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It is No 2 that you need take of and keep in mind. Moving on.
Public Authorities
“15 Mr Dietrich and Mr Häring, who own dwellings within the geographical area covered by Hessischer Rundfunk, offered to pay the radio and television licence fee due pursuant to Paragraph 2(1) of the RBStV for the second quarter of 2015 and the first quarter of 2016, respectively, in cash”
As you can see Mr. Dietrich and Mr Haring wanted to pay their television licence fees in cash and the “public authority” tasked with collecting those fees made a song and dance about it and gave them no option to do that – the Court Ruled that:
“32 In those circumstances, the answer to the first question referred for a preliminary ruling must start from the premiss that the second sentence of Paragraph 14(1) of the BBankG obliges public authorities to accept euro banknotes in fulfilment of statutorily imposed payment obligations.”
Ok – the Court confined itself to the question of whether the National Authority could oblige EVERYBODY to pay for their TV in several different ways but EXCLUDE payment in cash – the point was raised that:
“72 As regards the reasons of public interest relied on to justify the exclusion, under the legislation at issue in the main proceedings, of cash payments of the radio and television licence fee, it should be noted that Hessischer Rundfunk stated in its written observations that, given the fact that there are approximately 46 million licence fee payers in Germany, the obligation to pay the radio and television licence fee by cashless means of payment is intended to ensure the effective recovery of the licence fee and to avoid substantial additional costs”
But, further on made this point
“78 It follows from the foregoing that the answer to the second question is that the third sentence of Article 128(1) TFEU, the third sentence of the first paragraph of Article 16 of the Protocol on the ESCB and the ECB, and the second sentence of Article 10 of Regulation No 974/98 must be interpreted as not precluding national legislation which excludes the possibility of discharging a statutorily imposed payment obligation in banknotes denominated in euro, provided (i) that that legislation does not have the object or effect of establishing legal rules governing the status of legal tender of such banknotes; (ii) that it does not lead, in law or in fact, to abolition of those banknotes, in particular by calling into question the possibility, as a general rule, of discharging a payment obligation in cash; (iii) that it has been adopted for reasons of public interest; (iv) that the limitation on payments in cash which the legislation entails is appropriate for attaining the public interest objective pursued; and (v) that it does not go beyond what is necessary in order to achieve that objective, in that other lawful means of discharging the payment obligation are available”
In plain English – yep – to collect this fee, you CAN set up or require people to have Direct Debits or whatever but you CANNOT refuse the actual LEGAL TENDER of the EU – or make “Rules” in such a way;
“(ii) that it does not lead, in law or in fact, to abolition of those banknotes, in particular by calling into question the possibility, as a general rule, of discharging a payment obligation in cash;”
This is AFFIRMED in the final paragraph – that CASH is LEGAL TENDER – that while Public Authorities can have a system whereby those who can or want to can pay by electronic means they CANNOT refuse LEGAL TENDER OR MAKE RULES that exclude the possibility of paying with LEGAL TENDER – i.e., = CASH
Public Authorities
“15 Mr Dietrich and Mr Häring, who own dwellings within the geographical area covered by Hessischer Rundfunk, offered to pay the radio and television licence fee due pursuant to Paragraph 2(1) of the RBStV for the second quarter of 2015 and the first quarter of 2016, respectively, in cash”
As you can see Mr. Dietrich and Mr Haring wanted to pay their television licence fees in cash and the “public authority” tasked with collecting those fees made a song and dance about it and gave them no option to do that – the Court Ruled that:
“32 In those circumstances, the answer to the first question referred for a preliminary ruling must start from the premiss that the second sentence of Paragraph 14(1) of the BBankG obliges public authorities to accept euro banknotes in fulfilment of statutorily imposed payment obligations.”
