Oberyn should have won the duel for Tyrion
I’m not here to talk about arbitrary power scaling or anything like that. I believe, narratively speaking, that the plot of Game of Thrones would be improved with this change. Oberyns death is a bit of a turning point for the series; imo it marks the end of the golden era of game of thrones. With this small change, the show would completely avoid some of the weakest plot lines in the series. Tyrion in essos is admittedly interesting at first, but the novelty quickly fades as we realize that Tyrion is done having any impact on the story. He survives, but it’s still the death of his character. Jaime doesn’t go to dorne, marcella lives, and the sand snakes are removed from the story. So many poor writing decisions are automatically removed, and their replacements are much more intriguing.
Jaime would retire from the kingsguard and immediately go to casterly rock to rule. This would be so much more impactful for his character development, and we would finally get to see the rock. Tyrion would (probably) go to dorne with oberyn, just as they talk about in A Storm of Swords. This would open a whole new world of interesting plotlines, Marcella would be back in the story, and we get to see more of oberyn.
Outside of the changes, I believe the audience at this point needs to see a win. I understand the George wants to create an unpredictable story, but he already has. Ned has already been executed and the red wedding has already happened. George has created a story that radically subverts expectations to the point that the subversion is predictable. Oberyns duel would be so much more satisfying and surprising if it played out like a traditional fantasy story. Finally, after all the loss and hardship, one of the protagonists comes out on top with no strings attached. By being predictable, the story again becomes unpredictable.
Keep in mind, I have only read asoiaf up to this point. I can’t speak for the plotlines in feast or dance. I’m sure they are not as poor as in the show, but I still think my last point stands, even for the books.
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I’m not here to talk about arbitrary power scaling or anything like that. I believe, narratively speaking, that the plot of Game of Thrones would be improved with this change. Oberyns death is a bit of a turning point for the series; imo it marks the end of the golden era of game of thrones. With this small change, the show would completely avoid some of the weakest plot lines in the series. Tyrion in essos is admittedly interesting at first, but the novelty quickly fades as we realize that Tyrion is done having any impact on the story. He survives, but it’s still the death of his character. Jaime doesn’t go to dorne, marcella lives, and the sand snakes are removed from the story. So many poor writing decisions are automatically removed, and their replacements are much more intriguing.
Jaime would retire from the kingsguard and immediately go to casterly rock to rule. This would be so much more impactful for his character development, and we would finally get to see the rock. Tyrion would (probably) go to dorne with oberyn, just as they talk about in A Storm of Swords. This would open a whole new world of interesting plotlines, Marcella would be back in the story, and we get to see more of oberyn.
Outside of the changes, I believe the audience at this point needs to see a win. I understand the George wants to create an unpredictable story, but he already has. Ned has already been executed and the red wedding has already happened. George has created a story that radically subverts expectations to the point that the subversion is predictable. Oberyns duel would be so much more satisfying and surprising if it played out like a traditional fantasy story. Finally, after all the loss and hardship, one of the protagonists comes out on top with no strings attached. By being predictable, the story again becomes unpredictable.
Keep in mind, I have only read asoiaf up to this point. I can’t speak for the plotlines in feast or dance. I’m sure they are not as poor as in the show, but I still think my last point stands, even for the books.
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I declare this will be the GOAT! But will it beat Game of Thrones?
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How tf will HBO stretch Aegon’s Conquest into show with hour long eps when it’s just him rolling everyone?
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What was Bran doing in The Long Night?? (Wrong answers only👁️🫦👁️)
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I loved the Ending (first time watcher)
Thanks to all you guys who encouraged me to watch season 8 too since I was hesitant as I had been told it is better without the last season before. Glad I finished my GoT marathon✨.
And it was worth it.
Sure it wasn't as good as the past seasons... But peak is still peak. Tbh I loved some parts more than season 6, for me s6 was a bit boring.
I'll be honest, I started with no expectations. I was prepared for everyone to die (specially the Starks) and Cersei/ Night King to win (maybe they even marry and rule together). I wasn't too much into up till the 3rd episode. And my GOD, I hated the first half of ep 3, I almost fell asleep a few times. I don't like action sequences much, so a whole episode of just fighting was boring for me (where's my schemes and betrayals?!). But the last minute Arya getting the kill was soooo🥰🥰🥰. Honestly though, wtf was Bran doing?!
Last episode was peak. Full of plotholes, but peak is still peak, once again. I was sooo annoyed at Jon replying to every fucking line "yOu aRE mY qUeEn", I was overjoyed when he drove that fucking knife through her mass murdering heart (she went down to one of my least fav characters, I was literally thinking if she dies I'd defend tgis lasy episode with ALL my life). Of course, give it to Jon again to get himself caught by confessing to a crime no one Wouldve known happened (good job, Ned).
Wish Cersei got a worse death. But I was happy for Jamie. He truly loved her to the end. I actually thought he will kill her, becoming Queenslayer before offing himself, but eh. You can't have everything I guess.
Clegane brother's end was very fitting too. Also I adored Arya-Sandor's father-daughter bonding so much, they are so cold to each other it's hearywarming.
Brienne editing the fucking wiki page was funny af. "Made love to the brave beauty Brienne of Tarth, and left for that fugly bitch Cersei" would be a nice addition I'm sure we won't see.
Loved Arya shutting Yara up, though I love her too. I thought she might demand freedom too, but ig it was like too late when Sansa brought it to table. They were like "wait that was an option?!" The dig on democracy was hillarious though.
However, 8 seasons of deaths just for an evening with 8 blokes agreeing "K, let's make the cripple the King with the uncoolest nickname". Damn.
