<b>Estimating what building a 1-10 MW Solar Park on Mars would involve.</b>
IntroductionI thought it'd be interesting to get an estimate of what kind of challenge would be involved in developing, delivering and deploying a solar park at 45 N on Mars, which would generate the kind of power suggested by Elon Musk in the recent tweet.I will attempt to stick to real world products or which can be readily engineered (no breakthroughs required) and I will attempt to err on the side of being conservative.It should go without saying that this is entirely hypothetical and SpaceX might do something almost completely different. I hope only for a result that is in the right ballpark in terms of payload and deployment time. Like it's helpful to get an idea of what we are looking at: Multiple Starships crammed full of solar panels? Or a small fraction of the payload capacity of a single Starship?TL;DRPayload mass: 11 tPayload volume: 225 m3Deployment time: 2-3 weeks for 4 astronauts.The RequirementsFor the 10 MW nominal capacity I am assuming "A solar park that would be labelled as 10 MW if it were on Earth", the nominal capacity of a solar panel and generally the generation capacity of a solar power plant is referenced to 1000 W of sunlight on Earth and disregards any pesky reality like night time or clouds, this way of rating a solar powerplant is often complained about but it is both convenient and conventional.The general consensus on <a href="/r/spacex">/r/spacex</a> is that a propellant plant for refueling one Starship per synod (and providing life support for humans on the side) would consume on average 1 MW, it so happens that 10 MW nominal capacity is roughly the same as 1 MW real world generation on Mars: sunlight on Mars is about 50% as intense as at the surface of Earth, 50% of the time it is dark, 30% of the power during the day is lost due to sub-optimal sun angle, 20% is lost due to latitude and seasons, 25% is lost to dust in the sky and dust on the panels. The product of these factors is around 0.1. FWIW for single-axis tracking solar panels it's about 0.135 and for dual-axis tracking about 0.145, but for this analysis I assume fixed-tilt.So in summary, this solar park is 10 MW nominal, 1 MW actual average generation.Why fixed tiltJust rolling the solar panels out on the ground is tempting, as it allows using large rolls of flexible solar panel.The reason I'm not assuming horizontal panels is primarily one of latitude: The planned latitude for the base appears to be around 45 N. And Mars has an axial tilt of 25 degrees - which is almost the same as Earth's. If you live at around 45 N (or 45 S) on Earth you'll have a pretty good idea of how low in the sky the sun is during winter, in fact the sun will rise just around 20 degrees above the horizon. A fixed tilt panel at least doubles generation during winter and also increases it throughout the rest of the year. The exact tilt to use, assuming it is non-adjustable, can be optimized to maximize power generation over a year (essentially maximizing the generation from long summer days), or to maximize winter generation, or a compromise. A tilt which is equal to the latitude (i.e. 45 degrees) tends to be a reasonable compromise.Fixed tilt also ought to reduce dust accumulation, some dust will stick due to electrostatic forces but it does stand to reason that a tilted panel will accumulate less dust than a horizontal panel and be easier for the wind to clean.Furthermore, according to my analysis going with fixed tilt does not incur a large mass penalty compared with flat panels and the deployment time is longer but still reasonable.Single or dual axis tracking is outside the scope of this analysis, I don't believe the mass penalty for single-axis tracking would be prohibitive, but it is another point of failure and complexity and the efficiency improvement isn't as great as the difference between horizontal and fixed tilt.The Solar PanelsThe solar panels will almost certainly be custom…
