One of the most underrated characters in the story
Qhorin Halfhand. Love this quote from him.
Jon Snow: "I'd gladly give my life..."
Qhorin Halfhand: "I don't want you to be glad about it. I want to curse and fight until your heart's done pumping. Know this, boy: your death will be a gift for them South of the Wall. They'll never knew what you've done, they'll never know how you died, they won't even know your damn name, but they'll be alive because some nameless bastard North of the Wall laid his life for theirs. Now, do you understand me?"
And later, Jon is commended by Tormund for how he fights and never gives up. Lesson stuck. Qhorin also literally gave his life so Jon would have a chance to infiltrate the wildlings and gather intelligence. Don't know what he did wrong in his life to end up on the wall, but his dedication can't be questioned.
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Qhorin Halfhand. Love this quote from him.
Jon Snow: "I'd gladly give my life..."
Qhorin Halfhand: "I don't want you to be glad about it. I want to curse and fight until your heart's done pumping. Know this, boy: your death will be a gift for them South of the Wall. They'll never knew what you've done, they'll never know how you died, they won't even know your damn name, but they'll be alive because some nameless bastard North of the Wall laid his life for theirs. Now, do you understand me?"
And later, Jon is commended by Tormund for how he fights and never gives up. Lesson stuck. Qhorin also literally gave his life so Jon would have a chance to infiltrate the wildlings and gather intelligence. Don't know what he did wrong in his life to end up on the wall, but his dedication can't be questioned.
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Tommen Hate
so i just finished got for the FIRST time in like late march and i loved it so so much. when i came online though, i was so baffled by the amount of hate and vitriol for tommen. can someone help me understand this? i know that he wasn’t very strong willed but i genuinely cannot understand how anyone could hate him more than joffrey (which ive seen some people feel). he was literally a child and a kind, good person. i don’t know why anyone would expect him to have top knowledge in politics and running a kingdom when he suddenly became king at the age of 10 after his brother was killed. let alone the manipulation his mother and the sept put him through. please tell me why you dislike him so much if you do!! i do not get it.
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so i just finished got for the FIRST time in like late march and i loved it so so much. when i came online though, i was so baffled by the amount of hate and vitriol for tommen. can someone help me understand this? i know that he wasn’t very strong willed but i genuinely cannot understand how anyone could hate him more than joffrey (which ive seen some people feel). he was literally a child and a kind, good person. i don’t know why anyone would expect him to have top knowledge in politics and running a kingdom when he suddenly became king at the age of 10 after his brother was killed. let alone the manipulation his mother and the sept put him through. please tell me why you dislike him so much if you do!! i do not get it.
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If you were the Mother of Dragons, which one’s the keeper?
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Make a GOT character want to kill you with one sentence. . .
((me to Cersei))
***”Hey, Lyanna, can you—oh, my bad.”***
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((me to Cersei))
***”Hey, Lyanna, can you—oh, my bad.”***
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the charge of The Dothraki Horde on the long night
What result are we hoping for here? 2,000 charging 100,000 without support. Every time I watch it my military days rips its eyes out. What are we thinking the best case scenario is?
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What result are we hoping for here? 2,000 charging 100,000 without support. Every time I watch it my military days rips its eyes out. What are we thinking the best case scenario is?
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(Spoilers Main) Cersei Lannister, Jane Shore, and the Harringtons
Hey!
I was reading Fire Cannot Kill a Dragon and encountered the chapter concerning Cersei's 'Walk of Shame' and how ["Martin’s usage was based off the punishment of King Edward IV’s mistress Jane Shore in the fifteenth century. After Edward’s death in 1483, the king’s brother took the throne and charged Shore with conspiracy, accusing her of “sorcery” and “witchcraft.” Shore was forced to endure a penance walk through London wearing only a thin white undergarment while the crowd “shamed” her."\]
So, I did some cursory research into her. It's an interesting story (and I've ordered a book on the subject) but I wanted to share something I discovered.
It's common knowledge that Kit Harington (Christopher Catesby Harington) is a descendent of Sir John Harrington, the inventor of the flush toilet.
