When MLMs send their Huns to defend their scams, they never send their best or brightest. Possibly two, of the Bravenly Huns arrived here last night, and their attempts were, (as expected), pathetic.
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Is a relationship with a partner in an MLM possible?
I am looking for advice. Please be kind - we all know how those MLMs work, preying on vulnerable people - and when emotions are involved, it’s a thousand times harder to make a decision.
My partner of 2.5 years got himself into Amway (one of the AMOs active in the UK) 1 year and 2 months ago. Because of serious health issues before that, his financial situation has deteriorated - he’s in debt, also owes me money (which I lent him before the MLM), and currently not having his own place to live (staying with friends and family).
He’s an intelligent, educated man, but Amway has found him in a vulnerable time. He’s just over 50 and his situation is hitting him hard. I understand the motivation behind why he wants his “business” to work. I understand why he is doing it and his goal - to be able to give back to his family and the people he cares about. From what I’ve gathered he’s doing decent in it - he’s really good in speaking to people and recruiting others.
He works as a supply teacher with an agency, as he doesn’t want to go back to full time teaching. He is saying that he’s done it for many years and it’s exhausting. I don’t believe, in his current situation, that he has the luxury of flexibility or not being in a full time employment.
Unfortunately, no matter that he has got good intensions, and believes in it, I have been suffering from ongoing anxiety because of his involvement in Amway. The more I know about it, the more I am against it. It doesn’t align with my core values. In December, we have broken up twice because of this. We have spoke about it extensively - I have made a 23 page power point presentation with information and sources on why those schemes are bad and predatory. He read Merchants of Deception. We studied the income disclosure statement of Amway in the UK, and the numbers are grim. Yet, he had a counter answer to everything… even the officials numbers on the statement. However, we still got back together, as the pain of the break up was too much to handle. We love and deeply care about each other.
He’s been trying to work with me to find a middle ground. He’s saying he needs to do it and it’s fine if I don’t support it. That I don’t have to be a part of it, that our relationship is separate from this. Yet, he made it clear he will not leave it, but I’ve been living with a quiet hope that he will see the truth about this scheme.
I am living with constant anxiety. Any mention of what he’s doing sends me down a spiral of overthinking. I have to admit there are some good things that come out of this scheme - he really is working on himself and I can see the changes - but the way that it is used in is wrong. Recently he mentioned to someone that he is semi retired, which just confirms my fears about Amway - first, they make people believe that they are living in a different reality and second, they present it to others in a deceptive way.
We are going through a break up again… just on Thursday I had to speak up about how this whole scheme makes me feel. That I will never accept it… that I need to choose my peace, as I can’t be myself with the constant worry. Saying this has torn me apart. He wants us to find a way to work this through… and deep down inside I really want that too. My friend gave me an idea - that in order to for this to have any chance, he would have to go back to full time employment and do Amway on the side. Then we both would have to sacrifice something - I would have to learn to live on the side of the MLM and he would have to go against his wishes. On top of that, I would have a few more requirements: profit and loss tracking and no prospecting when we’re together.
I am here, completely torn. Yesterday was the first day we didn’t speak. I asked for a couple of weeks to think about everything. He said I can always call him if I need to. I am battling with the urge to speak with him. I don’t want to call him if just to make myself feel better… I can’t play with his emotions. I only want to call him if I genuinely would
I am looking for advice. Please be kind - we all know how those MLMs work, preying on vulnerable people - and when emotions are involved, it’s a thousand times harder to make a decision.
My partner of 2.5 years got himself into Amway (one of the AMOs active in the UK) 1 year and 2 months ago. Because of serious health issues before that, his financial situation has deteriorated - he’s in debt, also owes me money (which I lent him before the MLM), and currently not having his own place to live (staying with friends and family).
He’s an intelligent, educated man, but Amway has found him in a vulnerable time. He’s just over 50 and his situation is hitting him hard. I understand the motivation behind why he wants his “business” to work. I understand why he is doing it and his goal - to be able to give back to his family and the people he cares about. From what I’ve gathered he’s doing decent in it - he’s really good in speaking to people and recruiting others.
He works as a supply teacher with an agency, as he doesn’t want to go back to full time teaching. He is saying that he’s done it for many years and it’s exhausting. I don’t believe, in his current situation, that he has the luxury of flexibility or not being in a full time employment.
Unfortunately, no matter that he has got good intensions, and believes in it, I have been suffering from ongoing anxiety because of his involvement in Amway. The more I know about it, the more I am against it. It doesn’t align with my core values. In December, we have broken up twice because of this. We have spoke about it extensively - I have made a 23 page power point presentation with information and sources on why those schemes are bad and predatory. He read Merchants of Deception. We studied the income disclosure statement of Amway in the UK, and the numbers are grim. Yet, he had a counter answer to everything… even the officials numbers on the statement. However, we still got back together, as the pain of the break up was too much to handle. We love and deeply care about each other.
He’s been trying to work with me to find a middle ground. He’s saying he needs to do it and it’s fine if I don’t support it. That I don’t have to be a part of it, that our relationship is separate from this. Yet, he made it clear he will not leave it, but I’ve been living with a quiet hope that he will see the truth about this scheme.