Ok – the Court confined itself to the question of whether the National Authority could oblige EVERYBODY to pay for their TV in several different ways but EXCLUDE payment in cash – the point was raised that:
“72 As regards the reasons of public interest relied on to justify the exclusion, under the legislation at issue in the main proceedings, of cash payments of the radio and television licence fee, it should be noted that Hessischer Rundfunk stated in its written observations that, given the fact that there are approximately 46 million licence fee payers in Germany, the obligation to pay the radio and television licence fee by cashless means of payment is intended to ensure the effective recovery of the licence fee and to avoid substantial additional costs”
But, further on made this point
“78 It follows from the foregoing that the answer to the second question is that the third sentence of Article 128(1) TFEU, the third sentence of the first paragraph of Article 16 of the Protocol on the ESCB and the ECB, and the second sentence of Article 10 of Regulation No 974/98 must be interpreted as not precluding national legislation which excludes the possibility of discharging a statutorily imposed payment obligation in banknotes denominated in euro, provided (i) that that legislation does not have the object or effect of establishing legal rules governing the status of legal tender of such banknotes; (ii) that it does not lead, in law or in fact, to abolition of those banknotes, in particular by calling into question the possibility, as a general rule, of discharging a payment obligation in cash; (iii) that it has been adopted for reasons of public interest; (iv) that the limitation on payments in cash which the legislation entails is appropriate for attaining the public interest objective pursued; and (v) that it does not go beyond what is necessary in order to achieve that objective, in that other lawful means of discharging the payment obligation are available”
In plain English – yep – to collect this fee, you CAN set up or require people to have Direct Debits or whatever but you CANNOT refuse the actual LEGAL TENDER of the EU – or make “Rules” in such a way;
“(ii) that it does not lead, in law or in fact, to abolition of those banknotes, in particular by calling into question the possibility, as a general rule, of discharging a payment obligation in cash;”
This is AFFIRMED in the final paragraph – that CASH is LEGAL TENDER – that while Public Authorities can have a system whereby those who can or want to can pay by electronic means they CANNOT refuse LEGAL TENDER OR MAKE RULES that exclude the possibility of paying with LEGAL TENDER – i.e., = CASH
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“The third sentence of Article 128(1) TFEU, the third sentence of the first paragraph of Article 16 of Protocol (No 4) on the Statute of the European System of Central Banks and of the European Central Bank, and the second sentence of Article 10 of Council Regulation (EC) No 974/98 of 3 May 1998 on the introduction of the euro must be interpreted as not precluding national legislation which excludes the possibility of discharging a statutorily imposed payment obligation in banknotes denominated in euro, provided
(i) that that legislation does not have the object or effect of establishing legal rules governing the status of legal tender of such banknotes;
(ii) that it does not lead, in law or in fact, to abolition of those banknotes, in particular by calling into question the possibility, as a general rule, of discharging a payment obligation in cash;
(iii) that it has been adopted for reasons of public interest; (iv) that the limitation on payments in cash which the legislation entails is appropriate for attaining the public interest objective pursued; and (v) that it does not go beyond what is necessary in order to achieve that objective, in that other lawful means of discharging the payment obligation are available”
Joined Cases C-422/19 and C-423/19, Johannes Dietrich (C-422/19), Norbert Häring (C-423/19)
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:62019CJ0422&from=EN
How does this help?
It establishes that CASH is LEGAL TENDER within the EU – but lets go back to the Preliminary Ruling of the Advocate General.
From the original PRELIMINARY Opinion of Advocate General’s Opinion in Joined Cases C-422/19 - Johannes Dietrich and C-423/19 Norbert Häring v Hessischer Rundfunk. The above is the Grand Chamber Judgement – which is narrower in focus and confines itself to addressing payments to Public Authorities.
“According to Advocate General Pitruzzella, EU law provides that creditors have an obligation in principle to accept cash in euros for the payment of monetary debts
The European Union and the Member States can, however, in exercising powers other than those relating to monetary policy, impose, under specific conditions, limits on the use of euro banknotes as a means of payment, in order to pursue public interest objectives”
“The Advocate General also notes that although the European Union does not provide for an absolute right to payment in cash in all cases, a direct link between the value of legal tender attributed to cash and the exercise of fundamental rights may exist in cases where there is a social inclusion element to the use of cash. The use of money other than in its physical form (namely, cash) currently requires the use of basic financial services, to which a not insignificant number of people do not yet have access. For those vulnerable individuals, cash is the only form of accessible money and thus the only means of exercising their fundamental rights linked to the use of money. Measures restricting the use of cash as a means of payment should, therefore, take into account the social inclusion element of cash as a means of payment for those vulnerable people and should ensure the effective existence of other lawful means for the settlement of monetary debts. The Advocate General considers that there is an obligation to take appropriate measures to enable vulnerable people who do not have access to basic financial services to discharge their obligations, particularly those of a public nature, without additional costs.”
AS you can see, Advocate General Pitruzzella took a broader view of the issue – in this Preliminary hearing he DID “open the door” so to speak to a means of addressing the wider issue of Rights with regard to being entitled to pay with cash as
(i) that that legislation does not have the object or effect of establishing legal rules governing the status of legal tender of such banknotes;
(ii) that it does not lead, in law or in fact, to abolition of those banknotes, in particular by calling into question the possibility, as a general rule, of discharging a payment obligation in cash;
(iii) that it has been adopted for reasons of public interest; (iv) that the limitation on payments in cash which the legislation entails is appropriate for attaining the public interest objective pursued; and (v) that it does not go beyond what is necessary in order to achieve that objective, in that other lawful means of discharging the payment obligation are available”
Joined Cases C-422/19 and C-423/19, Johannes Dietrich (C-422/19), Norbert Häring (C-423/19)
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:62019CJ0422&from=EN
How does this help?
