Between Theon betraying Robb, Catleyn releasing Jaime, and Robb breaking his vow, what was he biggest catalyst for the Red Wedding happening?
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Just started watching and I don't know if I can continue
I started watching a couple days ago and have been binge watching every day but I just got done with season 3 episode 9, is rob really dead? I've never seen GOT before but he was one of my favorite characters on this show and now I don't know if I want to keep watching
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I started watching a couple days ago and have been binge watching every day but I just got done with season 3 episode 9, is rob really dead? I've never seen GOT before but he was one of my favorite characters on this show and now I don't know if I want to keep watching
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Spin-Off Film Idea: The Defiance of Duskendale in the continuous shot style of the Film 1917.
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Aerys II’s legendary Kingsguard vs random people from the show
We all know the Kingsguard at the start of Robert’s rebellion was supposedly the best ever (ironic considering the deaths of most of the Targaryens and the Kingsguard themselves). They’ve got:
Ser Gerold Hightower - not only is he a good fighter, but being a Hightower he probably got to hang out at the Citadel and had the best Measters teaching him, so he’s likely a genius too.
Ser Barristan Selmy - the greatest Knight ever. Did the whole Duskendale thing, just don’t ask him to fight a bunch of untrained guys with small daggers.
Ser Oswell Whent - he was there too. Also growing up in Harrenhal must make you tougher than someone from a non haunted castle.
Ser Jonothor Darry - great at fighting(probably) and his brother Willem was like the first person to be nice to Danaerys.
Prince Llewyn Martel - probably drags the KG down TBH but at least he got killed by a Valyrian Steel sword.
Ser Arthur Dayne - not only does he have Dawn but also possibly a second unnamed sword. Maybe it’s called Dusk. Sure he went down against Ned Stark and Howland Reed, but who wouldn’t?
So now that we know who we’re up against, we have to pick seven of the best swordsmen from the more modern Westerosi times.
1. Karl Tanner - we have to start off strong. He basically had Jon Snow beat while being piss drunk. Easily the most deadly nights watch member the Nights Watch ever had.
2. Dagmer Cleftjaw - Theon’s First Mate aboard the Sea Bitch, any high ranking Iron Islander is a good fighter. But I’m adding him here because he was very good at convincing Theon to kill people he didn’t want to kill, so Dagmer’s main role will be to encourage more violence.
3. Ser Hugh of the Vale - Jon Arryn’s personal squire, surely Hugh received the highest level of training possible. We didn’t get to see much of him in action, but his reputation was so fearsome, the Mountain had to cheat to beat him. Possibly Jon Arryn’s bastard, Hugh was the strong seed he would not shut up about.
4. Yoren of the Nights watch - put up a very impressive fight against Ser Amory Lorch and his men, maybe Karl Tanner trained him before he went south.
5. Gender Baratheon - sticking with Yoren’s crew, Gendry is not only fast but also makes his own helmet and hammer. Even as a peniless orphan he refused to sell his helmet to the hand of the King because he knew Ned wasn’t worthy of such fine armor. Maybe if he killed someone more impressive than Ser Arthur Dayne, Gendry would consider selling something to him. He can be the in house smith, saving a lot of money. If there is a sensitive mission he can go undercover as Clovis.
6. Edmure Tully - every KG needs a top strategic mind and no one is better than Edmure “the Greenfish” Tully. He is the only one to ever defeat Tywin in the field (the Mountian in the show, but still impressive). Runner up at the archery portion of the Tourney at Lord Hoster’s funeral. He was also a prisoner for years and even such brutal confinement seemed to have no effect on him. (Take notes Theon).
7. Brynden Tully - he will be the Lord Commander. Winner of the archery portion of the Tourney at Lord Hoster’s funeral. He’s a legend, according to Ser Davos and he also died fighting. His main role will be to make fun of Emdure to keep the rest of the Kingsguard amused, morale is highly important.
Do you think my seven can take on the failure Kingsguard of Aerys?
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We all know the Kingsguard at the start of Robert’s rebellion was supposedly the best ever (ironic considering the deaths of most of the Targaryens and the Kingsguard themselves). They’ve got:
Ser Gerold Hightower - not only is he a good fighter, but being a Hightower he probably got to hang out at the Citadel and had the best Measters teaching him, so he’s likely a genius too.
Ser Barristan Selmy - the greatest Knight ever. Did the whole Duskendale thing, just don’t ask him to fight a bunch of untrained guys with small daggers.
Ser Oswell Whent - he was there too. Also growing up in Harrenhal must make you tougher than someone from a non haunted castle.
