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Hal Finney
RPOW - Reusable Proofs of Work
2004
https://t.me/Hal_Finney

@Hal_Finney

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Forwarded from 2008 350 Schnorr Signatures (@RamonQuesada 🌷)
One of the things that annoys me most is that people fall for common logical fallacies such as ad hominem.

Anyone who has the ability to think rationally will not care about the individual but rather the outcome

In politics, people talk about politicians having associations with business and say that this must necessarily be bad. It isn't. As long as the transactions are open there is nothing wrong with a politician who was also a businessman. As long as the bidding process is open, then there is no issue.

In fact, having politicians who are business people used to be the norm and it helps encourage economic reasoning in this group

The same thing occurs in my case and that of others like me.

We can then extend that to false authority, another logical fallacy

People have come to think that individuals are experts merely for longevity in this field. You are never an expert because you've been in the field for a period of time. An expert can develop in a year or may not develop in twenty years. Expertise is not a function of experience alone

Individual such as Antonopoulos or Eric Voorhees are recognised as experts merely because they were around when I launched bitcoin or just afterwards

That's not a foundation of expertise.

Many individuals attack my qualifications - but if you took the time to think about this there is a reason behind those attacks

none of these individuals have qualifications

none of the individuals being referenced as experts in cryptography or cryptographers are qualified in any way as a cryptographer

A cryptographer is not somebody who has worked developing software code.

Although it is possible that a cryptographer good learn to code, it is not essential in any way for a cryptographer to ever code in their life

Not one individual that I've seen referenced as an expert in bitcoin who is noted to be a cryptographer is qualified to be in an introductory role as a cryptographer

And I'm not making the statement idly

And community is irrelevant here

There are no community standards of being a cryptographer

Equally, even Hal Finney was not even a computer scientist let alone a cryptographer.

It is true that he had worked in the early days in the PGP Corporation.

He worked for a cryptographer.

He developed code for a cryptography company

But that does not make him either a computer scientist or a cryptographer

Dan Kaminsky has been called a cryptographer. The guy has had no real experience of cryptography anywhere in his life

Adam back is referenced as both an expert in distributed systems and a cryptographer
He has no basis in either field

Both Antonopoulos and Voorhees were practically or already homeless when they came to bitcoin.

Voorhees was to my knowledge living out of the back of his car. Antonopoulos was effectively unemployable. This is why these individuals are making up a false narrative about expertise. This is why I am such a threat to them.

I will graduate with at least three more degrees this year.

on top of that one or two more postgraduate certificates and diplomas

next year I will graduate with another 8 to 10 degrees

CSW
Apr 30, 2021
https://metanet-icu.slack.com/archives/C5131HKFX/p1619779653352700?thread_ts=1619779653.352700&cid=C5131HKFX
Forwarded from 395 361 Wei Dai - BMoney - prebitcoin (@RamonQuesada 🌷)
"Prof Wrightson knew of Wei Dai, and pointed me towards a paper titled “Knowledge-Based Communication Processes in Building Design” that he knew of because of his work in machine learning. Both Adam Back and Prof Wrightson directed me to Wei Dai. 戴维 turned out to be another cypherpunk, and he was an incredibly helpful one. I used some of his code in the original release of Bitcoin — with his permission. Andreas Furche knew of Hal Finney and Adam Back. So I emailed people. I was researching in 2005, and came to the conclusion that I could build something. By 2007, I was ready to start".

Fully Peer-to-Peer
Craig Wright -
06 Jun 2019
https://craigwright.net/blog/law-regulation/fully-peer-to-peer/
yes, this was in one of the other threads and yes it ignores everything I set about bitcoin

Basically, there were two versions of b-money and the concept of CryptoCredits

CryptoCredits was the internal currency of the proposed blacknet system.

people like Tim and Wei wanted the first version

http://www.weidai.com/bmoney.txt

if you read this, you will see that there is a first and the second protocol

these are not compatible

The first protocol was designed for untraceable money. The second was discarded and never followed up because it allows for traceability, this is what was added into bitcoin to make it bitcoin.

Bitcoin was never designed to be the first protocol

I never intended it to be the first

others including Bear want to system for crypto anarchy, I do not.

and, the thing they don't seem to get is there is a dialectic between bitcoin and they are complete opposites. You cannot modify bitcoin, it only works in the format of the second protocol and this is all that I worked on to make work

the bit that was always missing was the economics of the system

the reality was they were not interested

I don't need to punish people as Wei and others believed, I simply have them as commercial entities.

they want crypto anarchy

I just created a system that uses competing companies

if you read the second protocol you'll see that it's bitcoin minus the economic incentives

https://ia600208.us.archive.org/10/items/cyphernomicon/cyphernomicon.txt

Both Hal and Bear.