It establishes that CASH is LEGAL TENDER within the EU – but lets go back to the Preliminary Ruling of the Advocate General.
From the original PRELIMINARY Opinion of Advocate General’s Opinion in Joined Cases C-422/19 - Johannes Dietrich and C-423/19 Norbert Häring v Hessischer Rundfunk. The above is the Grand Chamber Judgement – which is narrower in focus and confines itself to addressing payments to Public Authorities.
“According to Advocate General Pitruzzella, EU law provides that creditors have an obligation in principle to accept cash in euros for the payment of monetary debts
The European Union and the Member States can, however, in exercising powers other than those relating to monetary policy, impose, under specific conditions, limits on the use of euro banknotes as a means of payment, in order to pursue public interest objectives”
“The Advocate General also notes that although the European Union does not provide for an absolute right to payment in cash in all cases, a direct link between the value of legal tender attributed to cash and the exercise of fundamental rights may exist in cases where there is a social inclusion element to the use of cash. The use of money other than in its physical form (namely, cash) currently requires the use of basic financial services, to which a not insignificant number of people do not yet have access. For those vulnerable individuals, cash is the only form of accessible money and thus the only means of exercising their fundamental rights linked to the use of money. Measures restricting the use of cash as a means of payment should, therefore, take into account the social inclusion element of cash as a means of payment for those vulnerable people and should ensure the effective existence of other lawful means for the settlement of monetary debts. The Advocate General considers that there is an obligation to take appropriate measures to enable vulnerable people who do not have access to basic financial services to discharge their obligations, particularly those of a public nature, without additional costs.”
AS you can see, Advocate General Pitruzzella took a broader view of the issue – in this Preliminary hearing he DID “open the door” so to speak to a means of addressing the wider issue of Rights with regard to being entitled to pay with cash as
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“…….the only form of accessible money and thus the only means of exercising their fundamental rights linked to the use of money. Measures restricting the use of cash as a means of payment should, therefore, take into account the social inclusion element of cash as a means of payment for those vulnerable people and should ensure the effective existence of other lawful means for the settlement of monetary debts.”
It is unsurprising the Grand Chamber took a narrower view but, having said that it AFFIRMED that CASH is legal tender in the EU and that people are entitled to pay their debts/bills/creditors in CASH.
FINALLY, it helps because I have heard of people being told that “it’s the law” when refusing to accept cash for goods and services – actually NO it isn’t!
It would require ANOTHER Ruling from the ECJ to sort out the refusal of cash in places other than Public Authorities – who wants to go first?
And bear in mind the two German Lads started their EU case back in 2019 and this was after that they started and had been through their “domestic courts” and “exhausted all domestic remedies” starting in 2015
“Mr Dietrich and Mr Häring, who own dwellings within the geographical area covered by Hessischer Rundfunk, offered to pay the radio and television licence fee due pursuant to Paragraph 2(1) of the RBStV for the second quarter of 2015 and the first quarter of 2016, respectively, in cash”
Court of Justice of the European Union - PRESS RELEASE No 119/20 - Luxembourg, 29 September 2020
Advocate General’s Opinion in Joined Cases C-422/19 - Johannes Dietrich and C-423/19 Norbert Häring v Hessischer Rundfunk
https://norberthaering.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Advocate-General.pdf
It is unsurprising the Grand Chamber took a narrower view but, having said that it AFFIRMED that CASH is legal tender in the EU and that people are entitled to pay their debts/bills/creditors in CASH.
FINALLY, it helps because I have heard of people being told that “it’s the law” when refusing to accept cash for goods and services – actually NO it isn’t!
It would require ANOTHER Ruling from the ECJ to sort out the refusal of cash in places other than Public Authorities – who wants to go first?
And bear in mind the two German Lads started their EU case back in 2019 and this was after that they started and had been through their “domestic courts” and “exhausted all domestic remedies” starting in 2015
“Mr Dietrich and Mr Häring, who own dwellings within the geographical area covered by Hessischer Rundfunk, offered to pay the radio and television licence fee due pursuant to Paragraph 2(1) of the RBStV for the second quarter of 2015 and the first quarter of 2016, respectively, in cash”
Court of Justice of the European Union - PRESS RELEASE No 119/20 - Luxembourg, 29 September 2020
Advocate General’s Opinion in Joined Cases C-422/19 - Johannes Dietrich and C-423/19 Norbert Häring v Hessischer Rundfunk
https://norberthaering.de/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Advocate-General.pdf
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The 1922 Proclamation that was the call to arms for Irishmen to stand against the Treaty in defence of the Irish Republic.