Ser Jonothor Darry - great at fighting(probably) and his brother Willem was like the first person to be nice to Danaerys.
Prince Llewyn Martel - probably drags the KG down TBH but at least he got killed by a Valyrian Steel sword.
Ser Arthur Dayne - not only does he have Dawn but also possibly a second unnamed sword. Maybe it’s called Dusk. Sure he went down against Ned Stark and Howland Reed, but who wouldn’t?
So now that we know who we’re up against, we have to pick seven of the best swordsmen from the more modern Westerosi times.
1. Karl Tanner - we have to start off strong. He basically had Jon Snow beat while being piss drunk. Easily the most deadly nights watch member the Nights Watch ever had.
2. Dagmer Cleftjaw - Theon’s First Mate aboard the Sea Bitch, any high ranking Iron Islander is a good fighter. But I’m adding him here because he was very good at convincing Theon to kill people he didn’t want to kill, so Dagmer’s main role will be to encourage more violence.
3. Ser Hugh of the Vale - Jon Arryn’s personal squire, surely Hugh received the highest level of training possible. We didn’t get to see much of him in action, but his reputation was so fearsome, the Mountain had to cheat to beat him. Possibly Jon Arryn’s bastard, Hugh was the strong seed he would not shut up about.
4. Yoren of the Nights watch - put up a very impressive fight against Ser Amory Lorch and his men, maybe Karl Tanner trained him before he went south.
5. Gender Baratheon - sticking with Yoren’s crew, Gendry is not only fast but also makes his own helmet and hammer. Even as a peniless orphan he refused to sell his helmet to the hand of the King because he knew Ned wasn’t worthy of such fine armor. Maybe if he killed someone more impressive than Ser Arthur Dayne, Gendry would consider selling something to him. He can be the in house smith, saving a lot of money. If there is a sensitive mission he can go undercover as Clovis.
6. Edmure Tully - every KG needs a top strategic mind and no one is better than Edmure “the Greenfish” Tully. He is the only one to ever defeat Tywin in the field (the Mountian in the show, but still impressive). Runner up at the archery portion of the Tourney at Lord Hoster’s funeral. He was also a prisoner for years and even such brutal confinement seemed to have no effect on him. (Take notes Theon).
7. Brynden Tully - he will be the Lord Commander. Winner of the archery portion of the Tourney at Lord Hoster’s funeral. He’s a legend, according to Ser Davos and he also died fighting. His main role will be to make fun of Emdure to keep the rest of the Kingsguard amused, morale is highly important.
Do you think my seven can take on the failure Kingsguard of Aerys?
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What was Lysa and Catelyn's intention with killing Tyrion?
Suppose Tyrion was judged guilty and executed at the Vale, and Lysa Arryn's willingness to AVOID a war with the Lannisters, what exactly was her plan? She would have killed Tywin's second son, and Tywin practically bankrolled Robert's reign while the Queen was a Lannister so the Vale couldn't guarantee royal support.
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Suppose Tyrion was judged guilty and executed at the Vale, and Lysa Arryn's willingness to AVOID a war with the Lannisters, what exactly was her plan? She would have killed Tywin's second son, and Tywin practically bankrolled Robert's reign while the Queen was a Lannister so the Vale couldn't guarantee royal support.
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NO SPOILERS Rank the 8 seasons based on entertainment value alone.
Im midway season 2 and im just curious as to how the series plays out and what I can expect in later seasons.
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Im midway season 2 and im just curious as to how the series plays out and what I can expect in later seasons.
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Any book readers feel like Catelyn Stark’s show portrayal missed her book description?
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A detail about Jaime and Cersei’s birth that perfectly sets up the Valonqar prophecy
I was reading the books after watching the TV adaptation (didn't some of the characters ending) and noticed a detail about Jaime and Cersei’s birth that feels like massive, poetic foreshadowing for the Valonqar prophecy.
In the books, Maggy the Frog tells a young Cersei that she will be replaced by a younger, more beautiful queen, and then adds:
\> "And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you."
"Valonqar" is High Valyrian for "little brother."
Cersei has spent her entire life convinced that the prophecy refers to >!Tyrion because he is a dwarf, they hate each other, and he is undeniably her younger brother!<. But she completely blinds herself to a crucial technicality: Even though they are twins, Cersei was born first. Jaime was born moments later, making him *also* her younger brother.
