass, denazify and demilitarise Ukraine. After two more "entities" in the form of Zaporizhzhia and Kherson regions "appeared" in addition to the Donetsk and Luhansk people's "republics" that became part of the Russian Federation, the tasks were expanded. Now it is clear that, from the point of view of the legislation of our country, we must fully take control of our "new territories", make sure that life there can be improved and people can live in safety and peace."
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"It is not Russia's fault that we are now in a sharp confrontation, that Nord Stream has been destroyed and that a wave of confrontational tension is growing, accompanied in a number of European countries by Russophobic hysteria with the cancellation and ban of everything Russian. A proxy war is actually being waged against Russia on the territory of Ukraine. This issue has been raised at dozens, maybe even hundreds of platforms, events, discussions over the past few years, especially in the past few months, and much has been written about it."
"In general, the EU has set a course for a strategic confrontation with Russia, including trying to defeat Russia on the battlefield. It is already clear that this is an absolutely dead-end idea, but nevertheless, Western Europe, the European West, is following this path, which I would call a course of political masochism," said Alexei Gromyko.
"there will be no Russian world if there is no strong, comfortable Russia, if there is no multinational Russian people who speak good Russian"
all Russia's accusations of violating the Budapest Memorandum have no legal basis
Epilogue or what this tent is for.
Gromyko plays the role of the "intelligent face of Russia" for the Western public. He does not shout about "Nazis in Kyiv" like Skabeyeva, nor does he directly justify the war.
But he promotes the narrative: "everyone is guilty", "we need to negotiate", "Russia has its own truth". The goal is to reduce "anti-Russian" perceptions in Europe, especially in Italy, France, and Germany, where sentiment towards the war is fluctuating
"The war has no prospects. We need to negotiate. Moscow and Washington are the main players. Europe should stay out of the way" is a typical template of Kremlin "diplomacy":
The West must put pressure on Ukraine,
Ukraine is only an "object of negotiations",
"Peace" is not the restoration of justice, but the fixing of a status quo that is favourable to Moscow.
Gromyko's grandson is also preparing a "post-war" scenario
"In a few years, relations will be restored, business will want to return" = and before that, you will lift sanctions. The Kremlin has been broadcasting the thesis that "European security is impossible without Russia" for decades. Gromyko's task is to tie this idea to the post-war order, where Russia is not a country with a Nazi past, but a "partner with a complicated past."The Russian imperialist simply does not recognise Ukraine as an independent state:
His rhetoric is pure, standard Russian propaganda: The West is waging a "proxy war", Ukraine is a tool in someone else's hands, and Russia is "reflective", not aggressive. This is done in order to turn the roles around so that black becomes white: aggressor is victim, victim = problem (it's our fault, yeah, Russia is not the aggressor, but a slightly irritating but deeply offended neighbour.
Moral. The Italian "journalists" realised that 20 bucks is 20 bucks.
They might as well have interviewed a fucking nightingale
Fucking whores.
The end
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"In general, the EU has set a course for a strategic confrontation with Russia, including trying to defeat Russia on the battlefield. It is already clear that this is an absolutely dead-end idea, but nevertheless, Western Europe, the European West, is following this path, which I would call a course of political masochism," said Alexei Gromyko.
"there will be no Russian world if there is no strong, comfortable Russia, if there is no multinational Russian people who speak good Russian"
all Russia's accusations of violating the Budapest Memorandum have no legal basis
Epilogue or what this tent is for.
Gromyko plays the role of the "intelligent face of Russia" for the Western public. He does not shout about "Nazis in Kyiv" like Skabeyeva, nor does he directly justify the war.
But he promotes the narrative: "everyone is guilty", "we need to negotiate", "Russia has its own truth". The goal is to reduce "anti-Russian" perceptions in Europe, especially in Italy, France, and Germany, where sentiment towards the war is fluctuating
"The war has no prospects. We need to negotiate. Moscow and Washington are the main players. Europe should stay out of the way" is a typical template of Kremlin "diplomacy":
The West must put pressure on Ukraine,
Ukraine is only an "object of negotiations",
"Peace" is not the restoration of justice, but the fixing of a status quo that is favourable to Moscow.