"Rory handed me the printed proclamation which he had helped to write: ‘To the Citizens of Dublin’. It now adorned the dead wall spaces and the pillar boxes of the city. ‘The situation is well in hand,’ he said, and laughed. Then he quoted Macaulay:
And how can man die better than facing fearful odds For the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his gods?
He usually said those lines of Horatius when anything went wrong, in a bantering way, but often before he had finished the smile had gone. He sat there, his face becoming set as he finished. There was silence under the dome." (Singing Flame, Ernie O'Malley)
"Rory handed me the printed proclamation which he had helped to write: ‘To the Citizens of Dublin’. It now adorned the dead wall spaces and the pillar boxes of the city. ‘The situation is well in hand,’ he said, and laughed. Then he quoted Macaulay:
And how can man die better than facing fearful odds For the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his gods?
He usually said those lines of Horatius when anything went wrong, in a bantering way, but often before he had finished the smile had gone. He sat there, his face becoming set as he finished. There was silence under the dome." (Singing Flame, Ernie O'Malley)
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BEN SCALLAN: Ireland’s curriculum body advised teachers to hold classroom exercises dividing children along class & racial lines, based on questions about ones’ race, household income, whether they were sexually abused by a family member, & more.
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RT @243_cal: 91,100 non-nationals arrived in Ireland in 12 months to Apr 2022
Highest since 2007 EU expansion influx
That's more than 3 times the natural increase of 27,700 in same year
With "We just need to build more houses!" idiocy we're only bailing out a sinking ship
#IrelandisFull https://twitter.com/243_cal/status/1562860220727971840/photo/1
RT @243_cal: 91,100 non-nationals arrived in Ireland in 12 months to Apr 2022
Highest since 2007 EU expansion influx
That's more than 3 times the natural increase of 27,700 in same year
With "We just need to build more houses!" idiocy we're only bailing out a sinking ship
#IrelandisFull https://twitter.com/243_cal/status/1562860220727971840/photo/1
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United Nations plan for the 21st Century known as Agenda 21. It was agreed upon by 179 nations in 1992. The year Bill Clinton was elected office. It's a Toltalitarian state where everything is controlled. Even you.
The goal of Agenda 21 is a one world government. It's plan is to move people into large cities from rural areas. Everything you see happening right now is occurring to fulfill this plan. Everything from land, food material production, medicine, health care, depopulation are all part of the plan.
Please listen to this video and when a friend or family member ask why everything seems off balance and doesn't make sense, give this to them to help than understand. Sustainability sounds wonderful. But it has a very dark side. Video approximately 7 minutes.
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The goal of Agenda 21 is a one world government. It's plan is to move people into large cities from rural areas. Everything you see happening right now is occurring to fulfill this plan. Everything from land, food material production, medicine, health care, depopulation are all part of the plan.
Please listen to this video and when a friend or family member ask why everything seems off balance and doesn't make sense, give this to them to help than understand. Sustainability sounds wonderful. But it has a very dark side. Video approximately 7 minutes.
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Mysterious fiber clots are being found the dead, embalmers are reporting that they’re being found in 50% to 70% of the recently deceased 👀
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Government taxing inheritance especially on income/assets that had already paid taxes is double taxation and must be abolished. It’s simply theft by FF/FG to feed a money hungry state to satisfy over paid politicians and senior civil servants. They continually transfer our wealth into their pockets and the pockets of the super rich. We are a small island of 5 million people and the money they spend is beyond ridiculous. Hands off our children’s inheritance you greedy feckers, you’ve already stolen enough!
www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/young-people-warned-of-substantial-reduction-in-the-amount-of-money-parents-can-leave-to-their-children-tax-free-41980900.html
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JP: I had spent an hour in the bank with my dad, as he had to transfer some money. I couldn't resist myself & asked...
''Dad, why don't we activate your internet banking?''
''Why would I do that?'' He asked...
''Well, then you wont have to spend an hour here for things like transfer.
You can even do your shopping online. Everything will be so easy!''
I was so excited about initiating him into the world of Net banking.
He asked ''If I do that, I wont have to step out of the house?
''Yes, yes''! I said. I told him how even grocery can be delivered at door now and how amazon delivers everything!
His answer left me tongue-tied.