Look at the specific imagery GRRM uses to describe their birth: **Cersei came out first, and Jaime was born holding onto her foot.**
This isn't just a quirky biological fact; it feels like a direct nod to the biblical story of Jacob and Esau. In Genesis, the twin brothers are born with Jacob holding onto Esau’s heel. Because of this, the name Jacob literally translates to "holder of the heel" or "supplanter", the one who takes the place of the older sibling. *Fun linguistic bonus: the name Jaime is actually a derivative of Jacob.*
When you apply that to how their arcs end in Westeros, the poetic symmetry is incredible.
\- At birth, Jaime is literally tethered to Cersei's heel. He is dragged into the world by her, establishing right away that he exists in her wake. For most of his life, this grip represents unity, he is her shadow, her protector, and her other half.
\- If someone is running ahead of you and you grab their heel, you trip them and pull them down. As Jaime develops a moral compass [after being separated from Cersei\]. Cersei spirals into wildfire-fueled madness (becoming the very thing Jaime sacrificed his honor to stop when he killed Aerys—the Mad King), Jaime is the anchor that will ultimately trip her up and "supplant" her (hand wrapping around her throat), and would be the ultimate, tragic completion of his "Kingslayer" (and "Queenslayer") destiny.
And at their birth, Jaime's hand is clamped onto Cersei's foot. At her death, that very same hand moves up to wrap around her neck. He enters the world holding onto her, and he ends her world holding onto her. I think its the ultimate transition from protector to the valonqar. \^Okay, I'm going to sleep now.
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I was reading the books after watching the TV adaptation (didn't some of the characters ending) and noticed a detail about Jaime and Cersei’s birth that feels like massive, poetic foreshadowing for the Valonqar prophecy.
In the books, Maggy the Frog tells a young Cersei that she will be replaced by a younger, more beautiful queen, and then adds:
\> "And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you."
"Valonqar" is High Valyrian for "little brother."
Cersei has spent her entire life convinced that the prophecy refers to >!Tyrion because he is a dwarf, they hate each other, and he is undeniably her younger brother!<. But she completely blinds herself to a crucial technicality: Even though they are twins, Cersei was born first. Jaime was born moments later, making him *also* her younger brother.
Look at the specific imagery GRRM uses to describe their birth: **Cersei came out first, and Jaime was born holding onto her foot.**
This isn't just a quirky biological fact; it feels like a direct nod to the biblical story of Jacob and Esau. In Genesis, the twin brothers are born with Jacob holding onto Esau’s heel. Because of this, the name Jacob literally translates to "holder of the heel" or "supplanter", the one who takes the place of the older sibling. *Fun linguistic bonus: the name Jaime is actually a derivative of Jacob.*
When you apply that to how their arcs end in Westeros, the poetic symmetry is incredible.
\- At birth, Jaime is literally tethered to Cersei's heel. He is dragged into the world by her, establishing right away that he exists in her wake. For most of his life, this grip represents unity, he is her shadow, her protector, and her other half.
\- If someone is running ahead of you and you grab their heel, you trip them and pull them down. As Jaime develops a moral compass [after being separated from Cersei\]. Cersei spirals into wildfire-fueled madness (becoming the very thing Jaime sacrificed his honor to stop when he killed Aerys—the Mad King), Jaime is the anchor that will ultimately trip her up and "supplant" her (hand wrapping around her throat), and would be the ultimate, tragic completion of his "Kingslayer" (and "Queenslayer") destiny.
And at their birth, Jaime's hand is clamped onto Cersei's foot. At her death, that very same hand moves up to wrap around her neck. He enters the world holding onto her, and he ends her world holding onto her. I think its the ultimate transition from protector to the valonqar. \^Okay, I'm going to sleep now.
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What's your favorite scene that doesn't focus on the main characters?
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Lmfaooo WHAT THE FUCK DID I JUST WATCH? OH MY GOD?
Margaery? The Sparrow Septa? Tommen??? my jaw dropped further and further and further
i loved margaery, i dont know how to feel about cersei. i was conflicted but felt her deserving of her prisoner era. conflicted on how to feel about seeing her back in power. i hated her little forsaken maester, but i fear i do fw him after this episode
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Lmfaooo WHAT THE FUCK DID I JUST WATCH? OH MY GOD?
Margaery? The Sparrow Septa? Tommen??? my jaw dropped further and further and further
i loved margaery, i dont know how to feel about cersei. i was conflicted but felt her deserving of her prisoner era. conflicted on how to feel about seeing her back in power. i hated her little forsaken maester, but i fear i do fw him after this episode
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I feel like people coddle Saera Targaryen to much, she sucks.
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Their dynamic had an underlying respectfor each other. The most powerful man in Westeros finding intellectual comfort in the only child brave enough to look him in the eye. Quite fascinating My lord sorry m'lord.
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