If you arenβt Catholic you shouldnβt be claiming to be a βcrusaderβ, the real crusaders would have killed you for not being Catholic
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Answer: No
πΈUnam Sanctum (1302) -
β‘οΈβFurthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.ββ¬ οΈ
This still holds true to this day. The reason this doesnβt contradict Vatican II is because Pope Boniface VIII never said that ONLY those who know the Catholic Church is true are subject to the Roman Pontiff. A person can be under an authority without even realizing it.
For example if a driver speed down a road, not seeing the "25 mph" sign they can still get a ticket. They are still subject to the law whether they knew it or not.
πΈCouncil of Florence (1431- 1449) -
β‘οΈβIt firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the catholic church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the catholic church before the end of their lives; that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only for those who abide in it do the church's sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia produce eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed his blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and the unity of the catholic church.ββ¬ οΈ
The word βjoinedβ here is key. The Council of Florence does not go into explicit detail on the procedural steps for how one is joined to the Catholic Church. It affirms the necessity of sacramental baptism to become members of the body and be saved, but it doesnβt say that itβs the ONLY way to be united to Christ and His Church.
Florence also doesnβt claim that only those who know the truth of Catholicism are joined to the Church. Someone can be joined to the Church without even realizing it.
Also Florence doesnβt tell us about those who, through no fault of their own, are unaware of the truth of these Catholic teachings and therefore canβt follow them.
We can tell Florence allows for nuance..just look at how it insists on baptizing a child immediately if theyβre near death:
β‘οΈβ..if there is imminent danger of death, the child should be baptized straightaway without any delay, even by a lay man or a woman in the form of the church, if there is no priest, as is contained more fully in the decree on the Armenians.ββ¬ οΈ
A child on the brink of death canβt, through no fault of their own, participate in the Churchβs sacraments, fasting, almsgiving, and so on..especially if theyβre a baby. So itβs clear Florence makes room for exceptions to the norm. And if there are exceptions to the norm, then itβs definitely possible for pagans, schismatics, and Jews who are invincibly ignorant to be saved. However Florence doesnβt answer this for us. It only addresses those who are culpable.
πΈVatican II brings clarity to the teaching of extra ecclesiam nulla salus by showing us that itβs possible for non-Catholics who are invincibly ignorant to be saved:
Lumen Gentium 16 - β‘οΈβThose also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience. Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life.ββ¬ οΈ
Once you recognize what Florence and Unam Sanctam leave out or donβt directly address, youβll see that neither one actually contradicts Vatican II.
πΈThe possibility of Non-Catholics being saved is not a Vatican 2 invention. This is a pre-Vatican 2 teaching:
Pope Pius XII (1943) -
πΈUnam Sanctum (1302) -
β‘οΈβFurthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.ββ¬ οΈ
This still holds true to this day. The reason this doesnβt contradict Vatican II is because Pope Boniface VIII never said that ONLY those who know the Catholic Church is true are subject to the Roman Pontiff. A person can be under an authority without even realizing it.
For example if a driver speed down a road, not seeing the "25 mph" sign they can still get a ticket. They are still subject to the law whether they knew it or not.
πΈCouncil of Florence (1431- 1449) -
β‘οΈβIt firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the catholic church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the catholic church before the end of their lives; that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only for those who abide in it do the church's sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia produce eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed his blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and the unity of the catholic church.ββ¬ οΈ
The word βjoinedβ here is key. The Council of Florence does not go into explicit detail on the procedural steps for how one is joined to the Catholic Church. It affirms the necessity of sacramental baptism to become members of the body and be saved, but it doesnβt say that itβs the ONLY way to be united to Christ and His Church.
Florence also doesnβt claim that only those who know the truth of Catholicism are joined to the Church. Someone can be joined to the Church without even realizing it.
Also Florence doesnβt tell us about those who, through no fault of their own, are unaware of the truth of these Catholic teachings and therefore canβt follow them.
We can tell Florence allows for nuance..just look at how it insists on baptizing a child immediately if theyβre near death:
β‘οΈβ..if there is imminent danger of death, the child should be baptized straightaway without any delay, even by a lay man or a woman in the form of the church, if there is no priest, as is contained more fully in the decree on the Armenians.ββ¬ οΈ
A child on the brink of death canβt, through no fault of their own, participate in the Churchβs sacraments, fasting, almsgiving, and so on..especially if theyβre a baby. So itβs clear Florence makes room for exceptions to the norm. And if there are exceptions to the norm, then itβs definitely possible for pagans, schismatics, and Jews who are invincibly ignorant to be saved. However Florence doesnβt answer this for us. It only addresses those who are culpable.