Glad I was right about Bran in s1 episode 1 though. I totally thought he would be king when the series started, then gave up that thought when he fell (I thoughy he died lol). So him becoming king was very enjoyable for me. Big brother 2.0.
Also, loved Jon ditching NW first chance he got, I know he gonna get some wildling love in the north. The unsullied were pretty dumb ig.
Sansa as queen in the north was COLD af. Loved that shot. Arya's Adventures would be a nice spinoff series too. Wonder where Drogon went :(
Well, suppose next step is to go for the books. Peace ✨.
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Thanks to all you guys who encouraged me to watch season 8 too since I was hesitant as I had been told it is better without the last season before. Glad I finished my GoT marathon✨.
And it was worth it.
Sure it wasn't as good as the past seasons... But peak is still peak. Tbh I loved some parts more than season 6, for me s6 was a bit boring.
I'll be honest, I started with no expectations. I was prepared for everyone to die (specially the Starks) and Cersei/ Night King to win (maybe they even marry and rule together). I wasn't too much into up till the 3rd episode. And my GOD, I hated the first half of ep 3, I almost fell asleep a few times. I don't like action sequences much, so a whole episode of just fighting was boring for me (where's my schemes and betrayals?!). But the last minute Arya getting the kill was soooo🥰🥰🥰. Honestly though, wtf was Bran doing?!
Last episode was peak. Full of plotholes, but peak is still peak, once again. I was sooo annoyed at Jon replying to every fucking line "yOu aRE mY qUeEn", I was overjoyed when he drove that fucking knife through her mass murdering heart (she went down to one of my least fav characters, I was literally thinking if she dies I'd defend tgis lasy episode with ALL my life). Of course, give it to Jon again to get himself caught by confessing to a crime no one Wouldve known happened (good job, Ned).
Wish Cersei got a worse death. But I was happy for Jamie. He truly loved her to the end. I actually thought he will kill her, becoming Queenslayer before offing himself, but eh. You can't have everything I guess.
Clegane brother's end was very fitting too. Also I adored Arya-Sandor's father-daughter bonding so much, they are so cold to each other it's hearywarming.
Brienne editing the fucking wiki page was funny af. "Made love to the brave beauty Brienne of Tarth, and left for that fugly bitch Cersei" would be a nice addition I'm sure we won't see.
Loved Arya shutting Yara up, though I love her too. I thought she might demand freedom too, but ig it was like too late when Sansa brought it to table. They were like "wait that was an option?!" The dig on democracy was hillarious though.
However, 8 seasons of deaths just for an evening with 8 blokes agreeing "K, let's make the cripple the King with the uncoolest nickname". Damn.
Glad I was right about Bran in s1 episode 1 though. I totally thought he would be king when the series started, then gave up that thought when he fell (I thoughy he died lol). So him becoming king was very enjoyable for me. Big brother 2.0.
Also, loved Jon ditching NW first chance he got, I know he gonna get some wildling love in the north. The unsullied were pretty dumb ig.
Sansa as queen in the north was COLD af. Loved that shot. Arya's Adventures would be a nice spinoff series too. Wonder where Drogon went :(
Well, suppose next step is to go for the books. Peace ✨.
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Didn't House Mormont worship the Old Gods as well?
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This scene confuses me where Jon takes his vows. Jeor Mormont says you will take your vows at sunset and then proceeds to say "Do any of 'YOU' still keep the Old Gods?" House Mormont being from the North must keep the Old Gods as well right? He points out that Benjen Stark took his vows at the weirwood as well but didnt take his own name?
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This scene confuses me where Jon takes his vows. Jeor Mormont says you will take your vows at sunset and then proceeds to say "Do any of 'YOU' still keep the Old Gods?" House Mormont being from the North must keep the Old Gods as well right? He points out that Benjen Stark took his vows at the weirwood as well but didnt take his own name?
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Finished season 8!
I wasn’t expecting to like it because so many people told me I’d be disappointed by the ending, I actually thought it was really good and for some reason I didn’t expect Dany to go out, especially like that! I was shocked!!! I was also shocked she did that to Kings Landing after freeing so many innocent people, pretty disappointed in her for that to say the least because she was my favorite character next to Jon Snow. My husband fell asleep RIGHT BEFORE THAT TOO! I feel so guilty knowing the ending without him lol. And Cersei? I wish she had a more fucked up death lol I know that sounds so wrong but the bitch deserved something more traumatic for what she’s done to other people. I’m so sad there isn’t going to be a season 9. I wish I could see Aryas journey, how Jon will end up, how the world is gonna be with Drogon on the loose. Looooved the show, I do see how some people could be disappointed because the last few seasons did seem a little rushed but that’s okay.
Has anyone seen house of dragons? Should I start it?
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I wasn’t expecting to like it because so many people told me I’d be disappointed by the ending, I actually thought it was really good and for some reason I didn’t expect Dany to go out, especially like that! I was shocked!!! I was also shocked she did that to Kings Landing after freeing so many innocent people, pretty disappointed in her for that to say the least because she was my favorite character next to Jon Snow. My husband fell asleep RIGHT BEFORE THAT TOO! I feel so guilty knowing the ending without him lol. And Cersei? I wish she had a more fucked up death lol I know that sounds so wrong but the bitch deserved something more traumatic for what she’s done to other people. I’m so sad there isn’t going to be a season 9. I wish I could see Aryas journey, how Jon will end up, how the world is gonna be with Drogon on the loose. Looooved the show, I do see how some people could be disappointed because the last few seasons did seem a little rushed but that’s okay.
Has anyone seen house of dragons? Should I start it?
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Finally got the books again and will re-read the series binge style...haven't dug into the books since the late 90's!! M!
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What do you think was the % of love that influenced Tyrion in his support of Daenerys?
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