Theory - Jon, Sam and Alliser are loosely based, in part, on Ralph, Piggy and Jack from Golding's 'Lord of the Flies'.
1. Jon & Ralph - both charismatic, natural leaders, both make decisions based on reason and evidence, not emotions. Both listen and appreciate everyone's ideas, and make a choice based on what is in everyone's best interest. Both also protect individuals who are ostracized and bullied - Sam to Jon and Piggy to Ralph.
2. Sam & Piggy - both are bullied because both are fat, and physically weak. The reason for Piggy's nickname is self-explanatory, given by the boys from his school, while Alliser nicknames Sam "Lady Piggy"...with the other bullies following suit. Piggy and Sam are both intellectuals, and serve as a huge part of the backbone for everyone's survival. Piggy knew about trichinosis, which saved many of the boys from potentially dying from it, had the dead boars been infected. It was also his idea for the boys to create and maintain a large fire, to signal for help. Sam knew that three hornblasts meant the Whitewalkers were coming, something the other Nights Watchmen didn't know. He also read about the abundance of black obsidian Dragonstone has - there's no way they would have defeated the Night King not knowing that. He also pointed out that the two dead rangers' bodies hadn't rotted - and read that the Walker's mere touch raises the dead. Both also take on the roles of advisors to Ralph and Jon.
3. Alliser & Jack - Alliser eventually becomes First Ranger, one of the most prestigious positions of the NW. Jack names himself and his tribe hunters, which is prestigious in its own way as they didn't know what animals lived on the island. The hunters are brave and very athletic. Both Alliser and Jack are the leaders of the bullies, downright cruel to both Sam and Piggy. Alliser abhors Jon and eventually organizes a mutiny, like Jack grows to abhor Ralph, eventually ordering the other boys to hunt and kill him. Jack craves control, as he was the head choir boy and hated Ralph's style of leadership, like Alliser craves control as he disagrees with Jon's leadership, believing it's weakening the Night's Watch.
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1. Jon & Ralph - both charismatic, natural leaders, both make decisions based on reason and evidence, not emotions. Both listen and appreciate everyone's ideas, and make a choice based on what is in everyone's best interest. Both also protect individuals who are ostracized and bullied - Sam to Jon and Piggy to Ralph.
2. Sam & Piggy - both are bullied because both are fat, and physically weak. The reason for Piggy's nickname is self-explanatory, given by the boys from his school, while Alliser nicknames Sam "Lady Piggy"...with the other bullies following suit. Piggy and Sam are both intellectuals, and serve as a huge part of the backbone for everyone's survival. Piggy knew about trichinosis, which saved many of the boys from potentially dying from it, had the dead boars been infected. It was also his idea for the boys to create and maintain a large fire, to signal for help. Sam knew that three hornblasts meant the Whitewalkers were coming, something the other Nights Watchmen didn't know. He also read about the abundance of black obsidian Dragonstone has - there's no way they would have defeated the Night King not knowing that. He also pointed out that the two dead rangers' bodies hadn't rotted - and read that the Walker's mere touch raises the dead. Both also take on the roles of advisors to Ralph and Jon.
3. Alliser & Jack - Alliser eventually becomes First Ranger, one of the most prestigious positions of the NW. Jack names himself and his tribe hunters, which is prestigious in its own way as they didn't know what animals lived on the island. The hunters are brave and very athletic. Both Alliser and Jack are the leaders of the bullies, downright cruel to both Sam and Piggy. Alliser abhors Jon and eventually organizes a mutiny, like Jack grows to abhor Ralph, eventually ordering the other boys to hunt and kill him. Jack craves control, as he was the head choir boy and hated Ralph's style of leadership, like Alliser craves control as he disagrees with Jon's leadership, believing it's weakening the Night's Watch.
Just a bookworm's thoughts...what do y'all think?
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Late to the game: Just saw the 3.09 episode
Originally I couldn’t get past episode 2 of GoT and dropped it. Ignored the hype. Well… I’m here now. Just saw season 3 episode 9, the make-up marriage Rob didn’t follow through on. Yall… I WAS NOT ready. Like I need a minute. And that wasn’t even the finale episode?! Poor Ariya. You all will probably see me in here again later
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How exactly were the White Walkers supposed to pass the Wall without the dragon? Were Jon and everyone freaking out for nothing?
Before Viserion got turned into an undead nuke, the Wall was basically an impenetrable magic barrier against White Walkers and wights, right? They literally couldn't pass it for thousands of years. That’s the whole point of the Wall - physical AND magical protection.