πΈVatican II brings clarity to the teaching of extra ecclesiam nulla salus by showing us that itβs possible for non-Catholics who are invincibly ignorant to be saved:
Lumen Gentium 16 - β‘οΈβThose also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience. Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life.ββ¬ οΈ
Once you recognize what Florence and Unam Sanctam leave out or donβt directly address, youβll see that neither one actually contradicts Vatican II.
πΈThe possibility of Non-Catholics being saved is not a Vatican 2 invention. This is a pre-Vatican 2 teaching:
Pope Pius XII (1943) -
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βAs you know, Venerable Brethren, from the very beginning of Our Pontificate, We have committed to the protection and guidance of heaven those who do not belong to the visible Body of the Catholic Church, solemnly declaring that after the example of the Good Shepherd We desire nothing more ardently than that they may have life and have it more abundantly. Imploring the prayers of the whole Church We wish to repeat this solemn declaration in this Encyclical Letter in which We have proclaimed the praises of the βgreat and glorious Body of Christβ and from a heart overflowing with love We ask each and every one of them to correspond to the interior movements of grace, and to seek to withdraw from that state in which they cannot be sure of their salvation. For even though by an unconscious desire and longing they have a certain relationship with the Mystical Body of the Redeemer, they still remain deprived of those many heavenly gifts and helps which can only be enjoyed in the Catholic Churchβ (Mystici Corporis 103).
Spirit of Catholicism, Karl Adam pg. 182 (1924) -
βThe Church expressly distinguishes between βformalβ and βmaterialβ heretics. A βformalβ heretic rejects the Church and its teaching absolutely and with full deliberation; a βmaterialβ heretic rejects the Church from lack of knowledge, being influenced by false prejudice or by an anti-Catholic upbringing. St. Augustine forbids us to blame a man for being a heretic because he was born of heretical parents, provided that he does not with obstinate self-assurance shut out all better knowledge, but seeks the truth simply and loyally (Ep. 43,1,1). Whenever the Church has such honest enquirers before her, she remembers that our Lord condemned Pharisaism but not the individual Pharisee, that He held deep and loving intercourse with Nicodemus, and allowed Himself to be invited by Simon.β
Catholic Encyclopedia (1912):
βThis saying (βOutside the Church, no salvationβ) has been the occasion of so many objections that some consideration of its meaning seems desirable. It certainly does not mean that none can be saved except those who are in visible communion with the Church. The Catholic Church has ever taught that nothing else is needed to obtain justification than an act of perfect charity and of contrition. Whoever, under the impulse of actual grace, elicits these acts receives immediately the gift of sanctifying grace, and is numbered among the children of God (s.v. βThe Churchβ).
βShould he die in these dispositions, he will assuredly attain heaven. It is true such acts could not possibly be elicited by one who was aware that God has commanded all to join the Church, and who nevertheless should willfully remain outside her fold. For love of God carries with it the practical desire to fulfill His commandments. But of those who die without visible communion with the Church, not all are guilty of willful disobedience to Godβs commands. Many are kept from the Church by ignorance. Such may be the case of numbers among those who have been brought up in heresy. To others the external means of grace may be unattainable. Thus an excommunicated person may have no opportunity of seeking reconciliation at the last, and yet may repair his faults by inward acts of contrition and charity. It should be observed that those who are thus saved are not entirely outside the pale of the Church. The will to fulfill all Godβs commandments is, and must be, present in all of them. Such a wish implicitly includes the desire for incorporation with the visible Church: for this, though they know it not, has been commanded by God. They thus belong to the Church by desire ([Latin,] voto). Moreover, there is a true sense in which they may be said to be saved through the Church.β
Pope BI. Pius IX (1863) -
βThere are, of course, those who are struggling with invincible ignorance about our most holy religion.
Spirit of Catholicism, Karl Adam pg. 182 (1924) -
βThe Church expressly distinguishes between βformalβ and βmaterialβ heretics. A βformalβ heretic rejects the Church and its teaching absolutely and with full deliberation; a βmaterialβ heretic rejects the Church from lack of knowledge, being influenced by false prejudice or by an anti-Catholic upbringing. St. Augustine forbids us to blame a man for being a heretic because he was born of heretical parents, provided that he does not with obstinate self-assurance shut out all better knowledge, but seeks the truth simply and loyally (Ep. 43,1,1). Whenever the Church has such honest enquirers before her, she remembers that our Lord condemned Pharisaism but not the individual Pharisee, that He held deep and loving intercourse with Nicodemus, and allowed Himself to be invited by Simon.β
Catholic Encyclopedia (1912):
βThis saying (βOutside the Church, no salvationβ) has been the occasion of so many objections that some consideration of its meaning seems desirable. It certainly does not mean that none can be saved except those who are in visible communion with the Church. The Catholic Church has ever taught that nothing else is needed to obtain justification than an act of perfect charity and of contrition. Whoever, under the impulse of actual grace, elicits these acts receives immediately the gift of sanctifying grace, and is numbered among the children of God (s.v. βThe Churchβ).
