Reported by the Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation
On June 4, during the retreat from the city of Svyatogorsk of the Donetsk People's Republic of the units of the 79th Airborne Assault Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Ukrainian nationalists set fire to the wooden monastery of All Saints of the Land of the Russian Holy Dormition Svyatogorsk Lavra.
According to information from local residents, a burst of incendiary ammunition from a large-caliber machine gun mounted on a Ukrainian Kozak armored car was fired at the wooden walls of the domed space of the structure.
After the arson, the Ukrainian nationalists left at high speed in a southerly direction, towards the settlement of Sidorovo controlled by Ukrainian troops.
The units of the Russian Armed Forces located to the north of Svyatogorsk are not conducting combat operations in this area and are not shelling the territory of the Svyatogorsk Historical and Architectural Reserve.
On June 4, during the retreat from the city of Svyatogorsk of the Donetsk People's Republic of the units of the 79th Airborne Assault Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Ukrainian nationalists set fire to the wooden monastery of All Saints of the Land of the Russian Holy Dormition Svyatogorsk Lavra.
According to information from local residents, a burst of incendiary ammunition from a large-caliber machine gun mounted on a Ukrainian Kozak armored car was fired at the wooden walls of the domed space of the structure.
After the arson, the Ukrainian nationalists left at high speed in a southerly direction, towards the settlement of Sidorovo controlled by Ukrainian troops.
The units of the Russian Armed Forces located to the north of Svyatogorsk are not conducting combat operations in this area and are not shelling the territory of the Svyatogorsk Historical and Architectural Reserve.
NATO support is unlikely to prevent a Russian victory... A successful NATO intervention in Ukraine is a military impossibility. War would result in catastrophic damage to NATO infrastructure across Europe and the deaths of thousands of allied soldiers. Washington would quickly be faced with the temptation to use nuclear weapons to restore the situation in its favor.
Although this reading of the military situation may seem apocalyptic, it is supported by the facts on the ground. The balance of forces in Eastern Europe overwhelmingly favors the Kremlin, despite months of fighting in Ukraine. https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2022/06/how_would_nato_fare_on_the_battlefield_with_russia.html
Although this reading of the military situation may seem apocalyptic, it is supported by the facts on the ground. The balance of forces in Eastern Europe overwhelmingly favors the Kremlin, despite months of fighting in Ukraine. https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2022/06/how_would_nato_fare_on_the_battlefield_with_russia.html
American Thinker
How Would NATO Fare on the Battlefield with Russia?
On February 24, President Vladimir Putin of Russia ordered an invasion of Ukraine. Russian forces attacked on multiple fronts, only to meet fierce resistance. In response, the Russian Army has shifted gears. It is now...
General Stephen M. Twitty, Former Deputy Commander of United States European Command (2018–2020) (part 1): I think the war in the Donbas is starting to turn to the Russians’ favor, and when you take a look at—and I’m particularly talking about the eastern part of the Donbas—the Russians have transitioned from trying to pour all their combat power into the Donbas to obliterating every single town. Whether it be Rubizhne, Lyman, they’re working now on Sievierodonetsk and Lysychansk as well, they’re obliterating these particular towns, and that’s how they’re making their headway. They’re not putting a bunch of combat power with infantry forces and tanks in there. They’ve taken all their artillery and they’re treating it like Mariupol and that’s how they’re making their headway. So they’re starting to make some headway in the eastern Donbas and so we have to watch that one closely... Secretary Austin came out that we’re going to weaken Russia. We have not really defined what weaken means, because if you take a look at the Ukrainians right now, I take a strong belief in Colin Powell’s doctrine—you overwhelm a particular enemy with force. And right now, when you take a look at Ukraine and you take a look at Russia, they’re about one to one. The only difference is Russia has a heck of a lot of combat power than the Ukrainians.
