Ladies and Gentleman...
I present to you the Norvus Ordo
I present to you the Norvus Ordo
Had a discussion with someone about Mary supposedly being co-redemptrix yesterday so I thought I’d post my thoughts on here too:
You cannot hold this position without saying that although the Apostles merely played a role in distributing the graces of redemption, in helping the work of redemption flourish, and so forth, had nothing to do with the act itself. This also goes for the Apostolic Fathers and Church Fathers in general. Whilst they did not have anything to do with the formal, specific act of redemption itself like Mary, they helped in that sense, and Mary in the sense that she played a crucial role in the mission of redemption and the events leading up to the redemption. In order to be consistent you have to put Mary in the left column before Christ or being in Union with Christ in the act itself, or put her on the right with the Apostles and Fathers.
The Mother of God played a stronger role than the Apostles, of course. I do not deny that. However, she is not to be put on the left side with Christ or instead of Christ. Since Christ alone is the redeemer. The Council of Trent and the Council of Florence are very clear on this. Hence why the title of Mary being the New Eve is actually sufficient, unlike co-redemptrix since it’s a giant loophole in which you have to either: A, address these things, or B, keep arguing in circles and ignoring them.
You can’t can’t give her—not the apostles— that title and ignore the fact that she had nothing to do with the act of redemption itself. The title would cease to be necessary or accurate in any sense, it’s self-contradictory. You can’t argue it without ignoring this. So it just ends up becoming loopy and circular. Redeemer is a word which is synonymous with saviour, Mary had nothing to do with the actual act of Christ redeeming the entire human species. And this title implies that she did help with that, when in reality she only played a crucial role in the events prior; the mission. Not in the ACT. You can’t give her this title and say she didn’t help act in union with Christ to redeem, the title would cease to be itself, so would Mary. She was a helper, as were the apostles. Not a co-‘redeemer.’
It’s exactly like how Eve played a crucial role in the events leading up to the fall, but had nothing to do with the actual act of Adam bringing physical death, suffering, concupiscence, and the absence of sanctifying Grace in infants into the world. Hence the need for Infant Baptism. Romans 5:12 states very clearly that it was directly because of Adam that sin entered into the world, not Eve.
You cannot hold this position without saying that although the Apostles merely played a role in distributing the graces of redemption, in helping the work of redemption flourish, and so forth, had nothing to do with the act itself. This also goes for the Apostolic Fathers and Church Fathers in general. Whilst they did not have anything to do with the formal, specific act of redemption itself like Mary, they helped in that sense, and Mary in the sense that she played a crucial role in the mission of redemption and the events leading up to the redemption. In order to be consistent you have to put Mary in the left column before Christ or being in Union with Christ in the act itself, or put her on the right with the Apostles and Fathers.
The Mother of God played a stronger role than the Apostles, of course. I do not deny that. However, she is not to be put on the left side with Christ or instead of Christ. Since Christ alone is the redeemer. The Council of Trent and the Council of Florence are very clear on this. Hence why the title of Mary being the New Eve is actually sufficient, unlike co-redemptrix since it’s a giant loophole in which you have to either: A, address these things, or B, keep arguing in circles and ignoring them.
You can’t can’t give her—not the apostles— that title and ignore the fact that she had nothing to do with the act of redemption itself. The title would cease to be necessary or accurate in any sense, it’s self-contradictory. You can’t argue it without ignoring this. So it just ends up becoming loopy and circular. Redeemer is a word which is synonymous with saviour, Mary had nothing to do with the actual act of Christ redeeming the entire human species. And this title implies that she did help with that, when in reality she only played a crucial role in the events prior; the mission. Not in the ACT. You can’t give her this title and say she didn’t help act in union with Christ to redeem, the title would cease to be itself, so would Mary. She was a helper, as were the apostles. Not a co-‘redeemer.’
It’s exactly like how Eve played a crucial role in the events leading up to the fall, but had nothing to do with the actual act of Adam bringing physical death, suffering, concupiscence, and the absence of sanctifying Grace in infants into the world. Hence the need for Infant Baptism. Romans 5:12 states very clearly that it was directly because of Adam that sin entered into the world, not Eve.
↟ Modernists Go To Hell ↟
Had a discussion with someone about Mary supposedly being co-redemptrix yesterday so I thought I’d post my thoughts on here too: You cannot hold this position without saying that although the Apostles merely played a role in distributing the graces of redemption…
Once the co-redemptrix position is actually explained it makes sense and I agree with it. Basically leads to them saying she wasn’t a co-redeemer lmao, just the New Eve. St. Alphonsus does this perfectly. It’s simply just a false, unnecessary title given to the Blessed Virgin. You can’t say you believe co-redemptrix then say she wasn’t a co-redeemer 😂😂.
Forwarded from Henry ♰ Reinhart (artist formerly known as Hansel)
Constantinople unironically was justified.
