Sansa Stark’s Greatest Talent: Reminding Everyone She Saved the North (After Hiding the Army)
Seriously, it’s always bothered me that Sansa walks around constantly reminding everyone that she "saved the North" because she brought the Vale army , like, come on.
She literally HID the information about the Vale army from Jon while they were making battle plans. She didn't tell him, she didn't tell anyone, she just sat there, letting Jon lead wildlings and Northern forces into a massacre.
If Sansa had just told Jon that the Vale army was coming, the entire battle could have been planned differently:
They could have avoided charging straight into Ramsay's trap.
They could have waited for reinforcements.
They could have coordinated an actual two-front assault instead of relying on desperate charges and getting squashed.
Wun Wun probably wouldn't have had to sacrifice himself punching down the gates with his bare hands.
But no. Instead, she says nothing, watches Jon walk into a bloodbath, and then at the last second rides in with the Vale army like she's Gandalf at Helm’s Deep.
And guess what? SHE DOESN’T EVEN GET OFF HER DAMN HORSE DURING THE BATTLE.
She’s literally just a spectator at that point, while everyone else is dying around her.
To make it worse, Sansa never acknowledges that her secrecy probably cost hundreds of wildlings’ and Northerners’ lives. Nope. She just keeps acting like she’s the savior of Winterfell.
Also, compare her to other characters:
Dany never brings up every five minutes that she saved Jon and the others Beyond the Wall.
Arya doesn't brag about wiping out House Frey.
Brienne, one of the most loyal and capable characters, never goes around demanding everyone kiss her ass.
But Sansa? She can't let a conversation go by without bringing up that she saved the North.
(From a problem she helped cause.)
It’s like she needed Jon to fuck up so she could swoop in and look smarter. Honestly, if anyone else had pulled what she did , hiding critical intelligence before a battle, they would have been executed for treason or at least dereliction of duty.
The writing tried so hard to make her look like some political mastermind, but in reality? She got lucky as hell that Littlefinger still wanted to simp for her.
Anyway. Sansa didn’t save the North. The Vale army did , and they were coming anyway because Littlefinger had his own agenda. Sansa’s just been riding that wave ever since.
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Seriously, it’s always bothered me that Sansa walks around constantly reminding everyone that she "saved the North" because she brought the Vale army , like, come on.
She literally HID the information about the Vale army from Jon while they were making battle plans. She didn't tell him, she didn't tell anyone, she just sat there, letting Jon lead wildlings and Northern forces into a massacre.
If Sansa had just told Jon that the Vale army was coming, the entire battle could have been planned differently:
They could have avoided charging straight into Ramsay's trap.
They could have waited for reinforcements.
They could have coordinated an actual two-front assault instead of relying on desperate charges and getting squashed.
Wun Wun probably wouldn't have had to sacrifice himself punching down the gates with his bare hands.
But no. Instead, she says nothing, watches Jon walk into a bloodbath, and then at the last second rides in with the Vale army like she's Gandalf at Helm’s Deep.
And guess what? SHE DOESN’T EVEN GET OFF HER DAMN HORSE DURING THE BATTLE.
She’s literally just a spectator at that point, while everyone else is dying around her.
To make it worse, Sansa never acknowledges that her secrecy probably cost hundreds of wildlings’ and Northerners’ lives. Nope. She just keeps acting like she’s the savior of Winterfell.
Also, compare her to other characters:
Dany never brings up every five minutes that she saved Jon and the others Beyond the Wall.
Arya doesn't brag about wiping out House Frey.
Brienne, one of the most loyal and capable characters, never goes around demanding everyone kiss her ass.
But Sansa? She can't let a conversation go by without bringing up that she saved the North.
(From a problem she helped cause.)
It’s like she needed Jon to fuck up so she could swoop in and look smarter. Honestly, if anyone else had pulled what she did , hiding critical intelligence before a battle, they would have been executed for treason or at least dereliction of duty.
The writing tried so hard to make her look like some political mastermind, but in reality? She got lucky as hell that Littlefinger still wanted to simp for her.
Anyway. Sansa didn’t save the North. The Vale army did , and they were coming anyway because Littlefinger had his own agenda. Sansa’s just been riding that wave ever since.
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A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms
Was wondering what other people wanted from this show. Personally I love the three novellas and wish there were more stories of dunk and egg and at the end George hints at additional stories that haven’t been told yet. If the three novellas are adapted well would yall want those unexplored stories being told in show original content for a season 4+ or no, don’t run the risk of ruining a good thing.
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Was wondering what other people wanted from this show. Personally I love the three novellas and wish there were more stories of dunk and egg and at the end George hints at additional stories that haven’t been told yet. If the three novellas are adapted well would yall want those unexplored stories being told in show original content for a season 4+ or no, don’t run the risk of ruining a good thing.