And so there’s no way that the Ukrainians will ever destroy or defeat the Russians, and so we got to really figure out what does weaken mean in the end state here. And I will also tell you... there’s no way that the Ukrainians will ever have enough combat power to kick the Russians out of Ukraine as well, and so what does that look like in the end game... https://www.cfr.org/event/russias-war-ukraine-how-does-it-end
And so there’s no way that the Ukrainians will ever destroy or defeat the Russians, and so we got to really figure out what does weaken mean in the end state here. And I will also tell you... there’s no way that the Ukrainians will ever have enough combat power to kick the Russians out of Ukraine as well, and so what does that look like in the end game... https://www.cfr.org/event/russias-war-ukraine-how-does-it-end
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General Stephen M. Twitty, Former Deputy Commander of United States European Command (2018–2020) (part 2): I learned from the National War College there’s something called ends, ways, and means.
So if that’s your end state—pre-2014—then I’m interested to hear the ways and the means because, from a military standpoint, if that’s the way then the means would be the Ukrainians lack, again, the ability to pull that off to pre-2014. They just lack that ability. They don’t have the combat power.
And I also want to remind you we hear a lot about Russian casualties and Russian losses. We hear very little about Ukrainian losses, and keep in mind they’re losing soldiers throughout this war as well. They started at approximately two hundred thousand. Who knows where they are today?
And so it’s hard to recruit and maintain that level of professionalism in that military. So that’s my first point. The end, ways, and means, they lack that, to be able to go back to the pre-2014.
The second point that I would make is, you know, as you look at the DIME—diplomatic, informational, military, and economic—we’re woefully lacking on the diplomatic piece of this. If you notice, there’s no diplomacy going on at all to trying to get to some type of negotiations. And I don’t think that we can lead that, given where Putin thinks about us.
But if you sit back and think about those that could possibly be a part of this negotiation team, you know, you have the—two of them are in—that I’m going to list are in NATO. One is President Orbán out of Hungary. Perhaps he can help out in the negotiation effort. The other one is President Erdoğan of Turkey. Longtime friends of President Putin, although some view that relationship as transactional. I don’t know. Let’s put it to the test and see.
Don’t forget about China as well. You know, we have a tendency not to put China in this because we view them as a(n) adversary. But President Jinping has a relationship, obviously, and then don’t forget about India with President Kovind as well. And so I think we need to put more pressure on the diplomatic end of this and see if we can come to some type of resolution diplomatically.
And then the last thing I would say... We cannot call the terms on the end game here because here’s something we haven’t seen yet and it’s coming, believe me, as an—an insurgency that is going to brew out of this fight. And regardless of whether we bring the Russians and the Ukrainians to the table at this point—let’s just say tomorrow—you have a lot of angry Ukrainians out there.
They lost their homes. They lost their families. They’ve lost everything. And so there’s going to be insurgency that comes out of this thing whether a settlement happens or not that will keep this war going for some time, in my view. That’s all I have there. https://www.cfr.org/event/russias-war-ukraine-how-does-it-end
So if that’s your end state—pre-2014—then I’m interested to hear the ways and the means because, from a military standpoint, if that’s the way then the means would be the Ukrainians lack, again, the ability to pull that off to pre-2014. They just lack that ability. They don’t have the combat power.
And I also want to remind you we hear a lot about Russian casualties and Russian losses. We hear very little about Ukrainian losses, and keep in mind they’re losing soldiers throughout this war as well. They started at approximately two hundred thousand. Who knows where they are today?
And so it’s hard to recruit and maintain that level of professionalism in that military. So that’s my first point. The end, ways, and means, they lack that, to be able to go back to the pre-2014.
The second point that I would make is, you know, as you look at the DIME—diplomatic, informational, military, and economic—we’re woefully lacking on the diplomatic piece of this. If you notice, there’s no diplomacy going on at all to trying to get to some type of negotiations. And I don’t think that we can lead that, given where Putin thinks about us.