He said ''Since I entered this bank today, I have met four of my friends, I have chatted a while with the staff who know me very well by now.
You know I am alone...this is the company that I need. I like to get ready and come to the bank. I have enough time, it is the physical touch that I crave.
Two years back I got sick, The store owner from whom I buy fruits, came to see me and sat by my bedside and cried.
When your Mom fell down few days back while on her morning walk. Our local grocer saw her and immediately got his car to rush her home as he knows where I live.
Would I have that 'human' touch if everything became online?
Why would I want everything delivered to me and force me to interact with just my computer?
I like to know the person that I'm dealing with and not just the 'seller'. It creates bonds of Relationships.
Does Amazon deliver all this as well?'''
Technology isn't life..
Spend time with people .. Not with devices.
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''Dad, why don't we activate your internet banking?''
''Why would I do that?'' He asked...
''Well, then you wont have to spend an hour here for things like transfer.
You can even do your shopping online. Everything will be so easy!''
I was so excited about initiating him into the world of Net banking.
He asked ''If I do that, I wont have to step out of the house?
''Yes, yes''! I said. I told him how even grocery can be delivered at door now and how amazon delivers everything!
His answer left me tongue-tied.
He said ''Since I entered this bank today, I have met four of my friends, I have chatted a while with the staff who know me very well by now.
You know I am alone...this is the company that I need. I like to get ready and come to the bank. I have enough time, it is the physical touch that I crave.
Two years back I got sick, The store owner from whom I buy fruits, came to see me and sat by my bedside and cried.
When your Mom fell down few days back while on her morning walk. Our local grocer saw her and immediately got his car to rush her home as he knows where I live.
Would I have that 'human' touch if everything became online?
Why would I want everything delivered to me and force me to interact with just my computer?
I like to know the person that I'm dealing with and not just the 'seller'. It creates bonds of Relationships.
Does Amazon deliver all this as well?'''
Technology isn't life..
Spend time with people .. Not with devices.
Writer: Unknown
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King Charles III Vows To Usher In ‘Great Reset’ Following Queen Elizabeth’s Death
The Queen has been taken off the world stage and everyone who’s well educated on the New World Order knows this is the end of an era and the beginning of a new one. Things are about to get very crazy very quick.
Queen Elizabeth’s corpse is still warm and her son and successor, the man formerly known as Prince Charles, has already vowed to usher in the “Great Reset” in line with the World Economic Forum’s evil agenda.
According to Charles, we need a “vast military style campaign” to usher in the agenda of the WEF.
This should not come as a surprise because Charles is a direct descendant of Dracula who has been working towards the implementation of the globalist agenda his entire life. According to NPR, Prince Charles said during a 2011 interview, “Transylvania is in my blood. The genealogy shows that I’m descended from Vlad the Impaler, you see.”
The Queen has been taken off the world stage and everyone who’s well educated on the New World Order knows this is the end of an era and the beginning of a new one. Things are about to get very crazy very quick.
Queen Elizabeth’s corpse is still warm and her son and successor, the man formerly known as Prince Charles, has already vowed to usher in the “Great Reset” in line with the World Economic Forum’s evil agenda.
According to Charles, we need a “vast military style campaign” to usher in the agenda of the WEF.
This should not come as a surprise because Charles is a direct descendant of Dracula who has been working towards the implementation of the globalist agenda his entire life. According to NPR, Prince Charles said during a 2011 interview, “Transylvania is in my blood. The genealogy shows that I’m descended from Vlad the Impaler, you see.”
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STINKS — Dept of Finance conveniently “lost” IBRC (Anglo) board papers covering the period of the sale of the Irish Water meter installer company named Siteserv to Denis O’Brien.
The report said it was a “significant concern the Dept should “lose” or “misplace” board papers of an institution in which the State had invested over €34 billion”.
If ever there was a suspicion of criminal conspiracy of government corruption to investigate — this is it. Why aren’t the Garda Criminal Assets Bureau doing it?
www.businesspost.ie/news/siteserv-report-finds-e8-7m-lost-at-taxpayers-expense-due-to-sale-of-company/
The report said it was a “significant concern the Dept should “lose” or “misplace” board papers of an institution in which the State had invested over €34 billion”.
If ever there was a suspicion of criminal conspiracy of government corruption to investigate — this is it. Why aren’t the Garda Criminal Assets Bureau doing it?
www.businesspost.ie/news/siteserv-report-finds-e8-7m-lost-at-taxpayers-expense-due-to-sale-of-company/
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Meanwhile in Ireland, 719,000 people visited A&E Between Jan and June 2022 compared to what was 115,000 on the previous year.
"The new normal".
"The new normal".