Did anyone like Joffrey? Did you feel bad when the whole Purple Wedding scene happened?
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Which single episode do you think delivers a combination of the most insane moments and major plot twists?
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We never got to see him fight but how good of a fighter was he?
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Fun fact: Beric and Orell are rare instances of characters living *longer* in the show than in the books
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Hot Take: Joffery death wasn't satisfying!
He should've gone through hell before dying, he deserved alot worse than just dying suddenly
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He should've gone through hell before dying, he deserved alot worse than just dying suddenly
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[NO SPOILERS] “Sandor” by artist Greg Ruth. Graphite on paper.
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I don’t know if it is my inner fanaticism about LOTR that speaks, but did anybody notice the music of Podrick’s song being similar to Pippin’s song ‘Home is behind, the world ahead’?
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If Khal Drogo didn't die, and his army of Dothraki crossed the narrow sea at the end of S1, and allied with Dorne who hated the Lannister's, and let them land in Dorne, could they have successfully conquered Westeros?
Let's say Drogo never dies, Dorne defects to Daenerys Targaryen and helps them land safely. Dorne's help combined with the Royal Fleet being preoccupied with Stannis's fleet, allows the Dothraki to safely land in Dorne.
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Let's say Drogo never dies, Dorne defects to Daenerys Targaryen and helps them land safely. Dorne's help combined with the Royal Fleet being preoccupied with Stannis's fleet, allows the Dothraki to safely land in Dorne.
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Which event would have disgusted Ned Stark the most? (No red wedding)
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god I wish joffery was here to get rid of this insufferable old git
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Who do you think was the one promised in the Azor Ahai Prophecy ?
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My honest (and probably unpopular) opinion on Daenerys that will probably get me downvoted:
People love to glamorise, romanticise and angelize their favs, and Dany is the epitome of that as people refuse to see any flaws in her, her stratifies or actions.
“Daenerys went through a lot”: yes. Virtually every character did. Almost all women were raped, abused and mistreated. Even the powerful and cruel like Cersei. Among the common people, girls were sold into prostitution when they were children (we see several examples of this), raped or sold into slavery or service (like all of her own servants, literally, who she never freed or to whom it offer alternatives, aside Missandei as she spoke several languages and was therefore valuable - same reason why the slave owner who “had her” previously kept her by his side, or she “bought her” from him. Westeros and Essos and the time in which the events take place are cruel, ruthless and rough. People starve, die for stealing/being in the wrong place/being bastards/being cripples/in war/in childbirth. She had a horrible brother, who sold her to a Dothraki lord to be abused - even though she ended up loving him and him her, she grew up in exile in Pentos fleeing from assassins - at 13 she was living lavishly with Illyrio and was sold to Kal Drogo. From then on she was a Khaleesy, with slaves, an army at her back, knights by her side, and - not long after - she started conquering cities. She has been powerful and idolised since she was 13 - yes, that came with threats to her safety, and that of her followers and Dragons, with man trying to take advantage and perils. Anyone who plays the “game of thrones”, is a lord/queen/khal/khaleesy are immediately a target in this world. She is no different. She is, as most powerful people conquering other or exerting power over other - in constant danger, as they are (simultaneously) a threat to many.
She did go through a lot. So did Arya, and Sansa, and Jon, and Tommen, and Olenna, and the Hound, and Tyrion, and Varys, and Theon and everyone really who was beaten, sold, abused, saw their family die in front of them, was mistreated, injured, betrayed, hurt… all of them did. The common folk even more: those who were slaves all their lives, who were poor all their life and starving and constantly suffering (be it in Pentos, Essos, Westeros/Kings Landing…) that doesn’t make her special or excuse any behaviour.
It doesn’t when the actions are perpetuated by Cersei, or by Stannis or whoever, and it doesn’t when it’s her. Other people, who went through the same managed not to become a tyrant/demand blind loyalty/think of themselves as the saviour of all… not burn entire cities and families (several times over).
“She wanted a better world” she doesn’t even know Westeros, the problem of its people, their people and bonds, their rules or customs. She doesn’t know their lords, their fights or their challenges, however bad or good they have it or are.
As soon as season 2 she says things like “ “I’m no ordinary woman, my dreams come true” and “with fire and blood I will take it” when she’s demanding ships in Qarth from the spice king for instance (offering nothing in return but promises that she will eventually, when she has retaken the throne, pay him double) they were merchants, who made their fortune through trade, not nepotism, but she had “the right” to come to their city (this was all before they stole from her - bear that in mind, at this point all they did was save her from the dessert, offer her accommodation and food) and demand they give her their ships, which they used for their livelyhood, so that she could take the iron throne of another country, one they couldn’t care less.
She equates her worldview and her wants as the wants and needs and interest of the people. Wherever she is, whoever they are. And they either follow her and give her what she wants, or they’re wrong and bad.