But if you sit back and think about those that could possibly be a part of this negotiation team, you know, you have the—two of them are in—that I’m going to list are in NATO. One is President Orbán out of Hungary. Perhaps he can help out in the negotiation effort. The other one is President Erdoğan of Turkey. Longtime friends of President Putin, although some view that relationship as transactional. I don’t know. Let’s put it to the test and see.
Don’t forget about China as well. You know, we have a tendency not to put China in this because we view them as a(n) adversary. But President Jinping has a relationship, obviously, and then don’t forget about India with President Kovind as well. And so I think we need to put more pressure on the diplomatic end of this and see if we can come to some type of resolution diplomatically.
And then the last thing I would say... We cannot call the terms on the end game here because here’s something we haven’t seen yet and it’s coming, believe me, as an—an insurgency that is going to brew out of this fight. And regardless of whether we bring the Russians and the Ukrainians to the table at this point—let’s just say tomorrow—you have a lot of angry Ukrainians out there.
They lost their homes. They lost their families. They’ve lost everything. And so there’s going to be insurgency that comes out of this thing whether a settlement happens or not that will keep this war going for some time, in my view. That’s all I have there. https://www.cfr.org/event/russias-war-ukraine-how-does-it-end
Council on Foreign Relations
Russia's War in Ukraine: How Does it End?
Our panelists discussed the current situation in and regarding Ukraine, the goals of NATO, Russia, and Ukraine, and alternative futures.
Following our subscriber's research, here is a link to Stephen Kotkin interview with Peter Robinson at "Uncommon Knowledge". Stephen Kotkin is a professor of history at Princeton and a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University. It was recorded a while ago, on January 14, 2022, so is not covering the recent development. However, it shows some of the ideas in the developing. I, personally, liked most the passage from Peter Robinson: "Putin is not a communist. He's a Russian, he stands in a tradition of 1,000 years of trying to assert dominance over that huge Eurasian mass. So why don't we let him have it? What is our interest in the Donbas region of Ukraine? Why should we even have been concerned when he recaptured, annexed, I think is the technical term, when he annexed Crimea, Sevastopol, the Russian port on the Black Sea was, I looked it up the other day, it was established in 1783 by Catherine The Great, it's a Russian holding. Let him expand because that's all he's interested in. He just wants to be Russian and we can live with that." https://www.hoover.org/research/5-questions-stephen-kotkin-1
Hoover Institution
5 Questions For Stephen Kotkin
The premise of this show is simple: Peter Robinson poses five questions to Dr. Kotkin: what Xi Jinping, the president of China believes; what Vladimir Putin believes; whether nuclear weapons are a deterrent in the 21st century; the chances of another American…
Definition of war by Prof. S. Kotkin: "War is not I shoot artillery, you shoot artillery. I shoot a missile, you shoot a missile, right? War is about doing things like making cities unlivable, and forcing millions of refugees to flee. It's about shutting down communication systems, transportation systems, right? It's about shutting the lights off and shutting the power off, blowing things up and saying, I didn't do that. It's about decapitating the leadership, war is about eliminating the other society's ability to function, not just the battlefield, it's the society that's the aim. And so in a war game, you don't invade, you turn a country off, you make a country unlivable." That is why what is happening in Ukraine is NOT a war. It is a military operation.
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However, there is always a risk and an opportunity for escalation. In his recent interview Putin noted that the supply of American MLRS to Kyiv is connected with replenishing the losses of Ukrainian military equipment. At the same time, the Russian side has an understanding that it is planned to supply missiles with a range of 45-70 kilometers.
“Yes, but if they are and will be supplied (longer range missiles), we will draw appropriate conclusions from this and use our weapons, which we have enough to strike at those objects that we have not yet struck,” Putin said.
Earlier, the United States announced the agreement on the supply of HIMARS multiple launch rocket systems to Ukraine, provided that they will not be used to strike at the territory of the Russian Federation.