βShould he die in these dispositions, he will assuredly attain heaven. It is true such acts could not possibly be elicited by one who was aware that God has commanded all to join the Church, and who nevertheless should willfully remain outside her fold. For love of God carries with it the practical desire to fulfill His commandments. But of those who die without visible communion with the Church, not all are guilty of willful disobedience to Godβs commands. Many are kept from the Church by ignorance. Such may be the case of numbers among those who have been brought up in heresy. To others the external means of grace may be unattainable. Thus an excommunicated person may have no opportunity of seeking reconciliation at the last, and yet may repair his faults by inward acts of contrition and charity. It should be observed that those who are thus saved are not entirely outside the pale of the Church. The will to fulfill all Godβs commandments is, and must be, present in all of them. Such a wish implicitly includes the desire for incorporation with the visible Church: for this, though they know it not, has been commanded by God. They thus belong to the Church by desire ([Latin,] voto). Moreover, there is a true sense in which they may be said to be saved through the Church.β
Pope BI. Pius IX (1863) -
βThere are, of course, those who are struggling with invincible ignorance about our most holy religion.
Forwarded from Pure World Truth
Sincerely observing the natural law and its precepts inscribed by God on all hearts and ready to obey God, they live honest lives and are able to attain eternal life by the efficacious virtue of divine light and grace. Because God knows, searches and clearly understands the minds, hearts, thoughts, and nature of all, his supreme kindness and clemency do not permit anyone at all who is not guilty of deliberate sin to suffer eternal punishments.β(Quanto Conficiamur Moerore 7).
Pope BI. Pius IX (1854)
βFor, it must be held by faith that outside the Apostolic Roman Church, no one can be saved; that this is the only ark of salvation; that he who shall not have entered therein will perish in the flood; but, on the other hand, it is necessary to hold for certain that they who labor in ignorance of the true religion, if this ignorance is invincible, are not stained by any guilt in this matter in the eyes of God (Singulari Quademβ; D 1647).
Cardinal Juan de Lugo (1646) -
βHe who is baptized as an infant by heretics, and is brought up by them in false doctrine, when he reaches adulthood, could for some time not be guilty of sin against the Catholic Faith, as long as this had not been proposed to him in a way sufficient to oblige him to embrace it. However, if the Catholic Faith were subsequently proposed to him in a way sufficient to oblige him to embrace it and to abandon errors contrary to it, and he still persisted in his errors, then he would be a hereticβ (De Virtute Fidei Divinae, disp. 20, n. 149, pp. 566β567; cited in Sullivan, op. cit., 97).
St. Augustine (400 AD) -
βWhen we speak of within and without in relation to the Church, it is the position of the heart that we must consider, not of the body. . . . All who are within [the Church] in heart are saved in the unity of the arkβ (On Baptism, Against the Donatists 5:28:39).
St. Thomas Aquinas (1271) -
βWith regard, however, to Cornelius [Acts 10], it is to be observed that he was not an unbeliever, else his works would not have been acceptable to God, whom none can please without faith. Now he had implicit faith, as the truth of the Gospel was not yet made manifest: hence Peter was sent to him to give him fuller instruction.β (S Th. II II q. 10 a. 4 ad)
St. Justin Martyr (155 AD) -
We have been taught that Christ is the first-born of God, and we have declared above that He is the Word [logos] of whom every race of men were partakers (cf. John 1:1β9); and those who lived reasonably [meta logou] are Christians, even though they have been thought atheists; as, among the Greeks, Socrates and Heraclitus, and men like them; and among the barbarians, Abraham, and Ananiah, and Azariah, and Mishael, and Elijah, and many others whose actions and names we now decline to recount, because we know it would be tedious. So that even they who lived before Christ, and lived without reason [aneu logou], were wicked and hostile to Christ, and slew those who lived reasonably [meta logou] (First Apology 46)
Pope BI. Pius IX (1854)
βFor, it must be held by faith that outside the Apostolic Roman Church, no one can be saved; that this is the only ark of salvation; that he who shall not have entered therein will perish in the flood; but, on the other hand, it is necessary to hold for certain that they who labor in ignorance of the true religion, if this ignorance is invincible, are not stained by any guilt in this matter in the eyes of God (Singulari Quademβ; D 1647).