People tend to disregard many of her behaviours believing that she was doing God’s work. She was freeing slaves (was she? Or was she recruiting
My honest (and probably unpopular) opinion on Daenerys that will probably get me downvoted:
People love to glamorise, romanticise and angelize their favs, and Dany is the epitome of that as people refuse to see any flaws in her, her stratifies or actions.
“Daenerys went through a lot”: yes. Virtually every character did. Almost all women were raped, abused and mistreated. Even the powerful and cruel like Cersei. Among the common people, girls were sold into prostitution when they were children (we see several examples of this), raped or sold into slavery or service (like all of her own servants, literally, who she never freed or to whom it offer alternatives, aside Missandei as she spoke several languages and was therefore valuable - same reason why the slave owner who “had her” previously kept her by his side, or she “bought her” from him. Westeros and Essos and the time in which the events take place are cruel, ruthless and rough. People starve, die for stealing/being in the wrong place/being bastards/being cripples/in war/in childbirth. She had a horrible brother, who sold her to a Dothraki lord to be abused - even though she ended up loving him and him her, she grew up in exile in Pentos fleeing from assassins - at 13 she was living lavishly with Illyrio and was sold to Kal Drogo. From then on she was a Khaleesy, with slaves, an army at her back, knights by her side, and - not long after - she started conquering cities. She has been powerful and idolised since she was 13 - yes, that came with threats to her safety, and that of her followers and Dragons, with man trying to take advantage and perils. Anyone who plays the “game of thrones”, is a lord/queen/khal/khaleesy are immediately a target in this world. She is no different. She is, as most powerful people conquering other or exerting power over other - in constant danger, as they are (simultaneously) a threat to many.
She did go through a lot. So did Arya, and Sansa, and Jon, and Tommen, and Olenna, and the Hound, and Tyrion, and Varys, and Theon and everyone really who was beaten, sold, abused, saw their family die in front of them, was mistreated, injured, betrayed, hurt… all of them did. The common folk even more: those who were slaves all their lives, who were poor all their life and starving and constantly suffering (be it in Pentos, Essos, Westeros/Kings Landing…) that doesn’t make her special or excuse any behaviour.
It doesn’t when the actions are perpetuated by Cersei, or by Stannis or whoever, and it doesn’t when it’s her. Other people, who went through the same managed not to become a tyrant/demand blind loyalty/think of themselves as the saviour of all… not burn entire cities and families (several times over).
“She wanted a better world” she doesn’t even know Westeros, the problem of its people, their people and bonds, their rules or customs. She doesn’t know their lords, their fights or their challenges, however bad or good they have it or are.
As soon as season 2 she says things like “ “I’m no ordinary woman, my dreams come true” and “with fire and blood I will take it” when she’s demanding ships in Qarth from the spice king for instance (offering nothing in return but promises that she will eventually, when she has retaken the throne, pay him double) they were merchants, who made their fortune through trade, not nepotism, but she had “the right” to come to their city (this was all before they stole from her - bear that in mind, at this point all they did was save her from the dessert, offer her accommodation and food) and demand they give her their ships, which they used for their livelyhood, so that she could take the iron throne of another country, one they couldn’t care less.
She equates her worldview and her wants as the wants and needs and interest of the people. Wherever she is, whoever they are. And they either follow her and give her what she wants, or they’re wrong and bad.
People tend to disregard many of her behaviours believing that she was doing God’s work. She was freeing slaves (was she? Or was she recruiting
them whenever they could fight and leaving the rest to fend for themselves, behind, with no one to rule, a destroyed city to rebuild and poorer than ever, more insecure than ever, as she was taking everyone who could fight with her). She had no problem with slaves before Astapor. She watched Dothraki buy, sell, use them, and she did too keep slaves, and buy slaves.
After Astapor where she “freed” the unsullied and the city (killing all those with power to oppose her, including “all men over 12 years old” meaning she murdered all children 12 to 18 in that city, who weren’t slaves - did those children really deserve to die? Some of those did not even own slaves) this wasn’t war, they were not taking arms against her, it wasn’t even to conquer the city… she left the minute after: on to “free” the next city.
The cities she “conquered and freed” she left, she didn’t rule, help rebuild, didn’t offer any solution for the future, nor did she leave them with nothing. She took it, took her army, and moved on.
To “liberate” slavers bay… where they had ships and wealth. But what she really wanted was to free the slaves (even though she ended up allowing slavery to come back, in the show only under 1 year contracts, in the book completely). There she actually ruled… until she got her ships of course. And then left to never come back or even worry about once she got to Westeros.
By Westeros ethical standards (there weren’t many but) she wasn’t doing anything the lords of Westeros weren’t. There’s no slavery in Westeros. Lets keep in mind: slavery is forbidden in Westeros - it’s the reason Jorah, her own advisor, was exiled and Ned wanted his head chopped - slavery wasn’t allowed in Westeros). So I get confused when people paint her as a hero in opposition with other lords of Westeros who never owned slaves (she did) because “they never freed them” well… they never bought them either, nor did they own them; they viewed Dothraki as savages because (among other things) they did… the same Dothraki that compose half her army.