“Yes, but if they are and will be supplied (longer range missiles), we will draw appropriate conclusions from this and use our weapons, which we have enough to strike at those objects that we have not yet struck,” Putin said.
Earlier, the United States announced the agreement on the supply of HIMARS multiple launch rocket systems to Ukraine, provided that they will not be used to strike at the territory of the Russian Federation.
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Москва. Кремль. Путин. Путин прокомментировал поставки западного оружия Киеву
Владимир Путин дал первое интервью с момента начала специальной военной операции по защите Донбасса. Это произошло в Сочи во время официальных мероприятий с участием президента РФ.
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⚡️Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry
▫️The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.
💥High-precision, long-range air-based missiles of the Russian Aerospace Forces have destroyed T-72 tanks and other armoured vehicles supplied by Eastern European countries and housed in the buildings of a car repair facility on the outskirts of Kiev.
💥High-precision air-based missiles in Kramatorsk, Druzhkovka and Chasov Yar (Donetsk People's Republic) have destroyed the factory shops where military equipment damaged during the hostilities was being repaired and restored for the Ukrainian armed forces.
▫️In addition, the command posts of the 81st and 95th Airborne Assault Brigades of the AFU, as well as 6 areas of Ukrainian manpower and military equipment concentration have been hit during the day.
▫️The attacks have resulted in the destruction of 2 Osa-AKM anti-aircraft missile launchers near Cherkasskoe (Donetsk People's Republic) and Orekhov (Zaporozhye Region), 2 multiple-launch rocket launchers near Korotych (Kharkov Region), 3 missile and artillery weapon depots near Mayaki and Slavyansk (Donetsk People's Republic), and 1 US-made counter-battery radar (AN/TPQ-50) near Seversk (Donetsk People's Republic).
Operational-tactical and army aviation have hit 3 command posts, 65 areas of manpower and military equipment concentration, and 3 ammunition depots.
▫️The attacks have resulted in the elimination of more than 350 nationalists, 10 tanks armoured and motor vehicles, 2 Grad multiple rocket launchers, 9 artillery pieces, 14 special vehicles, as well as tanks with fuel, near Konstantinovka railway station, destined for a group of AFU troops in Donbass and 2 ammunition depots near Bakhmut (Donetsk People's Republic) and Loskutovka (Lugansk People's Republic).
💥1 MiG-29 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force has been shot down during an aerial battle near Slavyansk (Donetsk People's Republic).
💥Russian air defence means near Odessa have shot down 1 An-26 military transport aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force carrying weapons and military equipment.
Also during the day, 10 unmanned aerial vehicles have been shot down near Vidrodzhennya, Ryasnoe, Svyatogorsk (Donetsk People's Republic), Kirovsk, Prudovka, Borovenki, Varvarovka (Lugansk People's Republic), Volchiy Yar, Bolshie Prokhody (Kharkov Region), Zazornoe (Zaporizhzhya Region), including 1 Bayraktar TV2 near Berezovka (Kharkov Region).
▫️In addition, 2 Tochka-U tactical missiles have been intercepted over Novogeorgievka (Nikolaev Region), and 3 Ukrainian Uragan multiple rocket launchers have been shot down near Sukhaya Kamenka, Dolgenkoe and Kamenka (Kharkov Region).
💥Missile troops and artillery have hit 46 command posts, 123 artillery and mortar units at firing positions, as well as 498 areas of AFU manpower and military equipment concentration.
📊In total, 189 Ukrainian aircraft and 129 helicopters, 1,114 unmanned aerial vehicles, 330 anti-aircraft missile systems, 3,416 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 470 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,778 field artillery and mortars, as well as 3,419 units of special military vehicles were destroyed during the operation.
#MoD #Russia #Ukraine #Briefing
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▫️The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.