IntroductionI thought it'd be interesting to get an estimate of what kind of challenge would be involved in developing, delivering and deploying a solar park at 45 N on Mars, which would generate the kind of power suggested by Elon Musk in the recent tweet.I will attempt to stick to real world products or which can be readily engineered (no breakthroughs required) and I will attempt to err on the side of being conservative.It should go without saying that this is entirely hypothetical and SpaceX might do something almost completely different. I hope only for a result that is in the right ballpark in terms of payload and deployment time. Like it's helpful to get an idea of what we are looking at: Multiple Starships crammed full of solar panels? Or a small fraction of the payload capacity of a single Starship?TL;DRPayload mass: 11 tPayload volume: 225 m3Deployment time: 2-3 weeks for 4 astronauts.The RequirementsFor the 10 MW nominal capacity I am assuming "A solar park that would be labelled as 10 MW if it were on Earth", the nominal capacity of a solar panel and generally the generation capacity of a solar power plant is referenced to 1000 W of sunlight on Earth and disregards any pesky reality like night time or clouds, this way of rating a solar powerplant is often complained about but it is both convenient and conventional.The general consensus on <a href="/r/spacex">/r/spacex</a> is that a propellant plant for refueling one Starship per synod (and providing life support for humans on the side) would consume on average 1 MW, it so happens that 10 MW nominal capacity is roughly the same as 1 MW real world generation on Mars: sunlight on Mars is about 50% as intense as at the surface of Earth, 50% of the time it is dark, 30% of the power during the day is lost due to sub-optimal sun angle, 20% is lost due to latitude and seasons, 25% is lost to dust in the sky and dust on the panels. The product of these factors is around 0.1. FWIW for single-axis tracking solar panels it's about 0.135 and for dual-axis tracking about 0.145, but for this analysis I assume fixed-tilt.So in summary, this solar park is 10 MW nominal, 1 MW actual average generation.Why fixed tiltJust rolling the solar panels out on the ground is tempting, as it allows using large rolls of flexible solar panel.The reason I'm not assuming horizontal panels is primarily one of latitude: The planned latitude for the base appears to be around 45 N. And Mars has an axial tilt of 25 degrees - which is almost the same as Earth's. If you live at around 45 N (or 45 S) on Earth you'll have a pretty good idea of how low in the sky the sun is during winter, in fact the sun will rise just around 20 degrees above the horizon. A fixed tilt panel at least doubles generation during winter and also increases it throughout the rest of the year. The exact tilt to use, assuming it is non-adjustable, can be optimized to maximize power generation over a year (essentially maximizing the generation from long summer days), or to maximize winter generation, or a compromise. A tilt which is equal to the latitude (i.e. 45 degrees) tends to be a reasonable compromise.Fixed tilt also ought to reduce dust accumulation, some dust will stick due to electrostatic forces but it does stand to reason that a tilted panel will accumulate less dust than a horizontal panel and be easier for the wind to clean.Furthermore, according to my analysis going with fixed tilt does not incur a large mass penalty compared with flat panels and the deployment time is longer but still reasonable.Single or dual axis tracking is outside the scope of this analysis, I don't believe the mass penalty for single-axis tracking would be prohibitive, but it is another point of failure and complexity and the efficiency improvement isn't as great as the difference between horizontal and fixed tilt.The Solar PanelsThe solar panels will almost certainly be custom…
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Starship-based Mars Direct 2.0 by Zubrin presented at IAC2019 (video)
Dr Robert Zubrin gave a presentation on Mars Direct 2.0 using Starship at the IAC2019 which drew a packed room. It was recorded for those unable to attend and is now available: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5k7-Y4nZlQ Each speaker was alloted 13 + 2 minutes for questions, but the chairs allowed extra time due to a couple of no-shows.In short, he proposes developing a 10-20t mini-Starship for [initial] flights to Moon/Mars due to the reduced ISRU requirements. He also keeps firm on his belief that using Starship to throw said mini-Starship on TMI is beneficial as the full Starship can remain useful for a greater period of time, which might especially make sense if you have few Starships (which you would in the very beginning, at least). He also, correctly IMO, proposes NASA (ie. rest of industry), start developing the other pieces needed for the architecture and bases, specifically mentioning a heavy lift lander.