Gromyko's grandson is also preparing a "post-war" scenario
"In a few years, relations will be restored, business will want to return" = and before that, you will lift sanctions. The Kremlin has been broadcasting the thesis that "European security is impossible without Russia" for decades. Gromyko's task is to tie this idea to the post-war order, where Russia is not a country with a Nazi past, but a "partner with a complicated past."The Russian imperialist simply does not recognise Ukraine as an independent state:
His rhetoric is pure, standard Russian propaganda: The West is waging a "proxy war", Ukraine is a tool in someone else's hands, and Russia is "reflective", not aggressive. This is done in order to turn the roles around so that black becomes white: aggressor is victim, victim = problem (it's our fault, yeah, Russia is not the aggressor, but a slightly irritating but deeply offended neighbour.
Moral. The Italian "journalists" realised that 20 bucks is 20 bucks.
They might as well have interviewed a fucking nightingale
Fucking whores.
The end
P.s - if you want to help Ukraine's counter-propaganda - 4441111068433840
PayPal- fashdonetsk2022@gmail.com
Patreon
https://www.patreon.com/fashdonetsk
Btc -
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Дипломатія чи пропаганда? Інтервʼю, якого Італія не мала друкувати
В Італії тупо йобнулись і взяли інтервʼю в геббельса - в онука громико, онука колишнього міністра закордонних справ ссср
Спочатку я процитую інтерв’ю повністю, а потім поясню про шо «забули» написати в італійському виданні
«Олексій Громико, онук найдовше працюючого міністра закордонних справ СРСР: "Коли закінчиться війна, настане нормалізація відносин
"Войовничий наратив, який створюється про росію, є хибним: більшість населення країни з радістю привітала б успішний результат цих переговорів".
Олексій Громико очолює Європейський інститут Академії наук росії. Він готує доповіді та досьє по країнах ЄС, які потім потрапляють до відповідних посольств, а іноді навіть до кремля. Відданий онук міністра закордонних справ, який найдовше працював на посаді в історії своєї країни, він є науковцем, який, як і його родина, вірить у сенс дипломатії. На початку війни його вивели зі складу Наукового комітету Ради Безпеки через те, що він разом з іншими колегами підписав звернення проти «спеціальної військової операції»
"Сьогодні наші відносини, як ми кажемо, на дні. Але я абсолютно впевнений, що після закінчення війни, протягом кількох років ми зможемо їх нормалізувати. Звичайно, вони не будуть такими, як раніше. Ми вже не будемо "стратегічними партнерами", як це зазначено в багатьох спільних документах, у розробці яких я брав участь. Але багато підприємців, у тому числі італійських, прагнуть знову почати працювати. Все не так погано, як здається".
Чи вважаєте ви, що гармати скоро замовкнуть?
"Я не втрачаю надії, що ця спроба діалогу, на перший погляд, така крихка, все ж може закінчитися добре. Після фази мегафонної дипломатії, яка, як ми знали, мало що дасть, зазвичай настає час переговорів, які ведуться в тиші і з непомітними рухами. Коротше кажучи, справжніх".
Чому російська влада демонструє таку сильну зневагу до Європи?
"Я думаю, що це реакція. Я сам не розумію, як ви могли так довго займати такі жорсткі позиції. Це якби ваші інституції ЄС делегували управління українським досьє країнам, які відчувають ненависть до нас, а замість них - іншим, які наживаються на постачанні війни Києву".
Чи не вважаєте ви, що поведінка росії виправдовує певні позиції?
"З усією повагою, Великобританія, Франція, Німеччина та Італія не можуть дозволити, щоб їхня громадська думка формувалася під впливом менш репрезентативних країн. Якщо ви повернетеся до ролі, яка вам історично належить, і будете працювати над реальними мирними переговорами, не просто постачаючи Києву зброю, а наполягаючи на досягненні угоди, можливо, тоді війна дійсно може закінчитися".
Чому ви вважаєте, що це можливо?
"Ситуація змінюється - і в росії, і в світі. Вдавати, що ця війна все ще має перспективу, шкідливо для всіх. З останньої поїздки Зеленського до Лондона я розумію, що з'явилися інші, більш примирливі позиції. Незважаючи на труднощі, щось рухається".
Розмови з путіним?
Я продовжую відвідувати багато ініціатив, де європейські дипломати кажуть, що цю війну не можна вирішити, не розмовляючи з нами, і що ми повинні знову почати розмовляти. Але потім я бачу, як деякі з їхніх лідерів говорять протилежне".
Які часові рамки він передбачає?
"москва і Вашингтон, незважаючи на свої розбіжності, схиляються до того, щоб перенести конфлікт за стіл переговорів у найближчі місяці. Важливі не фальстарти і заминки, а саме ця готовність".