So yes, we love someone fighting against slavery and with moral and ethical standards. But I’m not sure she’s a great example of that. I’d say that was only her cause until it serve her interests. Which in “game of thrones” ethics is standard, as most people do exactly that: what serves them. That’s how that world mostly operates (hence why Starks - at least Ned’s and Jon’s - loyalty and moral standards is seen as weakness and an anomaly).
She was a badass and an incredible character to follow and watch grow and operate, no doubt. She was beautiful, smart and ruthless but still capable of love (unlike Cersei). When people say she deserved it all and the throne and seven kingdoms though… I disagree. For several reasons.
She’s a moral grey person, much like almost everyone around her (excluding maybe people like Pod or Shireen who are just genuinely just good) but people love to pretend she isn’t and that she does nothing wrong, which would not be relevant, if she didn’t think the same. And that’s my main issue with Daenerys.
Unlike people like the Hound, Arya, Jon, Davos, Jaime.. (even Cersei who’s unapologetically bad) who recognise their flaws, mistakes and the moral ambiguity of some of the actions they’re made to do, and it’s consequences and shortcomings… Daenerys does nothing of the sort. She is the “one” and divine and magic and the real queen and her moral compass is her own, as should everyone else’s be. She’s incapable of recognising that or allow herself to see that there’s a world and relationships and understandings that are not her own but equally valid.
That’s how she justified burning children. And kings landing, and demanding the Norths immediate loyalty - the same North/country who lost their independence to a Targaryen conquerer who burned the whole country and beheaded their ancestors. The same North that, under her own father, saw their highest figure (the Starks, once their kings) beheaded as well (the mad king killed Ned’s father and eldest brother after inviting them to the
After Astapor where she “freed” the unsullied and the city (killing all those with power to oppose her, including “all men over 12 years old” meaning she murdered all children 12 to 18 in that city, who weren’t slaves - did those children really deserve to die? Some of those did not even own slaves) this wasn’t war, they were not taking arms against her, it wasn’t even to conquer the city… she left the minute after: on to “free” the next city.
The cities she “conquered and freed” she left, she didn’t rule, help rebuild, didn’t offer any solution for the future, nor did she leave them with nothing. She took it, took her army, and moved on.
To “liberate” slavers bay… where they had ships and wealth. But what she really wanted was to free the slaves (even though she ended up allowing slavery to come back, in the show only under 1 year contracts, in the book completely). There she actually ruled… until she got her ships of course. And then left to never come back or even worry about once she got to Westeros.
By Westeros ethical standards (there weren’t many but) she wasn’t doing anything the lords of Westeros weren’t. There’s no slavery in Westeros. Lets keep in mind: slavery is forbidden in Westeros - it’s the reason Jorah, her own advisor, was exiled and Ned wanted his head chopped - slavery wasn’t allowed in Westeros). So I get confused when people paint her as a hero in opposition with other lords of Westeros who never owned slaves (she did) because “they never freed them” well… they never bought them either, nor did they own them; they viewed Dothraki as savages because (among other things) they did… the same Dothraki that compose half her army.
So yes, we love someone fighting against slavery and with moral and ethical standards. But I’m not sure she’s a great example of that. I’d say that was only her cause until it serve her interests. Which in “game of thrones” ethics is standard, as most people do exactly that: what serves them. That’s how that world mostly operates (hence why Starks - at least Ned’s and Jon’s - loyalty and moral standards is seen as weakness and an anomaly).
She was a badass and an incredible character to follow and watch grow and operate, no doubt. She was beautiful, smart and ruthless but still capable of love (unlike Cersei). When people say she deserved it all and the throne and seven kingdoms though… I disagree. For several reasons.
She’s a moral grey person, much like almost everyone around her (excluding maybe people like Pod or Shireen who are just genuinely just good) but people love to pretend she isn’t and that she does nothing wrong, which would not be relevant, if she didn’t think the same. And that’s my main issue with Daenerys.
Unlike people like the Hound, Arya, Jon, Davos, Jaime.. (even Cersei who’s unapologetically bad) who recognise their flaws, mistakes and the moral ambiguity of some of the actions they’re made to do, and it’s consequences and shortcomings… Daenerys does nothing of the sort. She is the “one” and divine and magic and the real queen and her moral compass is her own, as should everyone else’s be. She’s incapable of recognising that or allow herself to see that there’s a world and relationships and understandings that are not her own but equally valid.
That’s how she justified burning children. And kings landing, and demanding the Norths immediate loyalty - the same North/country who lost their independence to a Targaryen conquerer who burned the whole country and beheaded their ancestors. The same North that, under her own father, saw their highest figure (the Starks, once their kings) beheaded as well (the mad king killed Ned’s father and eldest brother after inviting them to the