The Crusaders had liberated Constantinople, then the Greeks genocided the Latin speaking population, putting the heads of priests, women and children on spikes, along with a lot of other very barbaric acts. So the Crusaders came back and sacked the city.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_the_Latins
The Crusaders had liberated Constantinople, then the Greeks genocided the Latin speaking population, putting the heads of priests, women and children on spikes, along with a lot of other very barbaric acts. So the Crusaders came back and sacked the city.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_the_Latins
Wikipedia
Massacre of the Latins
1182 massacre of Roman Catholics in Constantinople
Forwarded from Racist Cath
Democracy vs Dictatorship
Forwarded from BELLUM CONTRA HÆRÉTICOS
Indulgenced prayer for the intercession of St. Gabriel of Our Lady of Sorrows
Let us adore and give thanks to God the Father everlasting, who, of the great love He bore us, was pleased to send His only-begotten son into the world to suffer and die on the gibbet of the Cross; and let us beseech Him, for the sake of His Passion and death and by the intercession of Saint Gabriel, that most loving follower of our crucified Lord, to grant us the favour for which we pray [state intention].
Our Father, Hail Mary, Glory be.
Let us adore and give thanks to God the eternal Son, who, becoming man and dying for us upon the Cross, left us Mary most holy to be our Mother; and let us beseech Him, by the merits of this sorrowful Virgin Mother and by the intercession of Saint Gabriel, who was her most devoted servant, to grant us the favour for which we pray [state intention].
Our Father, Hail Mary, Glory be.
Let us adore and give thanks to God the eternal Spirit, who of His infinite goodness communicates Himself to our souls to make them holy; and let us beseech Him, by the merit of the same divine goodness and by the intercession of Saint Gabriel, who in a special manner shared therein and corresponded thereto, to grant us the favour for which we pray [state intention].
Our Father, Hail Mary, Glory be.
℣. Pray for us, Saint Gabriel,
℟. That we may be made worthy of the promises of Christ.
Let us pray.
O God, who didst teach blessed Gabriel to have the sorrows of Thy most dear Mother in perpetual remembrance, and through her didst glorify him with the fame of holiness and miracles; grant unto us, by his intercession and example, so to share the sorrows of Thy Mother that we may be saved by her maternal protection: Who livest and reignest world without end. Amen.
300 days indulgence.
Plenary indulgence, on the usual conditions, if said daily with devotion for a month.
Let us adore and give thanks to God the Father everlasting, who, of the great love He bore us, was pleased to send His only-begotten son into the world to suffer and die on the gibbet of the Cross; and let us beseech Him, for the sake of His Passion and death and by the intercession of Saint Gabriel, that most loving follower of our crucified Lord, to grant us the favour for which we pray [state intention].
Our Father, Hail Mary, Glory be.
Let us adore and give thanks to God the eternal Son, who, becoming man and dying for us upon the Cross, left us Mary most holy to be our Mother; and let us beseech Him, by the merits of this sorrowful Virgin Mother and by the intercession of Saint Gabriel, who was her most devoted servant, to grant us the favour for which we pray [state intention].
Our Father, Hail Mary, Glory be.
Let us adore and give thanks to God the eternal Spirit, who of His infinite goodness communicates Himself to our souls to make them holy; and let us beseech Him, by the merit of the same divine goodness and by the intercession of Saint Gabriel, who in a special manner shared therein and corresponded thereto, to grant us the favour for which we pray [state intention].
Our Father, Hail Mary, Glory be.
℣. Pray for us, Saint Gabriel,
℟. That we may be made worthy of the promises of Christ.
Let us pray.
O God, who didst teach blessed Gabriel to have the sorrows of Thy most dear Mother in perpetual remembrance, and through her didst glorify him with the fame of holiness and miracles; grant unto us, by his intercession and example, so to share the sorrows of Thy Mother that we may be saved by her maternal protection: Who livest and reignest world without end. Amen.
300 days indulgence.
Plenary indulgence, on the usual conditions, if said daily with devotion for a month.
Forwarded from Classical Theist
probably gonna start using this more
Forwarded from Soldiers of the Precious Wounds of Jesus
Charles Maurras : the future of the intelligentsia & For a French Awakening
First reading
First reading
Orthos will squirm uncontrollably when they find out that their very own Saints (Mark of Ephesus and Gregory Palamas - who are both burning in hell) actually taught the Immaculate Conception, despite orthodox claims.
Fr. Christiaan Kappes wrote a great book on this.
Elijah Yasi
Immaculate Conception and Original Sin in East and West Part 2
https://youtu.be/S5dEIqZi5tA
Immaculate Conception and Original Sin in East and West Part 2
https://youtu.be/S5dEIqZi5tA
YouTube
Part 2: All Things Original Sin in the Early Church Fathers
In part two of our series, we delve into what the Catholic Church teaches on original sin and we go into the western and eastern fathers to back up our beliefs.
↟ Modernists Go To Hell ↟
Elijah Yasi Immaculate Conception and Original Sin in East and West Part 2 https://youtu.be/S5dEIqZi5tA
This video is only on Original Sin btw, the last one was specifically on the Immaculate Conception. He said he’ll be doing more shows on the Immaculate Conception so go drop a sub. He’s appeared on Reason and Theology multiple times and is the Eastern Catholic contributor, though only recently has he started his own channel.