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Thank You
I just came here to express my appreciation. Someone gave me these books when my father was dying. I was his primary caregiver and had a lot of spare time on my hands for reading. When he died I lost my home and my family. But I remember thinking GRRM had given them both back to me in some way. Since then we’ve been through a lot together, addiction and overdose, homelessness, and the deaths of many close friends and family members. But my books have always been there. I’m doing better now, and they still are.
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I just came here to express my appreciation. Someone gave me these books when my father was dying. I was his primary caregiver and had a lot of spare time on my hands for reading. When he died I lost my home and my family. But I remember thinking GRRM had given them both back to me in some way. Since then we’ve been through a lot together, addiction and overdose, homelessness, and the deaths of many close friends and family members. But my books have always been there. I’m doing better now, and they still are.
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Theory - Jon, Sam and Alliser are loosely based, in part, on Ralph, Piggy and Jack from Golding's 'Lord of the Flies'.
1. Jon & Ralph - both charismatic, natural leaders, both make decisions based on reason and evidence, not emotions. Both listen and appreciate everyone's ideas, and make a choice based on what is in everyone's best interest. Both also protect individuals who are ostracized and bullied - Sam to Jon and Piggy to Ralph.
2. Sam & Piggy - both are bullied because both are fat, and physically weak. The reason for Piggy's nickname is self-explanatory, given by the boys from his school, while Alliser nicknames Sam "Lady Piggy"...with the other bullies following suit. Piggy and Sam are both intellectuals, and serve as a huge part of the backbone for everyone's survival. Piggy knew about trichinosis, which saved many of the boys from potentially dying from it, had the dead boars been infected. It was also his idea for the boys to create and maintain a large fire, to signal for help. Sam knew that three hornblasts meant the Whitewalkers were coming, something the other Nights Watchmen didn't know. He also read about the abundance of black obsidian Dragonstone has - there's no way they would have defeated the Night King not knowing that. He also pointed out that the two dead rangers' bodies hadn't rotted - and read that the Walker's mere touch raises the dead. Both also take on the roles of advisors to Ralph and Jon.
3. Alliser & Jack - Alliser eventually becomes First Ranger, one of the most prestigious positions of the NW. Jack names himself and his tribe hunters, which is prestigious in its own way as they didn't know what animals lived on the island. The hunters are brave and very athletic. Both Alliser and Jack are the leaders of the bullies, downright cruel to both Sam and Piggy. Alliser abhors Jon and eventually organizes a mutiny, like Jack grows to abhor Ralph, eventually ordering the other boys to hunt and kill him. Jack craves control, as he was the head choir boy and hated Ralph's style of leadership, like Alliser craves control as he disagrees with Jon's leadership, believing it's weakening the Night's Watch.
Just a bookworm's thoughts...what do y'all think?
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1. Jon & Ralph - both charismatic, natural leaders, both make decisions based on reason and evidence, not emotions. Both listen and appreciate everyone's ideas, and make a choice based on what is in everyone's best interest. Both also protect individuals who are ostracized and bullied - Sam to Jon and Piggy to Ralph.
2. Sam & Piggy - both are bullied because both are fat, and physically weak. The reason for Piggy's nickname is self-explanatory, given by the boys from his school, while Alliser nicknames Sam "Lady Piggy"...with the other bullies following suit. Piggy and Sam are both intellectuals, and serve as a huge part of the backbone for everyone's survival. Piggy knew about trichinosis, which saved many of the boys from potentially dying from it, had the dead boars been infected. It was also his idea for the boys to create and maintain a large fire, to signal for help. Sam knew that three hornblasts meant the Whitewalkers were coming, something the other Nights Watchmen didn't know. He also read about the abundance of black obsidian Dragonstone has - there's no way they would have defeated the Night King not knowing that. He also pointed out that the two dead rangers' bodies hadn't rotted - and read that the Walker's mere touch raises the dead. Both also take on the roles of advisors to Ralph and Jon.
3. Alliser & Jack - Alliser eventually becomes First Ranger, one of the most prestigious positions of the NW. Jack names himself and his tribe hunters, which is prestigious in its own way as they didn't know what animals lived on the island. The hunters are brave and very athletic. Both Alliser and Jack are the leaders of the bullies, downright cruel to both Sam and Piggy. Alliser abhors Jon and eventually organizes a mutiny, like Jack grows to abhor Ralph, eventually ordering the other boys to hunt and kill him. Jack craves control, as he was the head choir boy and hated Ralph's style of leadership, like Alliser craves control as he disagrees with Jon's leadership, believing it's weakening the Night's Watch.
Just a bookworm's thoughts...what do y'all think?
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