💥High-precision, long-range air-based missiles of the Russian Aerospace Forces have destroyed T-72 tanks and other armoured vehicles supplied by Eastern European countries and housed in the buildings of a car repair facility on the outskirts of Kiev.
💥High-precision air-based missiles in Kramatorsk, Druzhkovka and Chasov Yar (Donetsk People's Republic) have destroyed the factory shops where military equipment damaged during the hostilities was being repaired and restored for the Ukrainian armed forces.
▫️In addition, the command posts of the 81st and 95th Airborne Assault Brigades of the AFU, as well as 6 areas of Ukrainian manpower and military equipment concentration have been hit during the day.
▫️The attacks have resulted in the destruction of 2 Osa-AKM anti-aircraft missile launchers near Cherkasskoe (Donetsk People's Republic) and Orekhov (Zaporozhye Region), 2 multiple-launch rocket launchers near Korotych (Kharkov Region), 3 missile and artillery weapon depots near Mayaki and Slavyansk (Donetsk People's Republic), and 1 US-made counter-battery radar (AN/TPQ-50) near Seversk (Donetsk People's Republic).
Operational-tactical and army aviation have hit 3 command posts, 65 areas of manpower and military equipment concentration, and 3 ammunition depots.
▫️The attacks have resulted in the elimination of more than 350 nationalists, 10 tanks armoured and motor vehicles, 2 Grad multiple rocket launchers, 9 artillery pieces, 14 special vehicles, as well as tanks with fuel, near Konstantinovka railway station, destined for a group of AFU troops in Donbass and 2 ammunition depots near Bakhmut (Donetsk People's Republic) and Loskutovka (Lugansk People's Republic).
💥1 MiG-29 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force has been shot down during an aerial battle near Slavyansk (Donetsk People's Republic).
💥Russian air defence means near Odessa have shot down 1 An-26 military transport aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force carrying weapons and military equipment.
Also during the day, 10 unmanned aerial vehicles have been shot down near Vidrodzhennya, Ryasnoe, Svyatogorsk (Donetsk People's Republic), Kirovsk, Prudovka, Borovenki, Varvarovka (Lugansk People's Republic), Volchiy Yar, Bolshie Prokhody (Kharkov Region), Zazornoe (Zaporizhzhya Region), including 1 Bayraktar TV2 near Berezovka (Kharkov Region).
▫️In addition, 2 Tochka-U tactical missiles have been intercepted over Novogeorgievka (Nikolaev Region), and 3 Ukrainian Uragan multiple rocket launchers have been shot down near Sukhaya Kamenka, Dolgenkoe and Kamenka (Kharkov Region).
💥Missile troops and artillery have hit 46 command posts, 123 artillery and mortar units at firing positions, as well as 498 areas of AFU manpower and military equipment concentration.
📊In total, 189 Ukrainian aircraft and 129 helicopters, 1,114 unmanned aerial vehicles, 330 anti-aircraft missile systems, 3,416 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 470 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,778 field artillery and mortars, as well as 3,419 units of special military vehicles were destroyed during the operation.
#MoD #Russia #Ukraine #Briefing
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Ukrainian UAV is hit by an antiaircraft missile - first person view perspective.🧐
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⚡️A few minutes ago, the Armed Forces of Ukraine launched a massive artillery strike on the center of Donetsk
40 rockets from BM-21 Grad were fired in the center of Donetsk.
⚡️Несколько минут назад ВСУ нанесли массированный артиллерийский удар по центру Донецка
По центру донецка выпущено 40 ракет из БМ-21 «Град».
40 rockets from BM-21 Grad were fired in the center of Donetsk.
⚡️Несколько минут назад ВСУ нанесли массированный артиллерийский удар по центру Донецка
По центру донецка выпущено 40 ракет из БМ-21 «Град».
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"Solntzepek" (Sun heat) systems in action somewhere in Kherson area.🔆
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Videos of alleged missile hits at the storage sites of T-72 tanks near Kiev are published in social networks.