Cardinal Juan de Lugo (1646) -
βHe who is baptized as an infant by heretics, and is brought up by them in false doctrine, when he reaches adulthood, could for some time not be guilty of sin against the Catholic Faith, as long as this had not been proposed to him in a way sufficient to oblige him to embrace it. However, if the Catholic Faith were subsequently proposed to him in a way sufficient to oblige him to embrace it and to abandon errors contrary to it, and he still persisted in his errors, then he would be a hereticβ (De Virtute Fidei Divinae, disp. 20, n. 149, pp. 566β567; cited in Sullivan, op. cit., 97).
St. Augustine (400 AD) -
βWhen we speak of within and without in relation to the Church, it is the position of the heart that we must consider, not of the body. . . . All who are within [the Church] in heart are saved in the unity of the arkβ (On Baptism, Against the Donatists 5:28:39).
St. Thomas Aquinas (1271) -
βWith regard, however, to Cornelius [Acts 10], it is to be observed that he was not an unbeliever, else his works would not have been acceptable to God, whom none can please without faith. Now he had implicit faith, as the truth of the Gospel was not yet made manifest: hence Peter was sent to him to give him fuller instruction.β (S Th. II II q. 10 a. 4 ad)
St. Justin Martyr (155 AD) -
We have been taught that Christ is the first-born of God, and we have declared above that He is the Word [logos] of whom every race of men were partakers (cf. John 1:1β9); and those who lived reasonably [meta logou] are Christians, even though they have been thought atheists; as, among the Greeks, Socrates and Heraclitus, and men like them; and among the barbarians, Abraham, and Ananiah, and Azariah, and Mishael, and Elijah, and many others whose actions and names we now decline to recount, because we know it would be tedious. So that even they who lived before Christ, and lived without reason [aneu logou], were wicked and hostile to Christ, and slew those who lived reasonably [meta logou] (First Apology 46)
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Every secularist libshit atheist that tries to attack the Catholic Church and the Medieval Ages because of muh dark ages are the same people who fell into the trap of believing "Pope Joan" was a real figure
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The Catholic World Order is coming
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16 Rejoice always;
17 pray continually;
18 give thanks in all circumstances; for this is the will of God for you in Christ Jesus.
1 Thessalonians 5:16-18:
17 pray continually;
18 give thanks in all circumstances; for this is the will of God for you in Christ Jesus.
1 Thessalonians 5:16-18:
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Protestante afirma que la catΓ‘strofe de Valencia es un castigo de Dios a EspaΓ±a por ser catΓ³lica.
* Las sectas protestantes creen que los catΓ³licos somos "idΓ³latras", cuando no se asΓ... Los catΓ³licos solamente adoramos a Dios.
* Las sectas protestantes creen que los catΓ³licos somos "idΓ³latras", cuando no se asΓ... Los catΓ³licos solamente adoramos a Dios.
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Prot and Catholic conflicts now: π£οΈ
Prot and Catholic debates then:
Prot and Catholic debates then:
A jew advocating for the mutilation of children? color me shocked
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Protestants having Zero idea that the Bible and their "Muh Sola Scriptura" ideology itself Refutes them πππ . Shown Below you can see Evidence for Intecessory prayers to the Saints... and that also applies to Our Blessed Mother .
Mk 12:26-27
Mk 9:4
Lk 23:43
Rev 6:9-11
Heb 12:1
Lk 16:19-30
Rev 20:4
Wis 3:1-6
Mk 12:26-27
Mk 9:4
Lk 23:43
Rev 6:9-11
Heb 12:1
Lk 16:19-30
Rev 20:4
Wis 3:1-6
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Ironic how Craptists use a character made by a Catholic author to make a meme
Their hypocrisy is beyond belief
Their hypocrisy is beyond belief
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'Jewish paws again? No, never!' Polish anti-Bolshevik and anti-Semetic propaganda from the post-WWI Polish-Soviet War about 'Ε»ydokomuna' or Judeo-Communism suggesting that most Jews collaborated or conspired with the Soviet Union in importing communism into Poland. [1920]
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@r_propagandaposters
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The only good ideologies are the ones rooted in Catholicism
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Like so many other evils, the Christ-killers forged the road that led to Karmelo Anthony
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