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Dr Robert Zubrin gave a presentation on Mars Direct 2.0 using Starship at the IAC2019 which drew a packed room. It was recorded for those unable to attend and is now available: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5k7-Y4nZlQ Each speaker was alloted 13 + 2 minutes for questions, but the chairs allowed extra time due to a couple of no-shows.In short, he proposes developing a 10-20t mini-Starship for [initial] flights to Moon/Mars due to the reduced ISRU requirements. He also keeps firm on his belief that using Starship to throw said mini-Starship on TMI is beneficial as the full Starship can remain useful for a greater period of time, which might especially make sense if you have few Starships (which you would in the very beginning, at least). He also, correctly IMO, proposes NASA (ie. rest of industry), start developing the other pieces needed for the architecture and bases, specifically mentioning a heavy lift lander.
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Mars Direct 2.0 - Dr. Robert Zubrin - IAC 2019
Dr. Robert Zubrin presents a new version of his famed Mars Direct plan using SpaceX's upcoming Starship and Super Heavy.
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Live feed of Starship being rolled out to the launch pad.
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SpaceX’s Starship Mk1 prototype heads to the launch pad – but why?
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SpaceX’s Starship Mk1 prototype heads to the launch pad – but why?
SpaceX has transported (half of) its Starship Mk1 prototype to its South Texas launch pad for the first time ever, signifying that the company is about to enter a major new stage of testing. The move, however, raises the question: why is SpaceX transporting…
SpaceX Monthly Recap | Possible DM-2 extension, Starship rollout, and more!
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We make a stab at assessing the main contenders for this prize.
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Kathy Leuder’s Commercial Crew update to the NASA Advisory Council on 10/31.
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Kathy Lueders, the Program Manager for NASA's Commercial Crew Program, provides an update at the Oct. 30 NAC meeting on the status of Boeing's Starliner and SpaceX's Crew Dragon. The two spacecraft will carry astronauts to the Space Station.
Starlink is a very big deal
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Starlink is a very big deal
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SpaceX team has completed 13 successful tests in a row of upgraded Mark 3 parachutes for Crew Dragon.
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SpaceX team has completed 13 successful tests in a row of upgraded Mark 3 parachutes for Crew Dragon. Most recent test demonstrated the parachute system’s ability to land the spacecraft safely in the unlikely event that one of the four main parachutes fails.…
More details on SpaceX parachute testing, including failures
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SpaceX said Nov. 3 that it has carried out 13 consecutive successful tests of a new Crew Dragon parachute design after overcoming initial problems with it.
Why Does SpaceX Want 40,000 Starlink Satellites in Space?
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Launch Mount for Starship Mk2 being erected at KSC's 39A. https://t.co/otFoI8sYdk
Great work by SpaceX Dragon team & Airborne! To be clear, we’ve only done 1 multi-parachute test of Mk3 design, so 9 more left to reach 10 successful tests in a row.
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The SpaceX Starship is a very big deal
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The SpaceX Starship is a very big deal
Part of my series on common misconceptions in space journalism. SpaceX has been working on some variant of the Big Falcon Rocket for almost a decade, with a publicly announced architecture for thre…
Elon Musk on Twitter: Most Starship spaceports will probably need to be ~20 miles / 30km offshore for acceptable noise levels, especially for frequent daily flights, as would occur for point to point flights on Earth
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@TJ_Cooney That said, most Starship spaceports will probably need to be ~20 miles / 30km offshore for acceptable noise levels, especially for frequent daily flights, as would occur for point to point flights on Earth
SpaceX’s first Falcon 9 launch in months gets a launch date
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SpaceX’s first Falcon 9 launch in months gets a launch date
SpaceX’s first Falcon 9 launch in more than three months finally has a launch date and it looks like the company’s growing fleet is going to attempt to catch (or land) almost every piece of the rocket, a big first for Falcon 9 reusability if SpaceX can pull…
Static fire test of Falcon 9 complete—targeting 11/11 for launch of 60 Starlink satellites from Pad 40 in Florida --- The fairing supporting this mission previously flew on Falcon Heavy’s Arabsat-6A mission
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Static Fire Nov 5, 2019
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