So, like...
What the fuck was the Night King’s plan?
Just chill forever? Stare menacingly at the Wall?
Because based on what the show tells us, without the dragon, they had no way of crossing. Yet Jon, the Night's Watch, the Wildlings, everyone is in a complete panic about the army of the dead marching south.
March south how, exactly?
It feels like the only reason the Walkers got past was because Jon & Co. went north to grab a wight for Cersei, got ambushed, and handed the Night King a dragon like they were doing delivery.
If Dany hadn't flown north, the Night King would still be having snowball fights up there & maybe turning more wildlings too.
So was Jon's massive freak-out kinda pointless without that stupid chain of events?
Or were the writers just making it up as they went along?
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Before Viserion got turned into an undead nuke, the Wall was basically an impenetrable magic barrier against White Walkers and wights, right? They literally couldn't pass it for thousands of years. That’s the whole point of the Wall - physical AND magical protection.
So, like...
What the fuck was the Night King’s plan?
Just chill forever? Stare menacingly at the Wall?
Because based on what the show tells us, without the dragon, they had no way of crossing. Yet Jon, the Night's Watch, the Wildlings, everyone is in a complete panic about the army of the dead marching south.
March south how, exactly?
It feels like the only reason the Walkers got past was because Jon & Co. went north to grab a wight for Cersei, got ambushed, and handed the Night King a dragon like they were doing delivery.
If Dany hadn't flown north, the Night King would still be having snowball fights up there & maybe turning more wildlings too.
So was Jon's massive freak-out kinda pointless without that stupid chain of events?
Or were the writers just making it up as they went along?
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Thought first first one was the best aura moments until i saw the second
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"Your Grace" Catelyn and Renly
In Season 2 Catelyn arrives at Renlys Camp and addresses him as "Lord Renly". His supporters take offense at that, but Renly himself laughs if off.
However this doesn't really make sense, does it? Why couldn't Cat address Renly as "your Grace"? Obviously Renly does not recognize Robb as King, but instead claims Kingship over all seven kingdoms. But this doesn't necessarily go vice versa. Robb and by extension Cat are perfectly fine accepting Renly on the Iron Throne if that gets them peace and independence.
In the Book Catelyn even states this when she arrives at the Camp:
"I come as envoy from my son, Robb Stark, the King in the North, to treat with Renly Baratheon, the King in the South" (Catelyn II - A Clash of Kings).
The Starks don't recognise Renly as their King, but recognising him as a King in general should be no issue. So her refusal to use "your Grace" in Book and Show seems strange. Especially because she wants to negotiate an alliance.
Am I missing something?
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In Season 2 Catelyn arrives at Renlys Camp and addresses him as "Lord Renly". His supporters take offense at that, but Renly himself laughs if off.
However this doesn't really make sense, does it? Why couldn't Cat address Renly as "your Grace"? Obviously Renly does not recognize Robb as King, but instead claims Kingship over all seven kingdoms. But this doesn't necessarily go vice versa. Robb and by extension Cat are perfectly fine accepting Renly on the Iron Throne if that gets them peace and independence.
In the Book Catelyn even states this when she arrives at the Camp:
"I come as envoy from my son, Robb Stark, the King in the North, to treat with Renly Baratheon, the King in the South" (Catelyn II - A Clash of Kings).
The Starks don't recognise Renly as their King, but recognising him as a King in general should be no issue. So her refusal to use "your Grace" in Book and Show seems strange. Especially because she wants to negotiate an alliance.
Am I missing something?
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Which character do you think had the worst time during the events of GoT?
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Bella Ramsey and Kit Harington on the Psychic Toll of Stardom
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Bella Ramsey and Kit Harington on the Psychic Toll of Stardom
After a game-changing episode of "The Last of Us" put the spotlight on the 21-year-old actor, they reunited with their former "Game of Thrones" costar to talk about moving to London, quitting social media, and the invisible cost of fame.
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Cersei Lannister - Sinner (Game of Thrones)
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I missed Cersei Lannister. It wasn't until a few weeks after finishing the series last fall that I realized how essential…
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Show only question, was Arya the Prince(ss) that was promised, the Azor Azai?
Arya was the one who defeated the Night King so wasn't she the Prince(ss) that was promised and the Azor Azai? Why wasn't she named Queen at the end?
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Arya was the one who defeated the Night King so wasn't she the Prince(ss) that was promised and the Azor Azai? Why wasn't she named Queen at the end?
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