Яку критику він спрямовує на адресу Європи?
"На початку я думав, що ЄС може докласти зусиль для компромісу, тому що так було завжди, тоді як США історично займали більш жорсткі позиції. Довгий час ЄС був зразком плюралізму, але натомість у цьому конфлікті була довга фаза однодумності. Зараз, хоч і повільно, але дедалі сильніше, мені здається, що відбувається переосмислення".
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В Італії тупо йобнулись і взяли інтервʼю в геббельса - в онука громико, онука колишнього міністра закордонних справ ссср
Спочатку я процитую інтерв’ю повністю, а потім поясню про шо «забули» написати в італійському виданні
«Олексій Громико, онук найдовше працюючого міністра закордонних справ СРСР: "Коли закінчиться війна, настане нормалізація відносин
"Войовничий наратив, який створюється про росію, є хибним: більшість населення країни з радістю привітала б успішний результат цих переговорів".
Олексій Громико очолює Європейський інститут Академії наук росії. Він готує доповіді та досьє по країнах ЄС, які потім потрапляють до відповідних посольств, а іноді навіть до кремля. Відданий онук міністра закордонних справ, який найдовше працював на посаді в історії своєї країни, він є науковцем, який, як і його родина, вірить у сенс дипломатії. На початку війни його вивели зі складу Наукового комітету Ради Безпеки через те, що він разом з іншими колегами підписав звернення проти «спеціальної військової операції»
"Сьогодні наші відносини, як ми кажемо, на дні. Але я абсолютно впевнений, що після закінчення війни, протягом кількох років ми зможемо їх нормалізувати. Звичайно, вони не будуть такими, як раніше. Ми вже не будемо "стратегічними партнерами", як це зазначено в багатьох спільних документах, у розробці яких я брав участь. Але багато підприємців, у тому числі італійських, прагнуть знову почати працювати. Все не так погано, як здається".
Чи вважаєте ви, що гармати скоро замовкнуть?
"Я не втрачаю надії, що ця спроба діалогу, на перший погляд, така крихка, все ж може закінчитися добре. Після фази мегафонної дипломатії, яка, як ми знали, мало що дасть, зазвичай настає час переговорів, які ведуться в тиші і з непомітними рухами. Коротше кажучи, справжніх".
Чому російська влада демонструє таку сильну зневагу до Європи?
"Я думаю, що це реакція. Я сам не розумію, як ви могли так довго займати такі жорсткі позиції. Це якби ваші інституції ЄС делегували управління українським досьє країнам, які відчувають ненависть до нас, а замість них - іншим, які наживаються на постачанні війни Києву".
Чи не вважаєте ви, що поведінка росії виправдовує певні позиції?
"З усією повагою, Великобританія, Франція, Німеччина та Італія не можуть дозволити, щоб їхня громадська думка формувалася під впливом менш репрезентативних країн. Якщо ви повернетеся до ролі, яка вам історично належить, і будете працювати над реальними мирними переговорами, не просто постачаючи Києву зброю, а наполягаючи на досягненні угоди, можливо, тоді війна дійсно може закінчитися".
Чому ви вважаєте, що це можливо?
"Ситуація змінюється - і в росії, і в світі. Вдавати, що ця війна все ще має перспективу, шкідливо для всіх. З останньої поїздки Зеленського до Лондона я розумію, що з'явилися інші, більш примирливі позиції. Незважаючи на труднощі, щось рухається".
Розмови з путіним?
Я продовжую відвідувати багато ініціатив, де європейські дипломати кажуть, що цю війну не можна вирішити, не розмовляючи з нами, і що ми повинні знову почати розмовляти. Але потім я бачу, як деякі з їхніх лідерів говорять протилежне".
Які часові рамки він передбачає?
"москва і Вашингтон, незважаючи на свої розбіжності, схиляються до того, щоб перенести конфлікт за стіл переговорів у найближчі місяці. Важливі не фальстарти і заминки, а саме ця готовність".
Яку критику він спрямовує на адресу Європи?
"На початку я думав, що ЄС може докласти зусиль для компромісу, тому що так було завжди, тоді як США історично займали більш жорсткі позиції. Довгий час ЄС був зразком плюралізму, але натомість у цьому конфлікті була довга фаза однодумності. Зараз, хоч і повільно, але дедалі сильніше, мені здається, що відбувається переосмислення".
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