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Diplomacy or propaganda? An interview that Italy should not have published

Italy was stupid enough to interview Goebbels - the grandson of a thug, the grandson of a former Soviet foreign minister

First I will quote the interview in full, and then I will explain what the Italian edition "forgot" to write about

"Alexei Gromyko, grandson of the longest-serving foreign minister of the USSR: "When the war is over, normalisation of relations will come

"The belligerent narrative that is being created about Russia is false: the majority of the country's population would welcome a successful outcome of these negotiations."

Alexei Gromyko is the head of the European Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences. He prepares reports and dossiers on EU countries, which are then sent to the respective embassies and sometimes even to the Kremlin. The devoted grandson of the longest-serving foreign minister in his country's history, he is a scholar who, like his family, believes in the meaning of diplomacy. At the beginning of the war, he was removed from the Security Council's Scientific Committee because he and other colleagues signed an appeal against the "special military operation"

"Today, our relations are, as we say, at the bottom. But I am absolutely sure that after the war is over, within a few years, we will be able to normalise them. Of course, they will not be the same as before. We will no longer be "strategic partners", as stated in many joint documents that I participated in drafting. But many entrepreneurs, including Italian ones, are eager to start working again. Things are not as bad as they seem."

Do you think the guns will soon fall silent?

"I do not lose hope that this attempt at dialogue, which at first glance seems so fragile, can still end well. After a phase of megaphone diplomacy, which we knew would yield little, there usually comes a time of negotiations that are conducted in silence and with subtle movements. In short, real talks."

Why does the Russian government show such a strong disdain for Europe?

"I think it's a reaction. I don't understand how you could take such a tough stance for so long. It's as if your EU institutions delegated the management of the Ukrainian dossier to countries that hate us, and instead to others who profit from supplying Kyiv with war."

Do you think Russia's behaviour justifies certain positions?

"With all due respect, the UK, France, Germany and Italy cannot allow their public opinion to be shaped by less representative countries. If you return to the role that you historically played and work on real peace negotiations, not just supplying Kyiv with weapons, but insisting on reaching an agreement, then maybe the war can really end."

Why do you think this is possible?

"The situation is changing, both in Russia and in the world. Pretending that this war still has a future is harmful to everyone. From Zelenskyy's last trip to London, I understand that other, more conciliatory positions have emerged. Despite the difficulties, something is moving."

Conversations with Putin?

I keep going to a lot of initiatives where European diplomats say that this war cannot be solved without talking to us, and that we have to start talking again. But then I see some of their leaders saying the opposite."

What timeframe does he envisage?

"Moscow and Washington, despite their differences, are inclined to bring the conflict to the negotiating table in the coming months. It is not false starts and hiccups that matter, but this readiness."

What criticism does he direct at Europe?

"In the beginning, I thought that the EU could make efforts to compromise because it has always done so, while the US has historically taken a more rigid position. For a long time, the EU has been a model of pluralism, but there was a long phase of single-mindedness in this conflict. Now, albeit slowly but increasingly, I think there is a rethinking going on."

How can you be trusted? You and the institute you head are accused of writing dispatches in favour of the Kremlin.
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"It is my job to express judgements and formulate analyses on the political situation in European countries. I don't see anything strange in this, this is what every foreign institute in any other country does. As a political scientist, I have been fighting to maintain relations with my American and European colleagues since 2014. I am sorry that a kind of Russian witch hunt is taking place in some countries. But I remain convinced of the absolute necessity of improving our relations, because future European security cannot exist without Russia, and vice versa."

Below are the quotes from Gromyko himself

"For Russia, what is happening in Ukraine is not Korea or Vietnam for the United States, although some of the experience of ending these conflicts may be useful. This is not some territory on the 'world periphery'. Let us recall how the United States was ready to bring the world to the brink of World War III because of the deployment of Soviet missiles in Cuba in 1962. Cuba is their "underbelly". And the fundamental interests of Russia do not allow even theoretically to admit Ukraine as a member of a military organisation for which Russia is an enemy"

"- So, the conflict in Ukraine is not a civil war, as some claim? Is it something more global?

- Of course, there is an element of civil war in it. But it is still one of several. The main thing today is the conflict between Russia and the collective West. And its roots are long-standing.

- What do you mean by that?

- To explain, we can repeatedly expand the timeframe of this conflict. For example, it began in 2014, not in 2022, but at least in 2014, when the coup d'état in Kyiv, which was strongly supported by the West, and then two military campaigns by the new government against Donbas. Russia sought to play the role of an honest broker of both the first and second Minsk agreements. Not only did Kyiv sabotage these agreements, but the European participants in the Normandy format - Germany and France - did not really try to enforce them.
But 2014 was not a tabula rasa ["clean slate" in Latin]. Before that, there was 2004, the Orange Revolution, when Viktor Yushchenko came to power. The West, of course, supported everything anti-Russian. What preceded all this? The dissolution of the USSR in 1991. The balance of power in Europe and the world shifted. The United States did not apply any philosophy of historical reconciliation towards Russia, perceived what happened as a victory in the Cold War, and began to behave arrogantly and haughtily."

As for the sanctions that the United States and the European Union have been imposing against our country since 2014 after the "reunification" of Crimea with Russia, there is nothing new or original in this policy towards us. We remember very well that before that there was the so-called Magnitsky List and many other things. In general, a lot of these sanctions have been invented and introduced until 2022."

"I will not speculate on the measures that our country will take to counter these and possible future threats. This is the prerogative of the military and the top political leadership of our country. We know that in February last year, tasks were set to secure the territory of Donbass, denazify and demilitarise Ukraine. After two more "entities" in the form of Zaporizhzhia and Kherson regions "appeared" in addition to the Donetsk and Luhansk people's "republics" that became part of the Russian Federation, the tasks were expanded. Now it is clear that, from the point of view of the legislation of our country, we must fully take control of our "new territories", make sure that life there can be improved and people can live in safety and peace."
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