Jane Shore (who was born Elizabeth Lambert) was the mistress of various noblemen. One of her suitors, Thomas Grey, the 1st Marquess of Dorset, was married to a Cecily Bonville, the 7th Baroness Harington and stepdaughter to William Hastings. Which means Kit is the 10th great-grandson of Sir John Harrington, and Cecily roughly his 4th cousin, 16 times removed by my calculation. Now, Kit is directly descended from the Harringtons of Kelston, whereas Cecily comes from the Harringtons of Aldingham, but I still find the historical connection fascinating.
TLDR - George was inspired by the punishment of a 15th-Century mistress when writing Cersei's 'Walk of Shame' - and a distant relative to Kit was one of her cuckoldress.
Please correct me on anything I've got wrong. Oh, and it's important to note that her penance was the result of a conspiracy charge, not her philandering.
EDIT: I spelt Harington with two 'r's' - g'damn it.
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Hey!
I was reading Fire Cannot Kill a Dragon and encountered the chapter concerning Cersei's 'Walk of Shame' and how ["Martin’s usage was based off the punishment of King Edward IV’s mistress Jane Shore in the fifteenth century. After Edward’s death in 1483, the king’s brother took the throne and charged Shore with conspiracy, accusing her of “sorcery” and “witchcraft.” Shore was forced to endure a penance walk through London wearing only a thin white undergarment while the crowd “shamed” her."\]
So, I did some cursory research into her. It's an interesting story (and I've ordered a book on the subject) but I wanted to share something I discovered.
It's common knowledge that Kit Harington (Christopher Catesby Harington) is a descendent of Sir John Harrington, the inventor of the flush toilet.
Jane Shore (who was born Elizabeth Lambert) was the mistress of various noblemen. One of her suitors, Thomas Grey, the 1st Marquess of Dorset, was married to a Cecily Bonville, the 7th Baroness Harington and stepdaughter to William Hastings. Which means Kit is the 10th great-grandson of Sir John Harrington, and Cecily roughly his 4th cousin, 16 times removed by my calculation. Now, Kit is directly descended from the Harringtons of Kelston, whereas Cecily comes from the Harringtons of Aldingham, but I still find the historical connection fascinating.
TLDR - George was inspired by the punishment of a 15th-Century mistress when writing Cersei's 'Walk of Shame' - and a distant relative to Kit was one of her cuckoldress.
Please correct me on anything I've got wrong. Oh, and it's important to note that her penance was the result of a conspiracy charge, not her philandering.
EDIT: I spelt Harington with two 'r's' - g'damn it.
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Winterfell confuses me. In the show they never really ever show it as being a large complex. It’s basically the capital of the North where is everyone? Outside the walls is just snow.
I’ve never understood this. I mean Ramsey had 6,000 men there? Dany brought in like 8,000 unsullied and supposedly 100,000 Dothraki? I know Sansa addresses ‘how are we suppose to feed them all, let alone dragons’
But my lord. How were they feeding anyone even before that?
8 seasons. You don’t see any farmlands or milling towns or literally anything around the walls of winterfell. I understand there are cities around the walls further away. But what? When Dany and Ramsey had their men there.. where did they sleep? They don’t even ever show like soldier housing. Or tents, just absolutely nothing.
It just annoys me. Anyone else? Would’ve been cool to see a few towns right near winterfell
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I’ve never understood this. I mean Ramsey had 6,000 men there? Dany brought in like 8,000 unsullied and supposedly 100,000 Dothraki? I know Sansa addresses ‘how are we suppose to feed them all, let alone dragons’
But my lord. How were they feeding anyone even before that?
8 seasons. You don’t see any farmlands or milling towns or literally anything around the walls of winterfell. I understand there are cities around the walls further away. But what? When Dany and Ramsey had their men there.. where did they sleep? They don’t even ever show like soldier housing. Or tents, just absolutely nothing.
It just annoys me. Anyone else? Would’ve been cool to see a few towns right near winterfell
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Two helpless empty-handed sods (King Viserys by me, Bloody Baron by Vincent Wintermute)
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The main question -will the book ever be completed..is it even worth it for me to dive into the books if it has no ending ?
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