And, As usual I missed this

Both of them wanted b-money protocol 1.

Both wanted, not-Bitcoin.

But, I thought Hal knew what he was doing and telling me and I listened, and was foolish enough not to trust myself.

I believed people when they told me Bitcoin was flawed

The truth, it was fine. The flaw was my willingness to listen and not to dogmatically hold onto my original concept tighter.

CSW
Dic 29, 2020
https://metanet-icu.slack.com/archives/C5131HKFX/p1609266408180200

https://t.me/CSW_Slack/2412
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Hal Finney
Hal Finney (May 4, 1956 – August 28, 2014) was a developer for PGP Corporation until it was acquired by Symantec in 2010. PGP, which stands for Pretty Good Privacy, was a popular, freely available cryptography tool developed in the 1990s for use in email and other applications. He was an early contributor for Bitcoin software.

https://gobsv.com/creator
Digital cash redux
Hal Finney ghsvax!hal at uunet.UU.NET
Sat Jan 23 17:29:09 PST 1993

Here is an excerpt from a description of one version of Chaum's digital cash, which I posted on Nov. 25:

https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks-legacy/1993-January/001555.html
No me extraña que Hal estuviera tan interesado en Bitcoin, aquí puedes ver lo que decía 15 años antes de la aparicion del WP en 2008


Digital cash legality...
Hal 74076.1041 at CompuServe.COM
Sat Jan 16 17:48:21 PST 1993

I've continued to try to learn about what laws might restrict the issuing of electronic money.

https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks-legacy/1993-January/001485.html
Crypto trading cards.
Hal 74076.1041 at CompuServe.COM
Sun Jan 17 10:53:24 PST 1993
https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks-legacy/1993-January/001489.html
"So very simple for them, they can claim that Satoshi might be dead. But, that claim comes with counter-attacks. It assumes that Satoshi has no family, nobody who cared for him, and that person was an isolated individual who left no evidence or people in that individual’s life who could know anything about bitcoin. They will claim Hal Finney, but there’s a problem with Hal Finney that can be easily demonstrated in court. Hal Finney wasn’t able to post throughout much of 2010. This was when I was most active as Satoshi online publicly. At times when direct updates were being made, Hal Finney was in an NMRi machine which precludes using a computer, of course."


https://telegra.ph/Why-Satoshi-has-not-come-out-anonymously-By-CSW-08-30

Why Satoshi has not come out anonymously?. By CSW

CSW
Aug 30, 2021
https://metanet-icu.slack.com/archives/C5131HKFX/p1630302195244700?thread_ts=1630302195.244700&cid=C5131HKFX
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https://t.me/CSW_Slack/2935
Reclamarán a Hal Finney, pero hay un problema con Hal Finney que se puede demostrar fácilmente en la corte. Hal Finney no pudo publicar durante gran parte de 2010. Fue entonces cuando estaba más activo como Satoshi en línea públicamente. En momentos en que se estaban realizando actualizaciones directas, Hal Finney estaba en una máquina NMRi que, por supuesto, excluye el uso de una computadora. ¿Por qué Satoshi no ha salido de forma anónima? Por CSW
30 de agosto de 2021

https://es.ramonquesada.com/espanol-es/por-que-satoshi-no-ha-salido-de-forma-anonima-por-csw
Slack - 2019
"Unfortunately I am having trouble fully understanding the system. The paper describes key concepts and some data structures, but does not clearly specify the various rules and verifications that the participants in the system would have to follow

In particular I don't understand exactly what verifications P2P nodes perform when they receive new blocks from other nodes, and how they handle transactions that have been broadcast to them. For example, it is mentioned that if a broadcast transaction does not reach all nodes, it is OK, as it will get into the block chain before long. How does this happen - what if the node that creates the "next" block (the first node to find the hashcash collision) did not hear about the transaction, and then a few more blocks get added also by nodes that did not hear about that transaction? Do all the nodes that did hear it keep that transaction around, hoping to incorporate it into a block once they get lucky enough to be the one which finds the next collision?"

Bitcoin P2P e-cash paper
Hal Finney hal at finney.org
Fri Nov 7 18:40:12 EST 2008

https://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2008-November/014827.html?s=09