I am living with constant anxiety. Any mention of what he’s doing sends me down a spiral of overthinking. I have to admit there are some good things that come out of this scheme - he really is working on himself and I can see the changes - but the way that it is used in is wrong. Recently he mentioned to someone that he is semi retired, which just confirms my fears about Amway - first, they make people believe that they are living in a different reality and second, they present it to others in a deceptive way.
We are going through a break up again… just on Thursday I had to speak up about how this whole scheme makes me feel. That I will never accept it… that I need to choose my peace, as I can’t be myself with the constant worry. Saying this has torn me apart. He wants us to find a way to work this through… and deep down inside I really want that too. My friend gave me an idea - that in order to for this to have any chance, he would have to go back to full time employment and do Amway on the side. Then we both would have to sacrifice something - I would have to learn to live on the side of the MLM and he would have to go against his wishes. On top of that, I would have a few more requirements: profit and loss tracking and no prospecting when we’re together.
I am here, completely torn. Yesterday was the first day we didn’t speak. I asked for a couple of weeks to think about everything. He said I can always call him if I need to. I am battling with the urge to speak with him. I don’t want to call him if just to make myself feel better… I can’t play with his emotions. I only want to call him if I genuinely would
want to try to find a compromise. And one half of me is screaming to do it. But the other part is seeking peace… The thought of him suffering now is breaking my heart.
I was wondering if anyone has any success story of their partner being in an MLM and the relationship still working out? Is it possible to let go of that constant internal conflict and love your partner the way they are, without supporting the MLM? Could me and my partner stand any chance of making it work?
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I was wondering if anyone has any success story of their partner being in an MLM and the relationship still working out? Is it possible to let go of that constant internal conflict and love your partner the way they are, without supporting the MLM? Could me and my partner stand any chance of making it work?
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How to get someone out / gently make them see they are wasting their money?
I am not super close with this girl, but we worked together on a team in the past and many of my friends still work with her, and we are in the same small niche community (creative industry).
A few of us are worried about her, she is doing the whole Kangen water MLM, but she is a very sweet naive girl and does not seem to be doing any kind of success at all, I doubt she has even signed one person up, and she has been doing it for about 1.5 years now, including going to 2 overseas seminars.
She sometimes makes posts about how she feels frustrated at her lack of progress in the business, and that she needs to remind herself that she will succeed if she keeps believing etc.
She also recently posted about doing a 3 day, 10 hours per day, "online mindset training" about committing herself fully to the business... and I think it has just got her deeper into the belief that she will eventually succeed if she keeps spending money on the "business".
What can we do?? She is a very sweet girl, I suspect possibly neuro divergent, and she clearly has gained benefits from doing this such as boosting her self confidence and making social media posts (even if she doesn't get likes on them, I have to admit they do look professional and like she is gaining a transferrable skill).
She expressed before her parents doubted her "business" but it seems her mentor used that as fuel for the fire and to hype her up even more to prove them wrong.
I'm worried even more now because she shared a post by a girl from her mentors team, saying that "Good debt is investing loans into your business" so I am worried she is really going in hard with getting loans and spending cash she doesn't have yet.
Sorry for the long post, any advice on how we can gently nudge her into seeing she is wasting a lot of money with no return? I would hate to see her make irreversable damage to her life.
She also makes posts wearing her staff t shirt at work and likening the MLM business to the work she does at the arts company, I'm worried she will try to scout other people from our community, but I don't want to be a grass and report it to the boss.. but filming MLM content at our work place, it's just making me worried.
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I am not super close with this girl, but we worked together on a team in the past and many of my friends still work with her, and we are in the same small niche community (creative industry).
A few of us are worried about her, she is doing the whole Kangen water MLM, but she is a very sweet naive girl and does not seem to be doing any kind of success at all, I doubt she has even signed one person up, and she has been doing it for about 1.5 years now, including going to 2 overseas seminars.
She sometimes makes posts about how she feels frustrated at her lack of progress in the business, and that she needs to remind herself that she will succeed if she keeps believing etc.
She also recently posted about doing a 3 day, 10 hours per day, "online mindset training" about committing herself fully to the business... and I think it has just got her deeper into the belief that she will eventually succeed if she keeps spending money on the "business".
What can we do?? She is a very sweet girl, I suspect possibly neuro divergent, and she clearly has gained benefits from doing this such as boosting her self confidence and making social media posts (even if she doesn't get likes on them, I have to admit they do look professional and like she is gaining a transferrable skill).
She expressed before her parents doubted her "business" but it seems her mentor used that as fuel for the fire and to hype her up even more to prove them wrong.
I'm worried even more now because she shared a post by a girl from her mentors team, saying that "Good debt is investing loans into your business" so I am worried she is really going in hard with getting loans and spending cash she doesn't have yet.
Sorry for the long post, any advice on how we can gently nudge her into seeing she is wasting a lot of money with no return? I would hate to see her make irreversable damage to her life.
She also makes posts wearing her staff t shirt at work and likening the MLM business to the work she does at the arts company, I'm worried she will try to scout other people from our community, but I don't want to be a grass and report it to the boss.. but filming MLM content at our work place, it's just making me worried.
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