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Im midway season 2 and im just curious as to how the series plays out and what I can expect in later seasons.
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Any book readers feel like Catelyn Stark’s show portrayal missed her book description?
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A detail about Jaime and Cersei’s birth that perfectly sets up the Valonqar prophecy
I was reading the books after watching the TV adaptation (didn't some of the characters ending) and noticed a detail about Jaime and Cersei’s birth that feels like massive, poetic foreshadowing for the Valonqar prophecy.
In the books, Maggy the Frog tells a young Cersei that she will be replaced by a younger, more beautiful queen, and then adds:
\> "And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you."
"Valonqar" is High Valyrian for "little brother."
Cersei has spent her entire life convinced that the prophecy refers to >!Tyrion because he is a dwarf, they hate each other, and he is undeniably her younger brother!<. But she completely blinds herself to a crucial technicality: Even though they are twins, Cersei was born first. Jaime was born moments later, making him *also* her younger brother.
Look at the specific imagery GRRM uses to describe their birth: **Cersei came out first, and Jaime was born holding onto her foot.**
This isn't just a quirky biological fact; it feels like a direct nod to the biblical story of Jacob and Esau. In Genesis, the twin brothers are born with Jacob holding onto Esau’s heel. Because of this, the name Jacob literally translates to "holder of the heel" or "supplanter", the one who takes the place of the older sibling. *Fun linguistic bonus: the name Jaime is actually a derivative of Jacob.*
When you apply that to how their arcs end in Westeros, the poetic symmetry is incredible.
\- At birth, Jaime is literally tethered to Cersei's heel. He is dragged into the world by her, establishing right away that he exists in her wake. For most of his life, this grip represents unity, he is her shadow, her protector, and her other half.
\- If someone is running ahead of you and you grab their heel, you trip them and pull them down. As Jaime develops a moral compass [after being separated from Cersei\]. Cersei spirals into wildfire-fueled madness (becoming the very thing Jaime sacrificed his honor to stop when he killed Aerys—the Mad King), Jaime is the anchor that will ultimately trip her up and "supplant" her (hand wrapping around her throat), and would be the ultimate, tragic completion of his "Kingslayer" (and "Queenslayer") destiny.
And at their birth, Jaime's hand is clamped onto Cersei's foot. At her death, that very same hand moves up to wrap around her neck. He enters the world holding onto her, and he ends her world holding onto her. I think its the ultimate transition from protector to the valonqar. \^Okay, I'm going to sleep now.
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I was reading the books after watching the TV adaptation (didn't some of the characters ending) and noticed a detail about Jaime and Cersei’s birth that feels like massive, poetic foreshadowing for the Valonqar prophecy.
In the books, Maggy the Frog tells a young Cersei that she will be replaced by a younger, more beautiful queen, and then adds:
\> "And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you."
"Valonqar" is High Valyrian for "little brother."
Cersei has spent her entire life convinced that the prophecy refers to >!Tyrion because he is a dwarf, they hate each other, and he is undeniably her younger brother!<. But she completely blinds herself to a crucial technicality: Even though they are twins, Cersei was born first. Jaime was born moments later, making him *also* her younger brother.
Look at the specific imagery GRRM uses to describe their birth: **Cersei came out first, and Jaime was born holding onto her foot.**
This isn't just a quirky biological fact; it feels like a direct nod to the biblical story of Jacob and Esau. In Genesis, the twin brothers are born with Jacob holding onto Esau’s heel. Because of this, the name Jacob literally translates to "holder of the heel" or "supplanter", the one who takes the place of the older sibling. *Fun linguistic bonus: the name Jaime is actually a derivative of Jacob.*
When you apply that to how their arcs end in Westeros, the poetic symmetry is incredible.
\- At birth, Jaime is literally tethered to Cersei's heel. He is dragged into the world by her, establishing right away that he exists in her wake. For most of his life, this grip represents unity, he is her shadow, her protector, and her other half.
\- If someone is running ahead of you and you grab their heel, you trip them and pull them down. As Jaime develops a moral compass [after being separated from Cersei\]. Cersei spirals into wildfire-fueled madness (becoming the very thing Jaime sacrificed his honor to stop when he killed Aerys—the Mad King), Jaime is the anchor that will ultimately trip her up and "supplant" her (hand wrapping around her throat), and would be the ultimate, tragic completion of his "Kingslayer" (and "Queenslayer") destiny.
And at their birth, Jaime's hand is clamped onto Cersei's foot. At her death, that very same hand moves up to wrap around her neck. He enters the world holding onto her, and he ends her world holding onto her. I think its the ultimate transition from protector to the valonqar. \^Okay, I'm going to sleep now.
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What's your favorite scene that doesn't focus on the main characters?
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Lmfaooo WHAT THE FUCK DID I JUST WATCH? OH MY GOD?
Margaery? The Sparrow Septa? Tommen??? my jaw dropped further and further and further
i loved margaery, i dont know how to feel about cersei. i was conflicted but felt her deserving of her prisoner era. conflicted on how to feel about seeing her back in power. i hated her little forsaken maester, but i fear i do fw him after this episode
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Lmfaooo WHAT THE FUCK DID I JUST WATCH? OH MY GOD?
Margaery? The Sparrow Septa? Tommen??? my jaw dropped further and further and further
i loved margaery, i dont know how to feel about cersei. i was conflicted but felt her deserving of her prisoner era. conflicted on how to feel about seeing her back in power. i hated her little forsaken maester, but i fear i do fw him after this episode
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I feel like people coddle Saera Targaryen to much, she sucks.
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Their dynamic had an underlying respectfor each other. The most powerful man in Westeros finding intellectual comfort in the only child brave enough to look him in the eye. Quite fascinating My lord sorry m'lord.
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Cersei is the only person who would start a war with someone who has 3 full grown DRAGONS and an Army while being PREGNANT 😂
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Love how Dunk split the bread evenly for Egg, who’s about 10x smaller than him ❤️
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Why did D&D make Drogo so much more brutal the first time he bedded Dany on screen compared to the books?
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Dumbest scene in GoT: My nomination is in The Long Night when they stood on Winterfell’s walls staring at the army of the dead immobilized by the fire moat, and took forever to man the walls and fire one arrow.
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What particular aspects you think the TV series did better than the books
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Gentle pushback
I’ve seen the statements:
“you didn’t like it because you waited years between each season”
“ if you binge it all at once the ending gets so much better”
Im sorry but these statements are just excuses to fight off any criticism. If every show we criticize can be solved by simply binging it all at once then I guess all criticism is invalid.
It’s an unfalsifiable statement. I’m pretty sure many people watched here binged the show all at once and still noticed how the writing completely fell off in the later seasons.
Still best show ever though. I read all the books after disliking season 7 and 8 and my god they are so rewarding.
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I’ve seen the statements:
“you didn’t like it because you waited years between each season”
“ if you binge it all at once the ending gets so much better”
Im sorry but these statements are just excuses to fight off any criticism. If every show we criticize can be solved by simply binging it all at once then I guess all criticism is invalid.
It’s an unfalsifiable statement. I’m pretty sure many people watched here binged the show all at once and still noticed how the writing completely fell off in the later seasons.
Still best show ever though. I read all the books after disliking season 7 and 8 and my god they are so rewarding.
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