The author of the shooting speaks of at least four rocket arrivals.
Experts believe that on the basis of the Darnitsky car repair plant in the eastern part of Kiev, they could not only store T-72 tanks transferred by Poland, but also install dynamic protection on them, which was initially absent.
The author of the shooting speaks of at least four rocket arrivals.
Experts believe that on the basis of the Darnitsky car repair plant in the eastern part of Kiev, they could not only store T-72 tanks transferred by Poland, but also install dynamic protection on them, which was initially absent.
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Barrage ammunition of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation is hitting the objects of the military infrastructure of Ukraine.
Video of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and @rt_russian
Video of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and @rt_russian
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Operation Libiration
‘They [Ukrainian army] are fascists; there’s nothing else to say. There is no Ukraine there... We weren’t the ones who came to them; they’ve come to us,’ a DNR militiaman, codename ‘Yakut’, told our camera crew in 2014.
After south-eastern Ukraine did not support the coup in Kiev, the new government started shelling civilians. According to the UN, more than 6,000 people died in the first year of the standoff.
Moreover, all the while, the Ukrainian military was preparing for an offensive in Donbass. By the end of 2021, a grouping of 150,000 people was concentrated on the region’s borders.
Russia could not allow further bloodshed and decided to support the Donbass. For a chronology of events, see the premiere of Operation Liberation.
#premiere #Donbass
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‘They [Ukrainian army] are fascists; there’s nothing else to say. There is no Ukraine there... We weren’t the ones who came to them; they’ve come to us,’ a DNR militiaman, codename ‘Yakut’, told our camera crew in 2014.
After south-eastern Ukraine did not support the coup in Kiev, the new government started shelling civilians. According to the UN, more than 6,000 people died in the first year of the standoff.
Moreover, all the while, the Ukrainian military was preparing for an offensive in Donbass. By the end of 2021, a grouping of 150,000 people was concentrated on the region’s borders.
Russia could not allow further bloodshed and decided to support the Donbass. For a chronology of events, see the premiere of Operation Liberation.
#premiere #Donbass
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We are not impartial, but we are passionate about what we believe is true. We do war-time propaganda here. Yes, we would like more people to understand and share our views. However, we realise that it is impossible because of the different life and educational experience, which matters much more than anything you may find here or anywhere, as long as the neural network in your brain has reached maturity.
We respect your right to think differently. If you would have known what we know, you would be thinking like we do. But you don't. And it is not your fault, but it is our opportunity.
Propaganda in itself is not good nor evil. It is a method, it is a weapon. Honest propaganda does not hide, that it is propaganda. You may watch and listen and decide for yourself. Do not let the "nanny state" to limit your access to the information, any information. We believe that you can make sense out of it all.
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DNR artillery continues to destroy the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Maryinka. Artillery fire is traditionally corrected with "useless", "meaningless" and "ridiculous" quadcopters operated by "non-professionals".
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War in Ukraine: Why the Ukrainian Armed Forces Do Not Want to Withdraw from Donbass. Made by famous Ukrainian analyst Yuri Podolyaka.
The British and Americans, in suggesting that the UAF withdraw from Donbass and thus save themselves for future fighting, do not understand one important circumstance. They do not understand that the UAF is able to hold out as long as they are covered by civilians.
And if they do not feel sorry for the inhabitants of Donbass, they may have problems with the other population of Ukraine. Because it is one thing to hide behind those whom you already in your heart consider to be outsiders, and quite another thing to hide behind your own...
The British and Americans, in suggesting that the UAF withdraw from Donbass and thus save themselves for future fighting, do not understand one important circumstance. They do not understand that the UAF is able to hold out as long as they are covered by civilians.
And if they do not feel sorry for the inhabitants of Donbass, they may have problems with the other population of Ukraine. Because it is one thing to hide behind those whom you already in your heart consider to be outsiders, and quite another thing to hide behind your own...
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